Kokoloko85
Member
I wanna play mine at midnight. Done the same with Bloodborne, God of War, Flipping Death etc
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Luigi Mario
Member
A much more rigorous example would be this:
Redfall review
Final Fantasy XVI review
Same reviewer of course.
Redfall review
Final Fantasy XVI review
Same reviewer of course.
Balducci30
Member
Well I thought’d be higher - not that it’s bad. I just figured since Zelda and Ragnarok both got mid 90’s scores this would get close - since I personally enjoyed the demo as much or more than both of those games (and I liked those games a lot).
Lokaum D+
Member
A much more rigorous example would be this:
Redfall review
Final Fantasy XVI review
Same reviewer of course.
Varteras
Member
What a clowns.
The review for Redfall was done by Jordan Oloman. Who has only done two reviews for VGC since 2020. He may not even be an employee of VGC. He may be freelance. Jordan Middler and Andy Robinson seem to do the bulk of VGC's reviews of high profile games. Though, one must ask what the review standards are, even if freelance, to have their Redfall review be so much higher than most others. When the game was, objectively, poorly done. I'd be embarrassed that my site's Redfall review, knowing how bad that game is, is being sat next to games like FF16.
Thirty7ven
Banned
A much more rigorous example would be this:
Redfall review
Final Fantasy XVI review
Same reviewer of course.
whatever, the haters can’t stop this train, the game exists, WE EAT
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Varteras
Member
I can't stand Tim Gettys, but he's not the only one I've seen putting that kind of energy into this game.
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saintjules
Gold Member
My store comes through again. Let's begin.
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Bruno_Arrais85
Member
I'm eating big tomorrow
Little Mac
Gold Member
I'm going to wait and see. Was going to buy a PS5 for this but when reviews/impressions state that its "light on rpg elements/mechanics", I was kinda turned off. Are there any good non-spoiler reviews detailing what RPG mechanics are in the game?
Thirty7ven
Banned
Me neither but at least he’s excited about this hobby unlike a bunch of grifters who stepped on this side of media because they couldn’t cut it anywhere else.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
This clown claimed it would be his game of the year before he had even played the final game, or the year was over....lets think about that lol
And he's supposed to be gaming press.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Theres a skill tree and crafting. Thats about it. You’re not managing party members or making many story decisions.
Dr. Claus
Banned
That is selling it short. There is also customization of hte main character through the numerous Eikons you unlock, weild, and the move pool you create and utilize. Much like FF3 and FF5 (as well as the Bravely Series with how you unlock job abiities for use in other jobs). Story decisions are rarely in any JRPG. Ever. And have never been indicative of if a game is/isn't an rpg.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
I mean… a whole lot of people are saying that about Starfield, and that includes media blood.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Thats true with 90% of all JRPGs, even back in Square Soft days.
Lokaum D+
Member
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
From what I've seen so far this one right here is what I refer to ONRRPG. On rail role playing game.
West Texas CEO
GAF's Nicest Lunch Thief and Nosiest Dildo Archeologist
I said 89, so I was close...
Haha there are people who neglected was a Yakuza because the name was “like a dragon” so was a spin-off, when the title is literally the translation of the Japanese name of the series.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Yeah that's bullshit too.
Imagine claiming it's the best ever final fantasy....that's wild....it should be at a 95 metacritic if that's the case...
Better than FFV, VI and IX....wowza
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
Nope. Only way to get Deluxe and Collector Editions.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Thirty7ven
Banned
He’s saying that’s his opinion. We ourselves don’t crown the best game in a series by the metacritic score. That’s just not how it works is it?
I can tell you the demo has better writing than any FF since FF7, it included, which are the ones I’ve played. And it’s not even close, so if you are somebody who likes the gameplay shift and think story is one of the most important if not the most important aspect of a mainline FF? I wouldn’t doubt it.
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Mr Moose
Member
Don't be silly, there's too many white people in it.
ViciousAgenda
Member
Eurogamer can lick my sack.
_g h 0 s t
Neo Member
cash_longfellow
Member
Out of all the damn days, this tree company calls me a bit ago and decides to come remove a tree right outside of my living room window, tomorrow morning at 8am 
Dr. Claus
Banned
Madflavor
Member
Look a 90+ would've been cool to look at, but take a look at these games that all scored in the 85-89 range:
That's to name a few in the past several years.
Point being the vast majority of games, even the great ones, don't manage to crack 90+. Simply put, it takes a looooot of 9s and 10s to keep it above 90. But it only takes a small handful of 6 and 7s to drag it under. Making a game, especially one such as this that takes a lot of risks, had a lot working against it to achieve that 90+. The JRPG genre very rarely sees over a 90+ anyway, and the diversity bullshit guaranteed a few clowns having a chip on their shoulder.
