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[BigAl1992]

Could someone quote the exact rules for staying still before the lights go off, because this seems like another possible flop from the stewards.

https://youtu.be/tken_aR8bD8

Read this post from Nekkid;

Ok, I'll correct myself from the previous page. It's measured based on relative forward motion, says Brundle after having spoken with the stewards, rather than position in the box.

That gif from last page was misleading, though.

Basically, if the Stewards feel the amount of movement going forward in general was negligible enough, it's not considered a Jump start.

 

[nekkid]

Could someone quote the exact rules for staying still before the lights go off, because this seems like another possible flop from the stewards.

https://youtu.be/tken_aR8bD8

This is misleading using an indirect feed. It might even be off-cam. They did the same using the raw FOM feed on SSF1 and the movement occurred at the same frame.

 

[nature boy]

Could someone quote the exact rules for staying still before the lights go off, because this seems like another possible flop from the stewards.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-start-penalty-austria-fia-928763/

However, that did not stop there being some confusion about why they had reached that conclusion, with television footage widely circulated on social media indicating that Bottas' front wheels were moving while the lights were on.

The FIA has explained, however, that some movement before the lights go out is allowed because of the need occasionally for drivers to make adjustments to their clutch in those crucial moments before the start.

Such a system has been in place for 20 years and has been accepted by all competitors.

The FIA deliberately does not disclose what tolerance is allowed before it takes action, for fear that if teams were aware of what was allowed they would start exploiting this to boost their getaways.

An FIA spokesman said that any movement observed on Bottas' car between the five lights being on and them going out was within this allowed limit – which is why the Finn was not deemed to have done anything wrong.

"In today's instance, Valtteri Bottas did not exceed this (very small) limit before the start was given," said the spokesman.

"Simply put: he made an exceptionally accurate and fortuitous judgement call, anticipating the moment the lights went out with great precision.

"Any movement prior to the moment the lights went out was within the tolerances allowed."

 

[McNum]

So it really was a one in a million start. A few miliseconds earlier and it'd have been a jump start, but it turned out, by luck or Jedi reflexes, to be at exactly the right time?

 

[Tortahegeszto]

Thanks for the clarifications.

 

[Graphics Horse]

Good on Seb for not ramming Bottas for jumping the start

 

[Spades]

This is misleading using an indirect feed. It might even be off-cam. They did the same using the raw FOM feed on SSF1 and the movement occurred at the same frame.

I'd buy this more if his rev counter wasn't completely different from one to the other - indicating that his clutch has been disengaged, right?

 

[nekkid]

I'd buy this more if his rev counter wasn't completely different from one to the other - indicating that his clutch has been disengaged, right?

I don't know what to tell you. But that is not what the direct feed analysis showed.

It could be what is posted above, that this wasn't the moment he started moving off the line, but a point at which he was tweaking the clutch.

 

[Line_HTX]

VER needs to break some mirrors and kick a black cat to stop his streak of retirements.

;P

 

[RankoSD]

Good on Seb for not ramming Bottas for jumping the start

He couldn't get alongside to do it.

 

[John_B]

How was Bottas' reaction time measured at 200ms?

 

[Aiii]

How was Bottas' reaction time measured at 200ms?

One of the two million sensors in his car and on the track. Maybe even a couple of them.

 

[John_B]

One of the two million sensors in his car and on the track. Maybe even a couple of them.

That was not a 200ms start though.

 

[Zaru]

I know every year is "Kimi will finally retire" year, but before this weekend and now moreso I was sure that he'll either announce his retirement at Monza or drive until 2020 for some reason.

 

[Lego Boss]

Yeah, Vettel is a total bell-end

 

[Fox Mulder]

So is Kvyat finally fucked for next year. Demoted for similarly hitting Vettel last year and took out Verstappen today.

 

[Business]

Seb probably should have thanked Kimi for sacrificing his race.

Hopefully he acknowledges that in one of the subsequent interviews.

