irfaanator
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wiping on titan hm
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Final Fantasy XIV |OT6| Casino Royale
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wiping on titan hm
tiggerkiddo
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Sounds like I missed out on the fun.
NotMyUsername
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Coloring makes sense. I didn't put together the color of the dot with the general appearance of the gear, heh.
I guess I'll keep my eyes open for converting to materia.
Definitely aren't auto-attacks I'm talking about as they always have some name that comes with the attack. The game seems extremely laggy in general for me as right-clicking on anything takes about 2 seconds for it to react at all. A lot of things have mushy timing and I just assumed it was the general "feel" of the game and that everyone had to wait a couple seconds for right-click stuff (gathering quest items, attacking enemies) to react. But since I'm always getting hit by attacks that I'm moving out of it really must be actual lag. I wonder why it's so bad when I don't experience it in other things online (WoW, browsing, and downloading). My speeds should be good so it doesn't make much sense.
I'll wait until tomorrow until I play more most likely so maybe it's just a hiccup tonight.
EndcatOmega
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Yeah it shouldn't be anywhere near that bad. I'm currently in the middle east and I'm not getting that much latency.
We kept getting tethers to each other. Must be a sign!
EndcatOmega
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I should have gone on that second one but it was already 4:30 XD. What was the loot?
Seeing different brd controller layouts is weird.
retrogamer84
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Man, after my first trip through LoTA went so well the second run was crap. The healers were just ignoring me and the other BRD and then harassing us when we died. It was getting rather annoying by the end, but at least I got the tomes that I wanted. I just hope this is not a new trend of people being jerks in later content.
the_sun_king
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Meanwhile, still in T9, still no Amon's Hat...
Why, game, why?
Why, game, why?
People always run into jerks there, just more so than before unfortunately.
Thanks for seeing the marriage of Moogle and Bird!Hahaha hilarious (and romantic!). Thanks for having us
I love how the Lala legs kept going fast Yo keep up with Krael.
You should have stuck around. Who needs sleep, eggs to shoot.
Fending neck; Sosul got it.
I'm not even going to pretend my layout makes sense.
You're right, but I'm old and only getting 3 hours of sleep is for the younglings.
Btw, the worst part of that bar is no fracture. Fracture is life.
But carries need pro deeps. Only bards are expendable on final coil. I'll try to make my static fail T10 so I can get carried again.
The FC has enough people to do at least two groups of 4 experienced, 4 newbies. It's just a matter of finding people willing to help and having the right roles. I will either gear up my BLM or SMN for these GARF groups.
As for getting T9 clears, my MNK is no bueno. 7 MRD, 1 SCH is the way to go these days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE-jJDSG8E
As for getting T9 clears, my MNK is no bueno. 7 MRD, 1 SCH is the way to go these days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtE-jJDSG8E
I don't understand
My server is awesome
Just happened to me yesterday. Ahh the memories! D:
I'm pretty convinced that no bard has a good controller set up besides myself.
HylianScribe
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Glad the T11 clear happened. I didn't realize how tired I really was until we did T10, so I had a feeling my focus would be gone if I joined the T11 GARF. Probably also didn't help going as WHM for first time so my timing was all out of whack. But also glad we go some people their clear and at least one piece of gear.
EndcatOmega
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This is your crossbar setup, isn't it:
Don't misadvertise, BRD isn't anywhere near the awesomeness of quad Fracture.
So, what are the chances that they'll balance out Warrior, to be a bit more suitable for Main Tanking, come expansion time? I mean, we can do it now, but we have to work for it harder than Paladins have to.
Also I know for a fact that a lot of healers hate healing us Warriors when we're maining.
If they don't balance it out a little, I might have to go Dark Knight, for that reason alone, since Off Tank alone is kinda a niche.
Also I know for a fact that a lot of healers hate healing us Warriors when we're maining.
If they don't balance it out a little, I might have to go Dark Knight, for that reason alone, since Off Tank alone is kinda a niche.
What's wrong with WAR MT?
Pyros_Eien
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Holmgang isn't Hallowed Ground. That's pretty much the only thing I'd think they should work on, probably. Holmgang healing you at the end for a % of the damage you took during it or something of the sort would probably be nice and bridge the gap. Rest of the abilities are kinda balanced I think.
So, what are the chances that they'll balance out Monk, to be a bit more suitable for DPS, come expansion time? I mean, we can do it now, but we have to work for it harder than ranged DPS have to.
Also I know for a fact that a lot of healers hate healing us Monks when we're eating AOEs to keep stacks up.
If they don't balance it out a little, I might have to go Machinist, for that reason alone, since Melee DPS alone is kinda a niche.
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Instead of always complaining about the job or asking for changes to the job to better suit you, how about switching to another job more suitable for you?!
