Violence Jack
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I refuse to believe this is worse than Jonah Hex. Can't be.
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FANT4STIC 4OUR |OT| Fantastic 4/10
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I refuse to believe this is worse than Jonah Hex. Can't be.
Actually stay close to the comics. Read Hickman's run & you'll get my point.
Plasticine
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Jonah Hex vaguely resembled a movie. This doesn't. Jonah Hex gets that W.
BeautifulA perfect metaphor for the state of Marvel movies this summer:
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I don't know about you guys, but I feel like Marvel Studios won't bother to pick this up, or at least, given them a film on their own.
First, in terms popularity, I wouldn't think they'd be in as much demand to be part of MCU as Spider-Man in regards to the general audience. Note that I said general audience - NOT Marvel fans.
Second, given that this one is set to flop fucking hard if word of mouth has its way from the reviews, it'll take another decade for people to reboot it. By then, the MCU will be in a state where these characters as well as related others Fox has licensed would have missed their opportunity to do any good.
I'd be surprised if they somehow give this iteration another shot with a sequel.
First, in terms popularity, I wouldn't think they'd be in as much demand to be part of MCU as Spider-Man in regards to the general audience. Note that I said general audience - NOT Marvel fans.
Second, given that this one is set to flop fucking hard if word of mouth has its way from the reviews, it'll take another decade for people to reboot it. By then, the MCU will be in a state where these characters as well as related others Fox has licensed would have missed their opportunity to do any good.
I'd be surprised if they somehow give this iteration another shot with a sequel.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I can see why people would wonder whether Fantastic Four can actually be made into a movie, considering the four examples of it we've gotten to this point.
But I'm pretty sure it would make for a damn good TV show.
But I'm pretty sure it would make for a damn good TV show.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
A damn expensive tv show. But I agree that the family dynamic would be fun to see develop over multiple years and episodes.
It shows 7% on Google, but the site isn't updated on my end, yet.
It's not so much the FF that Marvel Studios wants but the associated characters Fox owns along with them (Dr. Doom, Galactus, etc). That's why Marvel tried to give Fox an extension to make their Daredevil reboot in exchange for those characters.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It really seems like that's the best possible way to do it, honestly. I dunno. The FF stories that come to mind as really good are also pretty hard to condense down. They're big, long, sprawling things.
For a Fantastic 4 film to work it needs to be a film about family, exploration, and hope. It's not about radically re-inventing the wheel or making some teen drama with a coat of superhero paint, it needs to be about a family who is so inherently good they are willing to go to any corner of the universe to protect the world. While there is personal conflict and enemies that throw themselves at them regularly, wonder and goofy psudo-science and this idealized group of individuals is what makes them who they are.
E the Shaggy
Junior Member
If you have your writer in an interview saying, "Ugg this is too hard!" maybe hire a different writer to do it? Like fucking hell Fox.
Out of curiosity, I decided to check out what premium theatre ticket sales are looking like for tonight's premiere and tomorrow evening at my nearby Cineplex.
For comparison, most CBM films, be it sequels, reboots, or new IPs were usually already filled to the fucking brim a few days prior to release.
For comparison, most CBM films, be it sequels, reboots, or new IPs were usually already filled to the fucking brim a few days prior to release.
obin_gam
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Nathan_Drake
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This has come full circle now for me. I have mentioned that Doom is my favorite Marvel property and what they have apparently done to him in this film had me pretty disappointed so I of course was not going to support this abomination. But now it sounds so horrible I kind of want to see it. Like that guilty feeling you get when you try to catch a glimpse at a bad car wreck.
On a morality scale how bad is it if I buy a ticket to Mad Max and then walk into Fan 4? ha
Then I can support a good movie but still see the shit one. Is that technically stealing or something? ha I am not really going to do it. Probably.
Edit: 7%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pixels has 18% this cant be real. I think critics are now working together to get it to 4% ha
On a morality scale how bad is it if I buy a ticket to Mad Max and then walk into Fan 4? ha
Then I can support a good movie but still see the shit one. Is that technically stealing or something? ha I am not really going to do it. Probably.
Edit: 7%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pixels has 18% this cant be real. I think critics are now working together to get it to 4% ha
Pai Pai Master
Banned
FF could literally be the entire foundation of so many cool stories in Phase 4. They would absolutely deserve a movie and if done well it would be big enough to serve as one of the pillars of the MCU. Avengers, Guardians, Inhumans and the FF.
But realistically it would work best to introduce them in Avengers or Inhumans.