It's sad to see Kimi being used to slow down other cars but the truth is he would have finished in the same position with a more conventional strategy. Hamilton would have undercut or overcut him anyway. Go home and be a family man.

 

[Psychotext]

So it really was a one in a million start. A few miliseconds earlier and it'd have been a jump start, but it turned out, by luck or Jedi reflexes, to be at exactly the right time?

It was luck that it was just over 0.2 seconds, but rules are rules. Ferrari need to move on.

 

[FrankCanada97]

So is Kvyat finally fucked for next year. Demoted for similarly hitting Vettel last year and took out Verstappen today.

Congratulations on your new Toro Rosso seat, Pierre Gasly.

 

[Peter Ian Staker]

Bottlas got really lucky. The lights went out the millisecond he was about to jump the start.

 

[McNum]

It was luck that it was just over 0.2 seconds, but rules are rules. Ferrari need to move on.

Yeah. On both counts. But luck has a place in racing, be it good luck or bad luck. Today Bottas had incredibly good luck with his start. He won't be able to do that again on purpose.

And Ferrari... probably shouldn't speak the loudest about the rules after last race. Keep your horsey head down for a race or two, don't draw attention to Vettel.

 

[sam777]

Not sure why Ferrari or others are complaining about the start. In the end of the day it was the most perfect start that could be achieved, whether it was by luck or not does not matter as he did not jump the start.

 

[Pryce]

What a horrible race. I remember nothing outside of turn one and Hamilton complaining about his rear tires every five laps.

 

[hamchan]

Didn't watch the race but saw my boy Ricciardo get a podium again. Good on the lad.

 

[Shaneus]

So is Kvyat finally fucked for next year. Demoted for similarly hitting Vettel last year and took out Verstappen today.

Not arguing on the incident but they said the clutch on VER's RBR would've gone anywa

Disclaimer: I haven't seen the incident, but heard a Horner interview during the race.

Edit: Just saw it and yeah, KVY should be gone this season I'd think. Too unpredictable.

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

You know it's been an awful race when the last 15 or so laps are spent exclusively watching a pair of cars threatening to overtake each other.

They better not fuck up with the aero rules next year.

 

[sTiTcH AU]

But the threat of an overtake can be just as exciting as the overtake itself. Just look at RIC and Hamilton on the last few laps, quite literally the perfect defence from RIC meant he was able to hold position from an attacking Hamilton and it was fantastic to watch.

If overtaking was super easy, it wouldnt be as exciting IMO. Some tracks have been shit for overtaking and yeah the aero rules this year make it harder to follow but we have still had some great races and overtaking this year.

 

[hamchan]

Time to reuse the same thread title concept for F1 2016 the game for F1 2017 i guess:

"A longer career mode than Daniil Kvyat's"

 

[Topias]

Time to reuse the same thread title concept for F1 2016 the game for F1 2017 i guess:

"A longer career mode than Daniil Kvyat's"

"5 different levels of hard"

 

[Lionel Richie]

What a horrible race. I remember nothing outside of turn one and Hamilton complaining about his rear tires every five laps.

Hamilton has a knack for drama, in my granted limited experience in sports psychology he does that so anything he does out there is perceived as more epic. This is the same strategy long applied by Ben Roethlisberger who every other play pretends to be dying in pain only to come back brand new so people would talk about how tough he is.

 

[Mohonky]

Kind of meh race.

Great drive by Bottas, Ricciardo did well to hang on to 3rd.

Hamilton having one of his bipolar races where he is kind of nowhere, pity about the gearbox penalty.

Kimi did his Ferrari job of being a moving obstacle.

 

[+Aliken+]

Putting all the tolerance thing assigned there is one consideration that bugs me. The length of time that all the lights are on and they go then off is never the same (at least that should be the case) and the idea behind this is that you cannot train yourself to count those "seconds" in your heads so that you start when you think the time is up and not when you see the lights going off.

