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[scy]

What if the testers never beat A4S? D:

Keeping in mind they probably had access to all the food, pots, etc. they needed and wouldn't be surprised if they could request testing specific parts of the fight (e.g., Leg 4 on) or cooldown resets, I'd see them getting it eventually in testing.

I'm more interested in knowing if they really though that was a good, solid fight and a great way to end the tier.

 

[Frumix]

Nisi also effectively prevents healers from doing any reasonable DPS after it's cast if you're at all intending to keep it through every pentacle.

I don't think they actually test the fights in real conditions. They probably just godmode it to see if scripts actually work as intended, but I just don't see them sitting down and clearing the fight as a player would.

As for overgearing, while it's true that the fight is gonna be hella easier in Alexander 2 NM gear, by that point who's even gonna do it? There's probably gonna be i220 primal weapons or something to that effect and that'll be gg for Savage.

 

[Kagari]

*Yoship sits alone in his office in the middle of the night reviewing the data of all the failed clear attempts by the testers*

"This will teach them for calling final coil baby mode content"

*leans back in his chair as he lights his cigarette*

"keikaku doori"

In the end they created a fight that's not very fun for the last one in the tier. T5/T9/T13 were infinitely superior when it comes to actually wanting to get in there and learn/clear the fight.

 

[Sorian]

Nisi also effectively prevents healers from doing any reasonable DPS after it's cast if you're at all intending to keep it through every pentacle.

I don't think they actually test the fights in real conditions. They probably just godmode it to see if scripts actually work as intended, but I just don't see them sitting down and clearing the fight as a player would.

As for overgearing, while it's true that the fight is gonna be hella easier in Alexander 2 NM gear, by that point who's even gonna do it? There's probably gonna be i220 primal weapons or something to that effect and that'll be gg for Savage.

A4S required to do Second Alex Normal.

GG everyone, watch those sub numbers plummet.

 

[iammeiam]

Mounts will keep people coming back for a while, even if it's not the gateway to the next tier.

 

[Kagari]

A4S required to do Second Alex Normal.

GG everyone, watch those sub numbers plummet.

I can't see them doing that... maybe.

 

[Sorian]

I can't see them doing that... maybe.

I would hope they wouldn't be that stupid and they've already prepped everyone by saying something even bigger (4.0 story) will not be gated behind earlier stuff.

But, well, you know how it is, gotta assume the worst.

 

[aceface]

Every time I come to this thread someone makes me sad.

No the song was originally for Bismark but Koji wrote new lyrics when they switched it to Alexander.

 

[Frumix]

I would hope they wouldn't be that stupid and they've already prepped everyone by saying something even bigger (4.0 story) will not be gated behind earlier stuff.

But, well, you know how it is, gotta assume the worst.

No busydeals for the wicked.

 

[Ken]

No the song was originally for Bismark but Koji wrote new lyrics when they switched it to Alexander.

Really? I thought they mentioned to not try making sense of the lyrics in the context of Alexander because they didn't write new lyrics.

 

[Frumix]

Really? I thought they mentioned to not try making sense of the lyrics in the context of Alexander because they didn't write new lyrics.

No, the lyrics were new, but Koji-Fox just didn't put much into it because they had to redo it a couple of times already.

 

[HylianScribe]

Mounts will keep people coming back for a while, even if it's not the gateway to the next tier.

60M on Gilga for A4S clear w/mount. Maybe A4S sales will do well next raid cycle when Ultros can finally sell it.

 

[irfaanator]

60M on Gilga for A4S clear w/mount. Maybe A4S sales will do well next raid cycle when Ultros can finally sell it.

rip

 

[Kagari]

60M on Gilga for A4S clear w/mount. Maybe A4S sales will do well next raid cycle when Ultros can finally sell it.

lol that's insane.

 

[rubius01]

60M on Gilga for A4S clear w/mount. Maybe A4S sales will do well next raid cycle when Ultros can finally sell it.

how much do i have to pay in real $$$ to get that to happen?

 

[HylianScribe]

how much do i have to pay in real $$$ to get that to happen?

Almost as much as you'd pay for a new 3DS (original modesl, not the recently released "New 3DS" models...

A certain site spammed on Ultros all the f-ing time, prices for Gilga:

One of GameStop's few "new" listings for the older 3DS XL model (not new 3DS):

 

[Ken]

Almost as much as you'd pay for a new 3DS...

A4S worth twice as much as T8S then?

 

[rubius01]

Almost as much as you'd pay for a new 3DS...

meh, I'll just wait until 4.0 and get that unsynced lv70 carry....

 

[Demoskinos]

Are those PSN avatars up on the European market place? I've seen a few people on my friends list have them. Still nothing on the North American store. >_<

 

[Tabris]

SE has made "impossible" content before in MMOs.

I don't mind a game like this having "impossible" content when there's more content and that impossible content is worth going back to when it becomes more possible via gear or new strats in later patches.

It's neat having a boss that barely anyone has cleared, except the issue is that boss (or bosses for A3S-A4S) is the only thing to do in the game for a raider.

 

[Sorian]

SE has made "impossible" content before in MMOs.

