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Forza 5 Showroom | New cars and details for Forza 5, ongoing reveals
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Long story short, what appears to be a well-modeled car was being criticized because people aren't familiar with how focal length works. People asked them to point out specific issues in the detail that wouldn't be explained by that effect, and they weren't able to, but were still asserting that something was wrong.
"Jeez, look at the terrible modelling on this cat. You just have to line up its eyes and they're different, plus you can see the ears are in the wrong place. Plus the sides are built wrong."
GT5 premium cars are all modelled stunningly, the f40 for example is the best in any video game, while forzas might be one of the worst
obviously the PS2 cars are the most retarded things to ever happen to a racing game, do you seriously not see whats wrong with the forza models, just look at the f40 and compare it to the real car, its an awful, awful model. which is a shame considering how legendary the car is
Long story short, what appears to be a well-modeled car was being criticized because people aren't familiar with how focal length works. People asked them to point out specific issues in the detail that wouldn't be explained by that effect, and they weren't able to, but were still asserting that something was wrong.
"Jeez, look at the terrible modelling on this cat. You just have to line up its eyes and they're different, plus you can see the ears are in the wrong place. Plus the sides are built wrong."
I wasn't going to assume it was deliberate until I saw someone responding to my explanation had removed the link which made it clear what we were looking at.
actually, i quoted your post of comparison pics where you didn't even have the focal length link, that was an entirely different post of yours that i would have had to open up another tab on my iphone, copy and paste, and then risk losing my actual post with my comments in regards to your comparison. I still adressed your argument about focal length, however. I think some of you guys just dont like to read. =p
Either way, this is just deja vu all over again from almost a decade ago. It's actually really tiresome. Honestly guys, i stopped giving a shit about it, i'm still getting the game when i get an xbone. But I will still point out the flaws that i see, considering i actually own an s2000. You guys can be fine the model looking "close" if guys think so, but when the P1 looks fucking amazingly modeled and i have to look at that s2000 model taken from previous forzas, i'm not just gonna stay quiet about it.
We've gone over this, you've barely scratched the surface of Forza 4 based on your prior posts. I don't even need to expose you. You've done a damn good job of that yourself recently.
And I don't have a hatred for GT. I play it every so often. I just prefer Forza.
Focal distance doesn't change the shape of the headlights, or the sideskirts, or the whole downward line of the car. I'm studying film production so don't come to lecture me about focal length. The car has a downward line from the rear wheel to the front, whereas the Forza model is straight from wheel to wheel, and only downwards from the front wheel to the nose, and no, it's not an illusion created by the front suspension being higher.
And it's not the first old inaccurate model we see still inaccurate. The Mini Cooper Works still has that oversized chrome lip around the headlights, and the F40 in the Spa video still looks to be the same old, disproportionate model.
I don't have too much of a problem with the old models still being inaccurate, because at least they have been updated and they look as good as the new models. My problem is that (again) they lied to us, when they said that all the cars that weren't up to AAA standard were ditched and remade, because this isn't true with what we have seen so far.
Long story short, what appears to be a well-modeled car was being criticized because people aren't familiar with how focal length works. People asked them to point out specific issues in the detail that wouldn't be explained by that effect, and they weren't able to, but were still asserting that something was wrong.
"Jeez, look at the terrible modelling on this cat. You just have to line up its eyes and they're different, plus you can see the ears are in the wrong place. Plus the sides are built wrong."
oh lol. are those your pictures? amazing work. i just love it when people broaden the horizon of others in a simple way
i dont get the f40 talk. the car was only visible for a few seconds in the spa video. or is the talk seriously about previous forza games?!
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Badned commented on it too, said it had been improved but still not perfect.
the most enjoyment i got out of forza 4 was racing the AI on private multiplayer, i got bored of the career the same i did forza 3, but i played the shit out of 4..it was a great game
yep
This is all you have to say about your experience with Forza 4? Heh.
what else is there? the best part about 4 was the racing even though the AI was terrible. i have put many hours into 4, but not near as much as the first 2 games. but hey keep thinking i'm some undercover GT spy
eso76
Member
To be honest I'm also a little disappointed by old/inaccurate models (lie, I only care about the F40) returning but more than that, its t10's attitude.
I feel like they are doing a disservice to themselves, by making claims like 'we went back and rescanned old tracks !" then "OK, not all of them". "We remodeled each car from scratch!" then "OK, only the ones we were not happy with". But then you see the f40 and the s2000 (the two models that are constantly being pointed at, and have been for 10 years) being largely the same as before and you understand that t10 didn't remodel anything at all.
Which is fine ! I understand not having the time and resources to waste on redoing old assets.
