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Formula 1 2017 Season |OT| Japanese Horror Story - Sundays on Sky
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Nah, thigs were even worse in the past. Just check Andrea Moda, for example, or if you're in desire of an actual professional team, Stewart GP.
I was surprised at how often he lost his nerve while attempting an overtake and in the process braked way too early - especially when just braking normally would have completed the maneuver. Like someone who is unsure of his own ability
Yagami_Sama
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FrankCanada97
Roughly the size of a baaaaaarge
Can't have a DNF, if you don't qualify to begin with.
Maybe all the "he's a crasher" criticism is getting to him. Even though he really only caused one crash with another driver this year, and that was a racing incident.
Well, he had a fame, didn't he? xD
And the fun thing is that they knew the car could run only 14 laps, then it would break. Moreno once managed to get that piece of shit of a car on the grid at Monaco in a miraculous lap on the qualy. He was even applauded by other teams for doing that, but the car broke just after 11 laps at the race.Can't have a DNF, if you don't qualify to begin with.
Jezbollah
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Stewart were a brand new team from the ground up in 1997. That team is now Red Bull.
Everyone has to start from somewhere.
Psychotext
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This is the kind of damage Seb had to drive most of the race with, plus some damage to the underside.
Fair play, the boy knows how to get the most out of a smushed up car.
See Brazil 2012 as well...damn that was almost 5 years ago!
*leaves to yell at cloud*
Bonus: I posted about a swarm of mosquitoes in... friday practice, I think?
Here's the end result...
Damn, bloodbath.
Alonso and Danny at RBR. Max can go chuck a tanty somewhere else.
Is Marko still alive in the alternate reality you're projecting?
Mohonky
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I wonder how long it took you to dig that up.
I don't advocate any team orders except where the team stands to lose something. Did Bottas and Massa drop positions as a result of this incident, I can't recall, but I doubt it.
Perez and Ocon squabbling pulled Perez out of Ric's DRS, meaning only Ocon and Vettel had DRS. Ocon tried to overtake Perez and was blocked, it was that move that enabled Vet to overtake Ocon. With Vettel behind Perez with fresher tyres and DRS, getting past Perez was a formality.
Whether Vettel could have taken either FI in a straight line if both was going as fast as possible and with DRS, they may not have lost 4 or 5th. By allowing the slower driver to lead the way, they almost guaranteed themselves to lose those posititions, and subsequently did.
Context.
Long dead. Webber has taken his place and RBR are using Porsche engines.
apotema
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Man, there's so much salt around Perez. If Hamilton or Dutch Jesus did that you would be screaming "What a driver he is, with passion for victory", even Hulkenberg would be forgiven.
I think he did well, 4th position for Force India is consolidated, he just couldn't risk losing his 4th and 5th with Vettel and Ocon and risking his 7th (almost 6th) place in the Drivers Championship just because they had a potential and somewhat remote chance to achieve a 3rd. And simply, at the end of the race Ocon was trying to pass Perez and he couldn't, it's clear that he would not be able to pass Daniel.
Wasn't a team order like a cancer in Formula 1 for you, guys? What happened now?
Finally, Perez mission this year is to make top teams look at him, this can make or break a move to a top team depending on their vision.
I think he did well, 4th position for Force India is consolidated, he just couldn't risk losing his 4th and 5th with Vettel and Ocon and risking his 7th (almost 6th) place in the Drivers Championship just because they had a potential and somewhat remote chance to achieve a 3rd. And simply, at the end of the race Ocon was trying to pass Perez and he couldn't, it's clear that he would not be able to pass Daniel.
Wasn't a team order like a cancer in Formula 1 for you, guys? What happened now?
Finally, Perez mission this year is to make top teams look at him, this can make or break a move to a top team depending on their vision.
dl77
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I think there's a difference from the bad old days of the late 90's'early 2000's regarding team orders to where we are now - with odd exceptions.
Who can forget Austria 2002 when Barrichello was ordered to give Schumacher 1st place in only the 6th round of the championship or when Coulthard and Hakkinen swapped places in Australia back in '98, the first race of the season! Hell, remember when Renault had Piquet Jr deliberately crash to help Alonso win!
I think there's always been an understanding around team orders that they should be used to benefit either championship. In the past though it's been done where, at that point, it's not affecting either one. I think people understood that Perez letting Ocon through was a case of the team seeing a chance to get more points for the benefit of the constructors championship. In the midfield especially a small handful of points can mean a difference of millions of dollars for the next season.
Who can forget Austria 2002 when Barrichello was ordered to give Schumacher 1st place in only the 6th round of the championship or when Coulthard and Hakkinen swapped places in Australia back in '98, the first race of the season! Hell, remember when Renault had Piquet Jr deliberately crash to help Alonso win!
I think there's always been an understanding around team orders that they should be used to benefit either championship. In the past though it's been done where, at that point, it's not affecting either one. I think people understood that Perez letting Ocon through was a case of the team seeing a chance to get more points for the benefit of the constructors championship. In the midfield especially a small handful of points can mean a difference of millions of dollars for the next season.
Fake news or Wax on suicide watch?
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...aren-decision-to-divorce-honda-has-been-taken
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...aren-decision-to-divorce-honda-has-been-taken
Psychotext
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Hard to see any other option really.
marvelharvey
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Obviously the Honda was too powerful for their chassis.
As a Sauber supporter I can only hope for a higher power pushing for this irony.
I wonder how a Sauber-Honda partnership would/will look like if they are their only customer. I doubt they would pump as much money into Sauber as they have into McLaren. But even half (in addition to free engines) would be huge for Sauber...
dl77
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NEWS JUST IN: MAN WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MCLAREN OR HONDA CONFIRMS SPLIT DUE TO HEARING THAT MCLAREN TEAM ARE UNHAPPY WITH CURRENT STATUS.
