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Formula 1 2017 Season |OT| Japanese Horror Story - Sundays on Sky
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Yes, Jev, finally.
Formula E is quite entertaining, but that calendar makes it hard to care for. Needs to be more regular and/or fully off-season or let seasons run along with normal calendar years.
It was quite entertaining Formula E season 3 and I look forward for Season 4. Which will begin in December
Formula E is quite entertaining, but that calendar makes it hard to care for. Needs to be more regular and/or fully off-season or let seasons run along with normal calendar years.
Season 4 will be more compact: 14 rounds instead of 12, yet 2 months shorter - http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2017/june/more-compact-season-4-calendar-revealed/
scorcher59
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That was a fun race from start to finish, good thing is next season starts end of this year! Will merc and Porsche be in it?
ElectronicOldMen
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Nah, not until the 2019/20 season I believe.
It's not quite there, but that seems a hell of a lot better.
Didn't really follow Formula E, did I get this right? Buemi felt so safe in his championship that he skipped a two-race weekend, which his main title rival used to catch up some good points, and then proceeded to net 0 points in the last two-race weekend, losing the championship without it being close?
Nope. I think the roadmap is something like this:
Season 4 (2017-18)
- Audi to invest more in ABT partnership, name will change to reflect this (audi before abt)
- 20 kW power increase
- BMW invests more, "works team" ran by Andretti
- New chassis
- 30 kW power increase
- McLaren under contract to be new battery supplier, target is to allow single car races.
- Mercedes and Porsche enter their own teams
I'm happy that Di Grassi won it in the end. He's been a great ambassador for the sport.
The Montreal track was good and I hope it will influence the design of the other tracks where possible. Poor track design is still the biggest downside of the series.
Rosenqvist finishing third in his rookie season shows what a good driver he is. Hopefully he will stay in Formula E and not go to IndyCar next season.
The Renault dominance over the course of this season was a bit too much and hopefully the Audi team will be able to compete with them on raw pace next season.
The sport is growing at an incredible rate and I cannot wait until we've got Renault, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche and Maserati all on the same grid.
The Montreal track was good and I hope it will influence the design of the other tracks where possible. Poor track design is still the biggest downside of the series.
Rosenqvist finishing third in his rookie season shows what a good driver he is. Hopefully he will stay in Formula E and not go to IndyCar next season.
The Renault dominance over the course of this season was a bit too much and hopefully the Audi team will be able to compete with them on raw pace next season.
The sport is growing at an incredible rate and I cannot wait until we've got Renault, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Porsche and Maserati all on the same grid.
Fox Mulder
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Kimi's grumpy shit is old and Vettel is a dork with his Egyptian dancing or whatever.
Big name manufacturer teams are one thing, but the quality of the driver grid needs to improve accordingly. Grids consisting of rejects and retirees don't inspire awe.
Fox Mulder
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That should change with all the big manufacturers though. They'll bring in money and maybe even use the seats for great young talent that just can't get a seat in the clogged f1 grid.
DarkJediKnight
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Sorry guys, I missed the race. What is happening here?
StopMakingSense
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Wolff wasn't mad. Hamilton executed the handoff of third back at the end to Bottas very cleanly.
Yagami_Sama
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Raikkonem was suppose to win this. He was faster than Vettel. It is a pity that he second Ferrari driver.
DarkJediKnight
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Why would he do that?
OriginofHysteria
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If Vettel was indeed having issues then he could've easily been overtaken by Hamilton. Kimi served as a good blocker for a struggling car securing a 1-2 for the team. I like Kimi and it sucks he hasn't won anything since 4 years ago but I think Ferrari was making it a lap by lap basis.
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Fox Mulder
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They swapped to see if Hamilton could catch the Ferraris and he gave it back when he couldn't at the end. Bottas fell behind quite a bit and I figured they wouldn't swap back with Verstappen close.