Also I know for a fact that a lot of healers hate healing us Monks when we're eating AOEs to keep stacks up.
If they don't balance it out a little, I might have to go Machinist, for that reason alone, since Melee DPS alone is kinda a niche.
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Instead of always complaining about the job or asking for changes to the job to better suit you, how about switching to another job more suitable for you?!
Not sure if srs.
irfaanator
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you mean when are they gonna balance out any melee dps where mechanics wreck us, and in certain fights we end up doing the same as ranged dps. I just want to not worry about anything while dpsing, is that so much to ask yoship
There was a big discussion on this on Mumble last night. WAR's can MT, but there's a higher margin for error. We're good at picking up adds, and taking a lot of small hits, but for bosses that hit really hard Paladin is generally considered the better choice.
Doesn't need to be a huge change mind you, I don't think the balancing isn't even half as glaring as it was in 2.0, and we do bring a lot of utility to the table. However, we have a lot fewer, "Oh crap!," buttons, and the healing bonus we get in Defiance doesn't quite scale with our additional HP. (Plus, outright mitigation slightly trumps a larger life pool, I'm told.)
Again, wouldn't take much, and Warriors don't need to be, "perfectly," equal with Paladins in that regard.
Doesn't need to be a huge change mind you, I don't think the balancing isn't even half as glaring as it was in 2.0, and we do bring a lot of utility to the table. However, we have a lot fewer, "Oh crap!," buttons, and the healing bonus we get in Defiance doesn't quite scale with our additional HP. (Plus, outright mitigation slightly trumps a larger life pool, I'm told.)
Again, wouldn't take much, and Warriors don't need to be, "perfectly," equal with Paladins in that regard.
It is really unfortunate that classes are intentionally designed to play differently and have variances in difficulty. What do you think this is, yoship? A fighting game?
tiggerkiddo
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Crazy Beast- Prevents any total damage for a total of 7 seconds.
Greatest satire of the day.
Real advice at the end too. I'll never understand how there is so much complaining from one side of a duo to the other (war<->pld, smn<->blm,sch<->whm), etc.). Why complain that your class should be more like the other? If you feel the other one is better: 1) you're probably wrong and 2) just go play that class instead of waiting for SE to care about helping the complainers.
...Bard?
Yes, there is a higher margin for error, that is on purpose. Because if you actually hit that margin correctly, you end up being a better overall MT. It's a trade off, risk/reward.
Your second point is completely backwards, PLD are excellent at tanking a bunch of small hits and adds in general (at least physical ones). They don't have the same level of snap aggro but what aggro they do have is perfectly fine for everything in the game. For main bosses, every big hit comes at predetermined times, which is where WARs excel and lets them surpass PLD at MTing. Yeah, a bad WAR will be worse than a bad PLD, but that's on the player not the design.
Holmgang vs Hallowed is only legit complaint as someone mentioned, though simply allowing you to move if boss is immune would be enough to me.
irfaanator
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guess I was specifically talking about garuda ex from way back. Not as bad now, but I still stand by no mechanics for melee
Six seconds, but yeah, it's an amazing move, but a, "LOT," of our potential mitigation relies on that one move. I'm not saying the class is broken, or even, "horribly," unbalanced, but there is a lot of room for error with that design. Fire it off too early, and it falls off before you take the hit. Fire it off as soon as you see the cast, and depending on the cast you might not get the buff until after you've taken the damage.
Again, not hugely broken, buuuut, relying on that one move for the bulk of your big-hit mitigation is a bit risky. Basically, Warriors have to work harder to MT the same content, so most groups usually opt for PLD MT, and Warrior, OT. That's not horrible or anything, but it'd be nice to be able to switch things up every now and then.
Edit: Just to give people an idea the scale I'm talking about, here's an example of the sort of buffs I'm thinking of.
Inner Beast buff applied at the beginning of the animation, duration increased to 8 Seconds.
Defiance Healing buff increased from 20% to 25%
Here's the problem, most of that discussion was based off bad reasoning and flawed arguments. WAR is the better MT in current design assuming they never miss their timings. The PLD is easier to do (and then Hallowed used in rotation vs Holmgang) but WAR can mitigate damage more often. The biggest "flaw" currently for them outside Holmgang is that Defiance should probably give slightly more bonus healing to actually reflect the eHP difference of Defiance and Shield Oath but that's not really a major thing.
Eh, SMN is really in a pretty bad spot currently. It's essentially treated as a utility DPS ala Bard but without the utility to go with it. Maybe it'll change with Astrologian replacing Scholar in some groups but that's a bad way to give us more utility.
QisTopTier
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Warrior needs more defensive cooldowns or reactionary stuff imo
One of the things that makes PLD so good to begin with and specially back in early 2.0 was the fact they just straight up took less damage on top of having better *easier to manage* defensive cooldowns.