It is clear that he started before he saw the lights go off. That for me feels like a jump start...

Regarding this tolerance is their a reason why it exists? I am just wondering as there could be a valid reason.

 

[Tempy]

Gasly to replace Buemi for the New York ePrix races.

 

[Blastoise]

Whats the bet that teams start training their drivers to be inside the tolerance window for that extra launch.

 

[Zaru]

Whats the bet that teams start training their drivers to be inside the tolerance window for that extra launch.

You can't. The wait is random. You can't react to that before it happens

 

[dl77]

Regarding this tolerance is their a reason why it exists? I am just wondering as there could be a valid reason.

As mentioned above they allow it because of changes drivers might need to make to their clutch. Although there may be a tiny bit of movement it's not necessarily anything to do with the throttle.

 

[dl77]

Didn't watch the race but saw my boy Ricciardo get a podium again. Good on the lad.

I did laugh when they played his radio after the finish. I've never known someone to be so happy with a 3rd place!

 

[Danielsan]

I did laugh when they played his radio after the finish. I've never known someone to be so happy with a 3rd place!

Well to be fair. When your car should only be good enough for 5th and your team mate's car keeps breaking every race and you've managed to keep Hamilton at bay in the final rounds, you sure as shit can be happy with a podium finish.

 

[dl77]

Well to be fair. When your car should only be good enough for 5th and your team mate's car keeps breaking every race and you've managed to keep Hamilton at bay in the final rounds, you sure as shit can be happy with a podium finish.

Oh yeah, it's not a knock as it was a great result, more just laughing at all the growling sounds.

 

[Hydranockz]

That circuit is such a weird one. Was the F2 race on it that much better?

 

[itsgreen]

Was at the Red Bull grand stand (Max Verstappen orange thing).

What an awesome track!

The Red Bull grand stand is great, you can basically see the entire track. You can only not see the two DRS straights and the penultimate corner.

Also facilities were great. Makes my go-to GP, Spa, look like dirt.

 

[Grug]

Was at the Red Bull grand stand (Max Verstappen orange thing).

How did they react to Max's crash?

 

[Gen.Grievous]

Kind of meh race.

Great drive by Bottas, Ricciardo did well to hang on to 3rd.

Hamilton having one of his bipolar races where he is kind of nowhere, pity about the gearbox penalty.

Kimi did his Ferrari job of being a moving obstacle.

Both Vettel and Hamilton very careful making sure to finish the race. Made it pretty lame except for maybe the last two or three laps.

 

[ramparter]

So he kind of jump started since he didn't wait for the lights to go off but he was in the end within the rules. I'm ok with this. Dont believe it would have really changed the outcome and no I also don't think Vettel would have passed him if he had one more lap.

 

[itsgreen]

How did they react to Max's crash?

A bit defeated, and disbelieve, "jeesz, pff when will it stop."

A few even left after the crash, but the overwhelming majority stayed the entire race, and cheered for Danny.

 

[ramparter]

Come one Red Bull, up your game, I want to see Danny fight for the title!

 

[AndyD]

So it really was a one in a million start. A few miliseconds earlier and it'd have been a jump start, but it turned out, by luck or Jedi reflexes, to be at exactly the right time?

Pretty much. Is it Alonso, or someone else who is excellent at this and has been for years. But if it's not right up front, it usually does not get press.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Honda have got McLaren by the short and curlies

The Bahrainis won't cough up the hefty settlement pay off and Honda management say they won't be initiating a break in relations.

The Beast is coming later this season, and as a bonus I won't have to follow the scrubs at Sauber next season.

 

[Orgun]

Wow what a dull race, can't actually remember anything from it other than the first corner incident.

 

[Business]

That circuit is such a weird one. Was the F2 race on it that much better?

Both F2 races were better but that's not very hard, I would be hard pressed to name a series with worst actual racing than F1, but oh well here we are.