I thought I read somewhere (sorry, can't find the source back) that it was only Hamilton's decision to give his place back to Bottas on the last corner, that Mercedes had said to him several laps before that Bottas was too far behind. But now I see people cheering Mercedes for Hamilton's move, so I'm confused :/ .
aspiegamer
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I think that was cover from the team to make it not look awful if Hamilton had just taken 3rd to try to prevent a potential PR disaster (and honestly, that was quite a gap to hand back in 1 lap), but in the sense of "if Bottas hadn't have let him by, there's a 0% chance Hamilton could ever have passed him so he'd have certainly had 3rd," it was 100% the right thing to do. From a WCC perspective it's the same number of points either way so Hamilton doesn't need to offer any further justification; It keeps morale up, and keeps Bottas happy. That's quite in contrast to how the Ferrari garage must have been at the end of the race, despite the 1-2. At any other track this would have backfired.
I have watched the "suck my balls, honey" clip more than 10 times now. It's not quite "I was having a shit", but it's absolutely excellent.
Magnussen did not have the most impressive season with McLaren, but neither did Perez, and the Vandoorne hype also went away quickly. The Renault of last season was pure shit. Magnussen somehow managed to place it 7th in Russia with a great drive. This year he has been very close to Grosjean and has been quicker in multiple weekends. Still it's a bit hard to place his potential.
You have to also recognize that Grosjean, Hulkenberg and Perez have been around for more than a handful of seasons now. Hulkenberg with only a single pole to show for it. I think Magnussen can reach this level with more experience. He is definitely not a Palmer. And so what if he is defending aggressively? There is a few other drivers that are not a joy to get around, with Verstappen being on the top of that list.
Magnussen did not have the most impressive season with McLaren, but neither did Perez, and the Vandoorne hype also went away quickly. The Renault of last season was pure shit. Magnussen somehow managed to place it 7th in Russia with a great drive. This year he has been very close to Grosjean and has been quicker in multiple weekends. Still it's a bit hard to place his potential.
You have to also recognize that Grosjean, Hulkenberg and Perez have been around for more than a handful of seasons now. Hulkenberg with only a single pole to show for it. I think Magnussen can reach this level with more experience. He is definitely not a Palmer. And so what if he is defending aggressively? There is a few other drivers that are not a joy to get around, with Verstappen being on the top of that list.
Again, if you actually read the last few pages here, a lot of us on here were offering respect to Hamilton specifically for the move. I'm not sure it makes it a sensible decision as far as the WDC is concerned, but it was a classy move nonetheless.
To be fair, between Buemi's meltdown, RIC's middle finger and KMag's ballsucking, along with whatever the fuck issues Vettel has, I feel the FIA should have mandatory counseling for all young drivers and super licenses based on professional evaluation.
I was joking, for those that did not realize.
dl77
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I think there's got to be some kind of discussion within Mercedes as to when it's appropriate to give a place back.
That was very decent of Hamilton to give the place back but very risky given that Verstappen was right behind Bottas.
In reality they've surely now got to put some caveats down for when you have to let your teammate past. Something along the lines of:
That was very decent of Hamilton to give the place back but very risky given that Verstappen was right behind Bottas.
In reality they've surely now got to put some caveats down for when you have to let your teammate past. Something along the lines of:
- If you're allowed to overtake your teammate and their nearest rival is less than 4 seconds behind by the final lap then you don't switch back.
- If you're allowed to overtake and build a 5+ second gap between yourself and your teammate by the final lap you don't revert positions.
The Ferraris played this quite well.
The 1-2 opportunities Lewis had when he was close enough they got Kimi into DRS.
Lewis never really got close enough to try and overtake.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
As I mentioned a while back, I have just gotten back into watching F1 after an 18 year break. Before the Canadian GP this year, the last race I watched was the 1999 Japanese GP. I had the Sky Q UHD box installed recently so I have access to it again, really been enjoying it. I have a few stupid questions/comments if someone doesn't mind indulging my ignorance.
WTF has happened to McLaren? Even their car is fugly nowadays. It seems like their place has been taken by Mercedes, even the car colour! IIRC they had a Mercedes engine when I last watched.
DRS is a little confusing to me, when did they add this? It's been almost 2 decades but I def don't remember the cars having it way back when. I know there are certain zones where it can be activated, does it really give much of a speed boost? Is it just meant to make overtaking easier? Seems a little unfair on the driver in front no?
Is it just me or are pit stops WAY faster and less frequent? They don't even seem to time them anymore. IIRC they used to be 6-8 seconds, now they are 2-3. Also I don't think I have even heard anyone mention a 3 stop strategy once in the last few races. Are they not a thing anymore?