We ourselves questioned Dan's sanity when he said they were basically trashing all existing assets and starting from scratch.
It wasn't needed, so why lie ?
T10 is one of the best devs out there, they don't need to do this.
Again, I feel theres something wrong with their communication.
They haven't been talking about/showing us the impressive job they (supposedly ) did with the number of tracks and features, but instead have been screaming about stuff they didn't actually do ! so now that they've been caught (cars were not remodeled, models switching still happens, laguna seca wasnt laser scanned..) they are making themselves look like they've been sitting on their asses all the time while hands on and leaks tell us they certainly did not...
So, with that out of the way, when are we getting those juicy news??
I feel like they are doing a disservice to themselves, by making claims like 'we went back and rescanned old tracks !" then "OK, not all of them". "We remodeled each car from scratch!" then "OK, only the ones we were not happy with". But then you see the f40 and the s2000 (the two models that are constantly being pointed at, and have been for 10 years) being largely the same as before and you understand that t10 didn't remodel anything at all.
Which is fine ! I understand not having the time and resources to waste on redoing old assets.
We ourselves questioned Dan's sanity when he said they were basically trashing all existing assets and starting from scratch.
It wasn't needed, so why lie ?
T10 is one of the best devs out there, they don't need to do this.
Again, I feel theres something wrong with their communication.
They haven't been talking about/showing us the impressive job they (supposedly
) did with the number of tracks and features, but instead have been screaming about stuff they didn't actually do ! so now that they've been caught (cars were not remodeled, models switching still happens, laguna seca wasnt laser scanned..) they are making themselves look like they've been sitting on their asses all the time while hands on and leaks tell us they certainly did not...So, with that out of the way, when are we getting those juicy news??
Considering the way focal length changes the shape of eyes, hair, jawline and other features in photography and cinematography, you apparently need to be lectured because you're unaware of important considerations. The exact things you're saying wouldn't be affected are in that category. If you can get a good enough side-by-side to demonstrate the issues in the modeling on the car we're talking about, please do. Like I've said right along, I'm not saying it couldn't have shortcomings; I'm saying I haven't seen it substantiated.
Yeah, I caught that and edited my post when I realized it was the earlier post. My mistake there.
so, how many inaccurate cars it will take to say gt6 is broken?
I want an answer on this.
cause if you are saying that you are able to ...disregard(!!!) 800 fucking boxes with wheels and still enjoy the hell out of the remaining 200 nicely modeled cars inside the same fucking game,
then maybe we shouldnt have to read and discuss the same fucking nagging posts every two-three months, because if you can "excuse" EIGHT HUNDRED BOXES in one game, maybe you can excuse -how many? 3? 5? in another.
you too please! pick up the red brush and show us the problems..
I wanna see that downward slope/line you say is missing, in red!
Bro, I've been here for a long time.....please don't try to lie about your posting history. Please don't.
But back on track, I truly hope the 22b is the same shitty model so you can stop cluttering up the thread. You're a cancer, bruh.
Edit: Wait, sarcastic LOL about the bolded part. That's a pretty standard reply. lol, i'd like a little more detail about how you enjoy the racing in Forza 4. I really would.
But unless you're only time trialling you will see the clown cars around you occasionally*
*when you are lapping them
i have been banned more than once for my posts about GT5's short comings, you clearly didnt see my posts when the whole standard cars thing was announced BUT at least those boxes are accurate, hell the low poly PSP ferrari enzo model is more accurate than the crappy forza one
you only saw one side of my posting history because you only post in forza threads
Bad assumption, my friend. I'm everywhere like a fucking ninja. like a NINJA. Where I choose to post, however, is only in Forza threads.
But unless you're only time trialling you will see the clown cars around you occasionally*
*when you are lapping them
This is true. I guess I should pay attention more to the head lamps in my rear view so i can see if they're modeled correctly.
yes you think very highly of yourself we know that, shame you cant aim a little higher in your choice of favourite cars ay
When you don't have a leg to stand on, your arguments are all over the place. Good god, have a fucking seat.
at least those boxes are accurate,
at least those boxes are accurate,
at least those boxes are accurate,
I had to read three times to comprehend.
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oh wait, here it is:
so, forza's inaccurate models, like the s2000 piece of shit above, are LESS accurate than the "boxes with textures"
come on xana, I expect more from you. there's only one word describing what you say here, and it ends with "boy"
I had to read three times to comprehend.
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oh wait, here it is:
so, forza's inaccurate models, like the s2000 piece of shit above, are LESS accurate than the "boxes with textures"
come on xana, I expect more from you
they have more accurate proportions yes, funny isnt it lol
Ok, so it's the same model as in Forza Horizon? Oh, not that one, huh...Ok, how about Forza 4? Wow, that one isn't even close. How about Forza 3? We're running out of options here. An I'm not referring to the aftermarket parts.