I stopped reading here and laughed. Probably for the best.

 

[Frumix]

SE has made "impossible" content before in MMOs.

I don't mind a game like this having "impossible" content when there's more content and that impossible content is worth going back to when it becomes more possible via gear or new strats in later patches.

It's neat having a boss that barely anyone has cleared, except the issue is that boss (or bosses for A3S-A4S) is the only thing to do in the game for a raider.

 

[Dangansona]

I am so excited to get back into the game, have been reading up a bunch of patch histories and "what have I missed" guides. I haven't played in almost a year after all! For now I will only get to play for the free login thing since I am going to Germany for the rest of the month, but is there space in the FC for when I return in January? Because I will pay the server transfer fee.

 

[HylianScribe]

A4S worth twice as much as T8S then?

Wouldn't know. You can just go clear it unsynced with pugs, so free?

meh, I'll just wait until 4.0 and get that unsynced lv70 carry....

Also...you'd have to get banned for buying that much GIL I would think. That's an insane amount that would have to raise a red flag to the GMs.

 

[Jayhawk]

A4S worth twice as much as T8S then?

I think words involving the past tense would have increased this reply's effect.

R I P

 

[HylianScribe]

I think words involving the past tense would have increased this reply's effect.

R I P

Qhon is slipping. Dead game taking its toll.

Edit: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/f957c2f9d7625fd16dc92b7002e249cea5d28f65

FELIX! YOU KNOW WHAT MEMORY MUST BE SHARED.

 

[Critical Elk]

Qhon is slipping. Dead game taking its toll.

Edit: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/f957c2f9d7625fd16dc92b7002e249cea5d28f65

FELIX! YOU KNOW WHAT MEMORY MUST BE SHARED.

But there's so many!

"Dear Yoshi, one time at the diadem, in a cave, we made a brachiosaurus...there were no survivors."

 

[Sorian]

But there's so many!

"Dear Yoshi, one time at the diadem, in a cave, we made a brachiosaurus...there were no survivors."

The day that "git gaf'd" transcended ultros.

 

[HylianScribe]

The day that "git gaf'd" transcended ultros.

I'm having a hard time remembering what happened this year and what was last year, so I'll have to go back through my screenshot folder to figure out all that. But the one that stands out the most right now is clearing T13 in DF with Mi'yu, Haman, and Felix's alt as a CNJ in I think one-shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVQJ1I7rEeY

 

[Sorian]

Oh man, the patch was on Wednesday, not Tuesday?

I requested the wrong day off from work cause the link was blocked. Oops!

 

[Aeriscloud]

SE has made "impossible" content before in MMOs.

I don't mind a game like this having "impossible" content when there's more content and that impossible content is worth going back to when it becomes more possible via gear or new strats in later patches.

It's neat having a boss that barely anyone has cleared, except the issue is that boss (or bosses for A3S-A4S) is the only thing to do in the game for a raider.

They've done it again, It's impossible to log in and enjoy.

 

[Haman Karn]

I'm having a hard time remembering what happened this year and what was last year, so I'll have to go back through my screenshot folder to figure out all that. But the one that stands out the most right now is clearing T13 in DF with Mi'yu, Haman, and Felix's alt as a CNJ in I think one-shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVQJ1I7rEeY

This was legendary... Double WAR, CNJ, and LNC in T13 DF!

 

[Frumix]

Oh man, the patch was on Wednesday, not Tuesday?

I requested the wrong day off from work cause the link was blocked. Oops!

wts reading carry

 

[Alric]

Almost as much as you'd pay for a new 3DS (original modesl, not the recently released "New 3DS" models...

A certain site spammed on Ultros all the f-ing time, prices for Gilga:

One of GameStop's few "new" listings for the older 3DS XL model (not new 3DS):

Shit, I always see them spam on Ultros and thought "50000, maybe they mean 50 million or 5 million". Do people really pay $100+ for 50k gil?

 

[Omni]

Shit, I always see them spam on Ultros and thought "50000, maybe they mean 50 million or 5 million". Do people really pay $100+ for 50k gil?

Surely it's not 50k... You can make that in like two hours by doing roulettes. Let alone crafting or whatever else

edit. Oh I didn't see the K after 50,000. That makes more sense, I guess

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Shit, I always see them spam on Ultros and thought "50000, maybe they mean 50 million or 5 million". Do people really pay $100+ for 50k gil?

50,000K gil is uh 50,000,000 gil

 

[Zhao_Yun]

Are those PSN avatars up on the European market place? I've seen a few people on my friends list have them. Still nothing on the North American store. >_<

Yes, I can confirm they are up on the EU store.

 

[Demoskinos]

Yes, I can confirm they are up on the EU store.

Man NA fans keep getting boned. We didn't get the theme either over here. Had to get that on my JP account.

 

[Vilix]

A4S required to do Second Alex Normal.

GG everyone, watch those sub numbers plummet.

I'm assuming you all formed a party to go on a raid. I'm assuming the word 'static' stand for a group of people who regularly come together and do raids. When does the game let you form your own static?

 

[Valor]

I'm assuming you all formed a party to go on a raid. I'm assuming the word 'static' stand for a group of people who regularly come together and do raids. When does the game let you form your own static?