The points system is definitely different to how it was before, and I think it's much better. I'm noticing that it's more exciting when drivers from positions 7-12 actually have something to fight for now.
Saturday was the first time I watched a qualifying round since the 90's. Is the whole elimination thing new? Again I don't remember that being a thing. I assume the point of it is to make it more exciting rather than everything happening right at the end the way it used to be. I thought maybe the point was also to clear the track for the faster drivers at the end? Am I way off here?
WTF has happened to McLaren? Even their car is fugly nowadays. It seems like their place has been taken by Mercedes, even the car colour! IIRC they had a Mercedes engine when I last watched.
DRS is a little confusing to me, when did they add this? It's been almost 2 decades but I def don't remember the cars having it way back when. I know there are certain zones where it can be activated, does it really give much of a speed boost? Is it just meant to make overtaking easier? Seems a little unfair on the driver in front no?
Is it just me or are pit stops WAY faster and less frequent? They don't even seem to time them anymore. IIRC they used to be 6-8 seconds, now they are 2-3. Also I don't think I have even heard anyone mention a 3 stop strategy once in the last few races. Are they not a thing anymore?
The points system is definitely different to how it was before, and I think it's much better. I'm noticing that it's more exciting when drivers from positions 7-12 actually have something to fight for now.
Saturday was the first time I watched a qualifying round since the 90's. Is the whole elimination thing new? Again I don't remember that being a thing. I assume the point of it is to make it more exciting rather than everything happening right at the end the way it used to be. I thought maybe the point was also to clear the track for the faster drivers at the end? Am I way off here?
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- Mclaren is using their 'original' orange color. And yes, their spot on the grid (in front) was literally taken by Mercedes With awful Honda engine they are far behind...
- DRS does work on long straights. Car behind can gain 30+ km/h of top speed compared to car in front - you will see better effect of it in Spa and Monza. But for using it, car must me less than 1 second behind the car in front and this is quite tricky this season due to dirty air effect
- There is no more refueling and tyres are more durable, so pit stops are rapid. Everything over 3.5 seconds is a bad pit stop
- Qualification is divided in three phases and you got the point right. For Q3 only ten fastest cars remain and that means much less traffic
- Mclaren is using their 'original' orange color. And yes, their spot on the grid (in front) was literally taken by Mercedes
With awful Honda engine they are far behind...- DRS does work on long straights. Car behind can gain 30+ km/h of top speed compared to car in front - you will see better effect of it in Spa and Monza. But for using it, car must me less than 1 second behind the car in front and this is quite tricky this season due to dirty air effect
- There is no more refueling and tyres are more durable, so pit stops are rapid. Everything over 3.5 seconds is a bad pit stop
- Qualification is divided in three phases and you got the point right. For Q3 only ten fastest cars remain and that means much less traffic
Drs was introduced in 2010 I think. Aims to promote overtaking. Does increase the speed of the car
Elimination qualifying was introduced in 2006. Makes it more enjoyable I think
Pits are a lot faster and quicker yeah. Primarily cuz refuelling is no longer a thing (someone correct me if I'm wrong but that got kicked out in 2009/2010). They still time them tho from what I've seen
StopMakingSense
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DRS works to counteract the effect of the massive impact of aero on modern car designs, which was preventing passing on/after straights due to the turbulent wake of cars interfering with the speed of cars in back.
dl77
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Does it artificially give the car behind a better chance of overtaking? Yes. Unfortunately with the aero design of modern cars it's very difficult to get within that initial distance that gives you the slipstream. However, cars also have Energy Recovery Systems that give them a bit more speed that they can deploy as and when they want. So there can be a bit more strategy to it than simply deploying DRS.
After last year Pirelli have drastically improved the life of the tires so there are far fewer pit stops that need to be made.
Yes it was to stop the top teams from just leaving their cars in the garage throughout the whole session only to appear in the last 10 minutes, which was very poor for the fans at the track.
this makes sense to me. If you're allowed past and build a big cushion, you clearly have better pace than the sister car so you should be allowed to stay in that position.