One of the things that makes PLD so good to begin with and specially back in early 2.0 was the fact they just straight up took less damage on top of having better *easier to manage* defensive cooldowns.
Have you considered switching to PLD, because it sounds like you want to play PLD.
You got IB, one of the best defensive cooldowns in the game due to how the game is designed. On a similar note, reactionary cooldowns don't work as well here. All damage is 100% predictable. Unless you want to tie your defense into RNG procs, a real reactionary tank doesn't work as they'd be dead for not having a cooldown up before they can use said cooldown.
I play it now and again, it's definitely a better fit for MT, but it's less fun for me to play. Besides, while the Tank classes share a lot of gear, my PLD weapon generally lags far behind whatever weapon I have equipped for my Warrior.
Besides, Warriors really do feel like the better OT class. Ultimately what I want, is a class that is almost as good in one role as the other. Warrior feels godlike as an OT, but they do have to work a lot harder to match PLD's in the MT position. PLD's are excellent main tanks, but they don't feel as effective in the OT position.
Just saying, if Dark Knights do end up doing well in both positions, and Warriors still feel like a square peg in a round hole as MT, I might consider switching up then.
RIP DRK
This is all just based off the bad assumption of "WAR can't really MT without gimping things." It's not noticeably harder unless you consider knowing a fight well enough to land IB to be a difficult concept. It's not like Warrior's get destroyed by a hit that somehow a Paladin will survive despite the same eHP involved and the cooldowns on the side of Warrior are, for the most part, just as good if not better (Inner Beast > Rampart).
Also, I'd rather OT as a PLD since the damage is higher + better instant snap aggro vs better aggro generation over a few GCDs.
Sounds like you want the superiority of WAR's tank damage/MT abilities while being piss easy to play like PLD. However you "feel" the class is better one or another doesn't change anything, if you really think WAR are that much of an inferior MT then you probably are simply not playing it properly. And if that bothers you, then maybe a switch in main class is in order.
Only thing PLD doesn't bring to OT is damage while actively tanking, in terms of actual mitigation they take far less damage and since OTing usually comes in bursts you often have a ton of crazy good cooldowns you can stack with no penalty. Combined with better not-tanking damage, and I don't know why you think they aren't as effective here. Sounds like you're hung up on old narrative when the actual encounters/skill sets prove it's not the case.
Man I hope they aren't that stupid. They can't be, right?
Right?
Time for the betting pool.
First.
I already put the list off buffs I'd like to see for Warriors up a few comments ago. It's not all that major, and mainly amounts to making life ever so slightly easier for healers, and giving Warriors a tiny bit more leeway for getting Inner Beast up.
(Honestly, the extra two seconds duration might be overkill, especially if Warrior GCD's really do noticeably shrink in the expansion.)
Honestly a part of the problem is perception. I still run into healers and Paladins, that cannot seem to believe that Warriors can MT. So they either never let me into the position at all, begrudgingly do so if the mechanics call for it, or try to minimize the amount of time spent in that position.
That doesn't bother me all, THAT much, it just kinda cuts down my in-game job prospects, so to speak.
I already put the list off buffs I'd like to see for Warriors up a few comments ago. It's not all that major, and mainly amounts to making life ever so slightly easier for healers, and giving Warriors a tiny bit more leeway for getting Inner Beast up.
(Honestly, the extra two seconds duration might be overkill, especially if Warrior GCD's really do noticeably shrink in the expansion.)
Honestly a part of the problem is perception. I still run into healers and Paladins, that cannot seem to believe that Warriors can MT. So they either never let me into the position at all, begrudgingly do so if the mechanics call for it, or try to minimize the amount of time spent in that position.
That doesn't bother me all, THAT much, it just kinda cuts down my in-game job prospects, so to speak.
I guess I have to bet that they are that stupid, otherwise I end up in a lose/lose situation since I plan on playing DRK.
(Help me Yoshi-p, you're my only hope.)
Perhaps it'd help if you stopped propagating that exact same perception yourself? You can't complain it's suddenly other people saying this when you make similar factually wrong claims about this subject all the time. Including on this very page.
I don't think it's entirely misplaced, as I do think it requires more skill to make the best use out of Inner Beast. This likely has created a fair number of Warriors that're fairly bad in the MT position.
Mind you, the buffs I suggested wouldn't really solve this, not entirely anyway. Additionally, any buffs that instantly made the bad Warriors look good in the MT position, would probably make Warriors truly OP in the hands of more competent players.
All the changes you keep proposing are never happening. How about focusing your energy on changes on aspects that you can actually control (i.e., your familiarity with fight mechanic patterns, your self-confidence in being successful in encounters, and caring less about perceptions strangers may or may not have about a job)? You keep finding ways to paint a fresh coat on the same post on a weekly basis to make it seem new. At some point, something has to change in this pattern and that is on you.
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