FFXVI could end up 87 or 86 in the end, and still be considered one of the all time greats by fans. Even new comers to the series. Plus the general consensus, even amongst detractors, is that it's one of the best action games made.
So don't let the few detractors get you down. The game is almost out, so enjoy yourselves.
- Nier Automata
- Spiderman PS4
- Dark Souls
- Sekiro
- Doom/Doom Eternal
- Dragon Quest IX
- FFVII Remake
- Devil May Cry 5
That's to name a few in the past several years.
Point being the vast majority of games, even the great ones, don't manage to crack 90+. Simply put, it takes a looooot of 9s and 10s to keep it above 90. But it only takes a small handful of 6 and 7s to drag it under. Making a game, especially one such as this that takes a lot of risks, had a lot working against it to achieve that 90+. The JRPG genre very rarely sees over a 90+ anyway, and the diversity bullshit guaranteed a few clowns having a chip on their shoulder.
FFXVI could end up 87 or 86 in the end, and still be considered one of the all time greats by fans. Even new comers to the series. Plus the general consensus, even amongst detractors, is that it's one of the best action games made.
So don't let the few detractors get you down. The game is almost out, so enjoy yourselves.
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Dick Jones
Gold Member
FFXVI audio and music is a 8/10.A much more rigorous example would be this:
Redfall review
Final Fantasy XVI review
Same reviewer of course.
That's criminal
It's a way of balancing out their guilt over how easy they had it. They think if they fight on behalf of others who cant, it means they are justified in continuing to live their life of extreme comfort - they don't have their own struggles to talk about so they adopt other people's.
They're all fucking idiots, of course.
Lokaum D+
Member
and i stand for what i've said, since u played the game for 12 hours u know that i was right cause i too played the game for 20 hours ( thanks to my local store ) and is a 10/10 for me, the game should had scored higher no doubt.Lokaum D+ so.. about that 95 ”no problem”.
Sorry bro.
On a good side, I’ve played the game for over 12 hours now and it’s a 10 if that matters for you :3
FF16 just didnt achieve a higher score because didnt pander to the "modern sensibility", "forced diversity" that plagues or game industry right now and at the end of the day Tabata was right about the "FF disease" that affect most of the fanbase.
A "Final Fantasy disease" infected Square Enix, says Tabata
Something called the "Final Fantasy disease" has affected Square Enix and lots of fans.
www.vg247.com
"Around that time, I realized that among fans as well, there are people who've caught Final Fantasy disease," he said about some of the negative feedback Final Fantasy 15 had received.
"It refers to people within the company who can't imagine anything other than their own view of Final Fantasy," Tabata elaborated.
"Since the root is a strong self-affirmation, one’s own view of Final Fantasy takes more priority than the team’s success. If that view of Final Fantasy isn't fulfilled, then they’re convinced that it’s bad for Final Fantasy.
"They think, ‘Since Final Fantasy is a special team, then we are also special because we are making it. When the new Final Fantasy comes out, everybody is going to be so into it.’ But that’s not the reality of the situation, is it?"
Tabata added that because of this, he had to tell the development team at one point, "We're not special. Wake up."
"I realized that when Final Fantasy XV news was made public--this wasn't only inside the company. Everyone has FF disease."
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I'm fortunate enough to have weird ass work hours where I go to work at 4am and get off at noon or 1pm, and I'm off Fridays, so I'll have plenty of time to play tomorrow after work and my day off.
Thirty7ven
Banned
and i stand for what i've said, since u played the game for 12 hours u know that i was right cause i too played the game for 20 hours ( thanks to my local store ) and is a 10/10 for me, the game should had scored higher no doubt.
FF16 just didnt achieve a higher score because dindt pander to the "modern sensibility", "forced diversity" that plagues or game industry right now and at the end of the day Tabata was right about the "FF disease" that affect most of the fanbase.
A "Final Fantasy disease" infected Square Enix, says Tabata
Something called the "Final Fantasy disease" has affected Square Enix and lots of fans.
"Around that time, I realized that among fans as well, there are people who've caught Final Fantasy disease," he said about some of the negative feedback Final Fantasy 15 had received.
"It refers to people within the company who can't imagine anything other than their own view of Final Fantasy," Tabata elaborated.
"Since the root is a strong self-affirmation, one’s own view of Final Fantasy takes more priority than the team’s success. If that view of Final Fantasy isn't fulfilled, then they’re convinced that it’s bad for Final Fantasy.
"They think, ‘Since Final Fantasy is a special team, then we are also special because we are making it. When the new Final Fantasy comes out, everybody is going to be so into it.’ But that’s not the reality of the situation, is it?"