It's more of a meta concept than an in game one if you're thinking it's as such. Typically you only need to form a static for end game content since it is locked on a once-per-week basis in terms of loot and clears, so the same people will run together to clear the content.

I don't think they actually test the fights in real conditions. They probably just godmode it to see if scripts actually work as intended, but I just don't see them sitting down and clearing the fight as a player would.

This is possible. I also assume they give a rudimentary amount of damage they expect each class to output and then tune HP numbers to meet certain theoretical dps checks. That would explain why people struggled mightily to clear A3S early on since the numbers were tuned far too high than what they were capable of doing at the time. It took a couple of pieces of gear to finally get to that number.

I assume they'll give those numbers a bit more slack going forward since now they know the playerbase is nowhere near their expectations for the classes.

 

[scy]

This is possible. I also assume they give a rudimentary amount of damage they expect each class to output and then tune HP numbers to meet certain theoretical dps checks. That would explain why people struggled mightily to clear A3S early on since the numbers were tuned far too high than what they were capable of doing at the time. It took a couple of pieces of gear to finally get to that number.

The first A3S clear came ahead of their proposed schedule, not behind it. A4S came around when they expected with respect to A3S.

 

[Wilsongt]

Predictions on how long it takes someone to get their anima?

 

[Caj814]

Predictions on how long it takes someone to get their anima?

The amount of time it took to get the original relic X

Spoiler

RNG

= Anima

 

[iammeiam]

I assume they'll give those numbers a bit more slack going forward since now they know the playerbase is nowhere near their expectations for the classes.

This narrative bothers me, because it ignores what shows up in most progression streams and what based on Yoshi P's actual A3S advice around 3.1 is really happening: The number of groups that can successfully execute A3S mechanics to see enrage but absolutely cannot meet the DPS requirement to clear is pretty much dwarfed by the number of groups that just cannot do the mechanics consistently enough to survive. Adds wipes aren't a DPS throughput issue. Doubling Sluice and Protean or mispassing Digititis or having HP hit zero during Splashes isn't a DPS issue.

If next tier just lowers the DPS side of things and introduces four fights with A3S approach to mechanics, I will be thrilled because I love that fight, but people that are still wiping pre-enrage will be brick walled again and we'll end up in the same situation. It's why it bugs me that people misinterpret "Guys A3S isn't THAT BAD" as an elitist thing. It's not; far more people are capable of pushing the damage required to clear it than are clearing it, it's just the planning that seems to be tripping people up.

 

[Ken]

Predictions on how long it takes someone to get their anima?

Yesterday.

youarealreadyanima.jpg

 

[Sorian]

Predictions on how long it takes someone to get their anima?

Got my poop socks ready.

 

[SomeRandomWeirdGuy]

I thought the new relic was further off, didn't know it was so soon. What do we know about the catch up mechanic? I was trying to do it now because of the nerfs and because I think the Excalibur looks amazing

Also I saw someone mention that we might need eso for it the new relic. Did the old relics ever require the higher level tomestone? That seems like itd really suck

 

[Ken]

I thought the new relic was further off, didn't know it was so soon. What do we know about the catch up mechanic? I was trying to do it now because of the nerfs and because I think the Excalibur looks amazing

Also I saw someone mention that we might need eso for it the new relic. Did the old relics ever require the higher level tomestone? That seems like itd really suck

The step of actually getting the relic and the first upgrade came together at launch. To upgrade the original relic you needed 900 myth tomestones for an upgrade item (zenith) while people were using it to buy myth gear, the original artifact armor. After that, I believe it always then used the "old" tomestones.

The catch up mechanics of the Zodiac Braves stuff? Off the top of my head:

All RNG drops have significant buffs to drop rate. In the case of the dungeon drops, it's now guaranteed.
Light is now 8x their original values, and a bunch of stuff have moved up a tier in light.
You can do everything unsynced.
All the tomestone items including map exchange are cheaper. Alexandrite maps yield 5 a map.
Books were slightly nerfed in the enemies needed section. Still the worst part though.
All the items and mats needed to be bought with gil still held their price. Rip.

 

[Kagari]

Got my poop socks ready.

Gross.

 

[SomeRandomWeirdGuy]

The step of actually getting the relic and the first upgrade came together at launch. To upgrade the original relic you needed 900 myth tomestones for an upgrade item (zenith) while people were using it to buy myth gear, the original artifact armor. After that, I believe it always then used the "old" tomestones.

The catch up mechanics of the Zodiac Braves stuff? Off the top of my head:

All RNG drops have significant buffs to drop rate. In the case of the dungeon drops, it's now guaranteed.
Light is now 8x their original values, and a bunch of stuff have moved up a tier in light.
You can do everything unsynced.
All the tomestone items including map exchange are cheaper. Alexandrite maps yield 5 a map.
Books were slightly nerfed in the enemies needed section. Still the worst part though.
All the items and mats needed to be bought with gil still held their price. Rip.

I meant more about what does having a zeta get you in the new relic

Also do the maps give 5 Alex for sure or just up to five? And would giving my reliv garbage materia have any effect on the new one?