How is this even a story?! The man's heard the same as we have on TV and yet it's being spun out as though it's official that they're parting ways.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Why would I be on suicide watch? Honda will still be in F1, I only followed McLaren because Button was associated with them. If this break happens, then In Sabonda I Trust. I just hope they can get a driver that is support worthy.
Alonso retirement in Canada was caused by broken crankshaft:
-went through the floor
-no prior warning
-Honda surprised as this was the first ICE failure of this season not caused by external issues (Spain failure was due to oil pump/tank)
-Alonso didn't show up to post race debriefing in protest
-new ICE in Baku will have updates applied whether small or big, though this can't be classed as the big Spec III update, more like 2.5
JadedWriter
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Please excuse my engine ignorance with this one, but how in the fuck does a crankshaft just randomly go through the motherfucking floor?
Psychotext
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Believe in Honda.
Mohonky
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You're missing the context of the team order. It's already been explained.
As to the final comment on Perez, yes, the only real viable seat is Ferrari if he wants to move up to a big team again and they will look at things like today; if he pulled off that sort of thing at Ferrari he would wake up next to a severed horses head. That is the sort of thing Ferrari would specifically NOT hire you because of, FI might be ok that they scored a 5th and 6th, Ferrari would drag drivers over the coals for letting a driver past both their cars if that driver potentially held the other up and put both cars in the firing line of the opposition.
The Oracle was right yet again.
Now the question is if Red Bull will continue with Renault or jump ship to Honda and do the work to fix their power unit.
Honda.
Now the question is if Red Bull will continue with Renault or jump ship to Honda and do the work to fix their power unit.
Honda.
Psychotext
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What can they do though? Ask everyone else to detune their engines or something?
Graphics Horse
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Retool that old 7% rule for speed traps instead of lap times
Mohonky
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hahaha, no way. Redbull were threatening to leave with an OK engine and they are still bitching with a mostly reliable but not quite Merc or Ferrari spec engine. If they had a Honda they'd have quit already.
Peter Ian Staker
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Not a good idea considering a lot of teams sacrifice straight line speed for more cornering speed by putting more wing.
There is reason it's almost always midfield teams with a downforce deficit that top speed traps.
Imagine one team going nuts on the aero setup to get a crazy straight line speed and disqualify everyone else.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Eddie said McLaren would switch to Mercedes and that Mercedes would pull out of F1 as a team after the 2018 season.
Honda to buy back their old team.
JadedWriter
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"It's a Honda."
"It's a shitbox."
Graphics Horse
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I think it would be quite easy to implement something along those lines even if it wasn't as simple as the lap time cutoff, for example you could base it on deviation from the average. McLarens were 5mph slower than any other team in Canada
xrnzaaas
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They would have a great excuse that they need another 3 years to fit their engine in a brand new car.
Why would Mercedes want to leave F1?
Could see a few reasons: Its way too expensive for one, engines are complex and cost a lot to produce, they could be planning a full works team in Formula E to go in line with the German govt. mandate that all new cars should be electric from 2020 onward, compete with other German manufacturers in Formula E and then have the tech filter down to their road cars.
Then theres the counter points: They have top brand exposure in F1, they have 2 very good drivers and a very promising young driver squad, they are at the top of F1, they receive incentives for participating in F1 (which could be scrapped for all in the future), they've invested heavily into the sport so it wouldn't make sense to stop now
Red Bull wants works status and there's currently only one way to achieve that. I have no doubt they're looking at it as a serious option.
Cost
They've achieved what they set out to do.
F1 is becoming irrelevant for road car production
Would be my guesses.
Yagami_Sama
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Imagine if Mclaren Mercedes, win a race this season.Things would lool even worse for Honda, and imagine if McLaren Mercedes had the same performance as the actual car, would be quite a shame for McLaren. But lets see, I don't think that McLaren performance could be worse than already is.
For some reason I thought that Wax sympathize with McLaren, but his thing is with Honda.
For some reason I thought that Wax sympathize with McLaren, but his thing is with Honda.
Mohonky
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They had works status with Renaul for years, then they pissed it away when they threatened to walk from the sport because it wasnt good enough and they started throwing demands at the FIA trying to force Merc or Ferrari not only to give them engines but they had to get exactly the same engine both teams ran each weekend. Merc and Ferrari politely told them to go fuck themselves on that and by the time they were ready to accept being an engine customer Merc and Ferrari flat out said no.
So in the end Renault came back in and Redbull have an usual agreement where they developed a part of the engine and dropped the Renault label.
They screwed themselves from works status and never stopped complaining and threatening to walk even when what they had was a far more reliable and powerful PU than the Honda unit, why do you think they'll take up a Honda PU that is not just known for being the least powerful on the grid but also does not last even a single race?
Finished watching the Le Mans documentary on Amazon and it was great. Went into the history, the rivalry, the technology and even the human element side of the sport.
I know that Audi has now pulled out of the sport, what was the reasoning behind this?
Also I know this years Le Mans 24hrs is on this weekend, is there a way I can watch it online?
I know that Audi has now pulled out of the sport, what was the reasoning behind this?
Also I know this years Le Mans 24hrs is on this weekend, is there a way I can watch it online?
JadedWriter
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I think Audi pulled out because they were essentially paying to compete with themselves in Porsche. Probably cost Volkswagen a ton of money to fund both teams.
xrnzaaas
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I think it was VAG's idea from the start to eventually have only one manufacturer in LMP1 (both Audi and Porsche are a part of VAG), but dieselgate probably sped things up (they also pulled VW from WRC even though they had a finished car for the next season).
When your parent company VW has to set aside somewhere in the region of EUR 18bn on the back of Dieselgate, some sacrifices have to be made.
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