Tabata added that because of this, he had to tell the development team at one point, "We're not special. Wake up."
"I realized that when Final Fantasy XV news was made public--this wasn't only inside the company. Everyone has FF disease."
Nautilus about to have a stroke reading that
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
I always thought it would be a stretch for a 90s MC score. The game absolutely looks like a high 80s.
My opinion as to why has to do with the combat system/game design - which is getting mostly praise, but is not THE main reason for its higher scores. No, I am not a turn based hanger-on. As superior as this combat system is to DMC, there's still DMC-DNA in there.
pleaseinsertdisctwo
Member
When it’s a long running series, it is IMPOSSIBLE for people to not have certain expectations. We are human. It is impossible; I don’t care what anyone says. And even Yoshi-P said it himself, that the FF series kind of lost its foundation after Sakaguchi left.and i stand for what i've said, since u played the game for 12 hours u know that i was right cause i too played the game for 20 hours ( thanks to my local store ) and is a 10/10 for me, the game should had scored higher no doubt.
FF16 just didnt achieve a higher score because didnt pander to the "modern sensibility", "forced diversity" that plagues or game industry right now and at the end of the day Tabata was right about the "FF disease" that affect most of the fanbase.
A "Final Fantasy disease" infected Square Enix, says Tabata
Something called the "Final Fantasy disease" has affected Square Enix and lots of fans.
"Around that time, I realized that among fans as well, there are people who've caught Final Fantasy disease," he said about some of the negative feedback Final Fantasy 15 had received.
"It refers to people within the company who can't imagine anything other than their own view of Final Fantasy," Tabata elaborated.
"Since the root is a strong self-affirmation, one’s own view of Final Fantasy takes more priority than the team’s success. If that view of Final Fantasy isn't fulfilled, then they’re convinced that it’s bad for Final Fantasy.
"They think, ‘Since Final Fantasy is a special team, then we are also special because we are making it. When the new Final Fantasy comes out, everybody is going to be so into it.’ But that’s not the reality of the situation, is it?"
Tabata added that because of this, he had to tell the development team at one point, "We're not special. Wake up."
"I realized that when Final Fantasy XV news was made public--this wasn't only inside the company. Everyone has FF disease."
To me, the only FF team that still speaks to me is CBU1, in charge of VII/VIII/X/XIII/VIIR. Their games have the aesthetic and gameplay that I’m looking for with FF and their games still feel like the older era FF’s. Personally. And I respect this team more for coming up with a unique battle system that, despite some flaws, is largely very praised, while respecting traditional elements of prior FF’s. That is the right way to go, IMO.
I’m happy for people who are excited for FFXVI but I can’t shake how utterly Western it feels and I don’t like that at all. The combat being more DMC-like is fine, but it’s the overall product that feels incredibly Western, from the muted color palette, to the more generic-looking fantasy world, to the lack of gorgeous CG cutscenes the series is known for, etc. It’s disappointing to me. Like at this point absolutely nothing is safe when it comes to mainline FF’s. That’s not a good thing. Every entry can be fresh, but just having chocobos, spell names, and some monsters being the same is not nearly enough for a long running franchise. And unlike, say, BOTW/TOTK, XVI doesn’t do anything revolutionary to make up for omitting some beloved series traits; it’s rather derivative, much like the MMO that this team has worked on. But it’s clear that CBU1 is basically Final Fantasy’s “Western-oriented” team that’s inspired by Western media + Matsuno (who is also heavily inspired by Western media).
Also, while Tabata had a point about “FF disease,” he has no room to talk. He made the story and story content/presentation, which is always the the top priority in FF games, the last priority, all for a boring and subpar open world.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And that's SUPER STUPID!
saintjules
Gold Member
So Tim claims his PS5 was overheating and got the warning a number of times, specifically during boss fights. It will be interesting to see if there's multiple reports of this happening with other users.
pleaseinsertdisctwo
Member
When people say “I’m not buying it because it doesn’t have a 90+ MC,” it is the equivalent of a person telling you “I’m just not looking for a relationship.”
They’re not looking for a relationship… with you. They’re not that interested. From footage that they’ve seen, it hasn’t piqued their interest enough to go and get it Day 1. Maybe a high MC average would have swayed them to think “you know what, maybe it’s amazing enough for me to enjoy it even though it doesn’t really speak to me that much.” But the MC average is not high enough to have swayed them.
This narrative of “ugh people are SHEEP for basing their purchases on MC scores!” is hilariously disingenuous.
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DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Yeah I'm in the same boat, except I went ahead and bought the Ps5. So hell with it, ready for tomorrow *rubs hands*.