But realistically it would work best to introduce them in Avengers or Inhumans.
Ant-Man laughing his way all over the box office.
Someone needs to replace Ratings with Box Office.
But damn, that panel...damn son.
E the Shaggy
Junior Member
It's lower than Halle Berry's Catwoman, Elektra, AND Jonah Hex.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
The OT
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Sounds like they basically made him act like a doombot
The Silver
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every Doom we've seen on film has been a malfunctioning Doombot.
Pilgrimzero
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What's funny is this is based on Ultimate F4 where read goes nuts and turns into a villain.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
This is GAF watching that RT score drop
This .gif is so much funnier knowing what they are looking at lol.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Hell I'm all for it. Fold the FF into the MCU by having Miles Teller's Reed kill everyone else and create a dimensional portal and make his way into the proper Marvel universe as a villain. I hated Ultimate FF but I'm glad they're bringing The Maker over. Teller's a good actor and could be a great villain.
E the Shaggy
Junior Member
Oh that Invisible Girl with her raccoon eyes.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
The hell does that even mean
At least one positive out of this wretched film is that love might have blossomed (ala Ben Affleck and Jennifer Gardner in Daredevil).
Kate and Jamie are rumoured to be dating and apparently couldn't keep away from each other in the set. Poor Mr.Fantastic.
Fox has shown once again that it's not that a Fantastic 4 film can't be made, but instead that it doesn't belong under their roof. Fox is trying to fit this franchise in with all of their other cheap grimdark/gritty films and franchises, and it just doesn't work. They don't "get" anything other than explosions and drab scenery and depressing action flicks. It's like trying to fit a triangle into a circular hole.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Again - Fox isn't a person. People are attributing decisions to "Fox" like it's a guy, and the same guy he's always been for the last 15 years.
The people making the movie are well known. They're not "Fox." They're people like Simon Kinberg and Josh Trank and Bryan Singer and Zak Penn
The people making the movie are well known. They're not "Fox." They're people like Simon Kinberg and Josh Trank and Bryan Singer and Zak Penn
Wasn't ready for the big time yet?
Well care about the source for one thing.
I don't think anybody here legitimately believes Fox is a single entity/person
Who are brought on by......? Which company that gives the green light?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Of course they don't. The point is to get people to minimize speaking/thinking about the company as if they are a singular mind making creative decisions on the films being produced.
Basically - everyone knows on some level that "Fox" isn't a guy with the last name of Fox that's forcing a bunch of people to make movies they don't understand. So stop leveling criticisms as if that's the case. It's essentially just another case of me asking people to kinda/sorta know what they're talking about before they start talking. And most people who go at "Fox" (or any major studio) for their films are doing so without any real knowledge of who they're actually talking about, or whether the people they're trying to talk about are even the same people from previous films.
Meanwhile the people directly responsible for the film's fucking up are known, widely known, in fact.
This is kinda pass-the-buck bullshit though, isn't it? You wouldn't blame Miles Teller's parents for his performance, for example. Except in this case, you don't even know who "Fox" is, or how influential they were in the storytelling decisions made by Kinberg & Trank on this picture. You're just kinda/sorta guessing.
They are the single mind / group of minds that keeps green lighting bad projects / putting the wrong people at the helm of these projects, however. They are still a very important cog in the overall process. Fox has been the common denominator now for what has been three bad Fantastic Four movies (and two bad X-Men movies)
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No. They aren't. That's the point.
Besides which, Fantastic Four sucking doesn't negate the fact that Mr. Fox here is (according to this train of thought) equally as responsible for
Days of Future Past
Fault in Our Stars
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
Maze Runner
Gone Girl
Kingsman
Home
Spy
Paper Towns.
So how is that explained? How is this single-minded Fox person able to put into production so many different films with varying qualities? How could they be guaranteed to "not get it" on Fantastic Four but somehow not fuck it up everywhere else?
Maybe because it's not the (unnamed, unknown) executives that are mostly responsible for the actual content of the films, but the creatives who sometimes come through, and sometimes drop the ball regardless the best intentions of everyone involved.
At least one positive out of this wretched film is that love might have blossomed (ala Ben Affleck and Jennifer Gardner in Daredevil).
Kate and Jamie are rumoured to be dating and apparently couldn't keep away from each other in the set. Poor Mr.Fantastic.
Yeah, baby. You can't keep true love apart.
Is that a pun?
Maninthemirror
Banned
There is NO way Fox will allow anyone from this entire movie to come even near X-men
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