Top driver also means nothing when that big name BMW / Maserati is still 1 second per lap slower than a e.g. McL Merc.F1 cars are so specialised and tuned that little things can have big implications. Doesn't matter if you are a big manufactor or elite driver. Sure big manufactor means at least more funds, better R&D etc.
nekkid
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It was an unintentional fuck up. It was careless, but not malicious.
He got a penalty, points and no doubt a talking to after the race. That's enough.
aspiegamer
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I'm legitimately shocked that Verstappen only had 1 penalty point coming into this race. For a guy that still feels rather reckless at times? Yeah.
IndyCar for next year has a new aero setup where 2/3rds of the downforce comes from under the car, which isn't a variable that changes as much while trying to follow closely. Plus, the cars look awesome! Formula E, though it barely reaches speeds where aero matters much, is largely the same. It's the approach F1 needs to take, and the era of preposterously complex front wings needs to be reigned in. TLDR; Spam email Ross Brawn.
You'd have to lengthen the front straight several hundred meters which just isn't going to happen. That's an even more artificial fix than DRS could ever be, I'd argue. Cars should be adapted for the track, and not tracks to satisfy the needs of particular racing series (beyond safety improvements). Tracks that have accelerating final corners 90 degrees or more--basically half of them-- naturally spread the cars out. In Hungary, it's hard to stay within even 1 second through sector 3 which means even a DRS pass is nearly impossible even if a car is a second+ a lap faster around the track overall. I don't know if Hamilton ever got within even half a second of Raikkonen and he might have looked at the inside, what, once? Hungary is an exceptionally nasty example, admittedly. The tyres this year also don't help since the perpetual mission for everyone is to put as little wear on as possible for 1-stop races. If we were doing 2-3 stops it'd allow for more pushing and more pit strategy. This is 100% on Pirelli and the FIA to work out.
IndyCar for next year has a new aero setup where 2/3rds of the downforce comes from under the car, which isn't a variable that changes as much while trying to follow closely. Plus, the cars look awesome! Formula E, though it barely reaches speeds where aero matters much, is largely the same. It's the approach F1 needs to take, and the era of preposterously complex front wings needs to be reigned in. TLDR; Spam email Ross Brawn.
Markitron
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Thanks for the replies guys, that has certainly cleared a few things up.
Seemed like an honest mistake to me, and the penalty cost him a podium finish so I would say he has more than paid for it.
dl77
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Only if he learns from it!
He's a great racer but he needs to stop being so stupid when things don't go his way. It was a stupid mistake that ruined Ricciardo's race and spoiled a potential podium for himself.
His teammate got past, he saw the red mist and thought there was a (non-existent) opportunity to get back past him at the 2nd corner of a 191 mile long race.
dl77
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I know it'll never happen but in an ideal world you need tracks to have places where you can pass without being reliant upon competitors making mistakes.
As someone who thinks it's genuinely good circuit Hungary's like Monaco in that respect, a very good track for the drivers but little more than an expensive procession for spectators unless something goes wrong.
Verstappen now has 3 penalty points, the only other time he got on was in October 2016. He drives aggressively but it's simply not true that he constantly does "stupid things" when things don't go his way. At least not more than any other driver on the field
dl77
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Verstappen now has 3 penalty points, the only other time he got on was in October 2016. He drives aggressively but it's simply not true that he constantly does "stupid things" when things don't go his way. At least not more than any other driver on the field
I didn't just mean when racing. His whole demeanour and attitude when things go wrong is pure petulance.
brotkasten
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Verstappen now has 3 penalty points, the only other time he got on was in October 2016. He drives aggressively but it's simply not true that he constantly does "stupid things" when things don't go his way. At least not more than any other driver on the field
What's funny is that everyone has already moved on, including Ricciardo.
As a lot of people in this thread have said, I found Hamilton's decision really classy, and even as a Ferrari fan, I hope that those 3 points wont matter at the end of the season.
dl77
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http://www.planetf1.com/news/raikkonen-blames-himself-for-p2-finish/
"I can look at what I did yesterday and blame myself for not giving myself a better chance in the race."
"I can look at what I did yesterday and blame myself for not giving myself a better chance in the race."
dl77
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Frankfurter
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Come on now, the VER haters have been waiting since Mexico last year to find something to catch the guy on, let them have their day in the sun
I reckon nature boy did a twirl in his living room yesterday.
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