I'm going to save myself the time. You're not worth taking seriously. Saying you "don't give a shit" about something, then going on to lament how upset you are by it, particularly when it's not based on reality, gets you no credit from me.
The eyes have the same shape in those pictures, what changes is the "relative position" on the face.
I'm gonna take a couple of picture and draw some lines and circles to point the inaccuracies in the S2000, but really, is the same old model with AP2 parts instead of AP1. The basic (and inaccurate) shape is still the same.
I'm sorry, but that's the same model in those three pictures. Different lighting, different shaders, even different aftermarket parts, but its the same basic model, as it is in Forza 5. Same inaccuracies as usual. This discussion gets tiring, it seems some people don't see the inaccuracies so easily, but they are there, and this debate has been held countless times since the first Forza game.
I hope this will do, I totally suck at image editing software. Compare with the clean picture to see better what I am pointing at:
Someone posted several pictures from different angles in the previous page where it can be seen that the shape of the headlights is plainly wrong, as it has always been.
Someone posted several pictures from different angles in the previous page where it can be seen that the shape of the headlights is plainly wrong, as it has always been.
the f40 suffers far worse than little errors though
vroooom vrooooom
btw... i hope the standard s2000 is still there. dont like to tune tuned cars.
and there are many cars you can cut in fm and no one will miss them. like the farnbacher racing f430gt and the other f430gt. that can be one gt (branded or not) and folks will give us the liveries anyway.
I hope this will do, I totally suck at image editing software. Compare with the clean picture to see better what I am pointing at:
Someone posted several pictures from different angles in the previous page where it can be seen that the shape of the headlights is plainly wrong, as it has always been.
thank you. so now I know what to look for.
so your circle just before the rear wheel... I had to search, but found what you mean. in that pic there is some plastic shit acting like a ...tire protector? (cause it not aerodynamics).
well, this one below is a oem 2009 cr, and guess what? no plastic shit there!
also, worth looking this OEM car to realise that the car you picked to draw conclusions about parallel lines, is not good.
car definitely not on oem wheels/suspension. check the height clearance inside the wheel arches.
also the lights on that blue OEM car there... they look NOTHING like the downward closed curves you painted...
I think the "awful" forza pic is in details a better reprsentation of an oem s2000 cr than the pic you use for comparison.
eso76
Member
It's not huge mistakes, tbh, but they completely alter the general flow of the car.
It's a few inches, but it's enough to make the car lose all its harmony and balance.
As a result, the real thing is beautiful, the model is ugly and disproportionate
well thats what i mean, its not just that the wing mirrors are shaped wrong, or that the seats are grey when F40s only had red seats, its that the whole car is wonky, it looks more like an MR2 conversion lol
What I tried to show in the circle is that the skirt has a different shape. Hell, in the pic you posted has the shape it's supposed to have, not the one it has in Forza.
The real car follows a downward line from rear to front. That line in Forza is "split" just were the hood begins, has nothing to do with wheels or suspension.
That's why I said that people should look at the "untouched" picture, because I can't draw shit on Paint and I just draw the lines to give an idea, but the headlights have a different shape in Forza. Compare the Forza pic with the one you just posted.
Both are 2009 OEM cars.
nope, the blue pic i posted is closer to f5 pic than comparison pic.
I also posted a OEM yellow one from a different angle previous page. go look at that just to understand.
on the contrary again, the bonnet lines seem way better in forza pic than the comparison pic. you can clearly see dynamic lines from both sides of the bonnet.
compare that to the blue one.
yeah, your draw skills suck, but still you pointed the things you thought wrong.
problem is, I dont see them.
at least, I dont see discrepancy that warrants complaints, let alone "awful", "liers" and the other various things written here today.
The fact that you don't see them doesn't mean that they aren't there. Many people DO see them (this has been brought up on several Forza forums), the same discrepancies that were present in the model since the first Forza. It's the same model, with better shading and lighting, that's all.
About the sideskirt, I said it before: Someone put several pics of an S2000 on the previous page and you can see there how the skirt in Forza is wrong. You say it isn't? Well, it is, I see it, and other people do it as well.
So yeah, they are liers, because they said that they ditched all the cars that weren't up to AAA standard and this isn't true. The first symptom that this was the case was the Mini John Cooper Works from the last week, then the F40 in the Spa video (shows up a few seconds, enough to see that it has the same disproportionate body) and now the S2000. I don't care too much that the models are inaccurate, what bothers me is that they said they redid them and it's not true.
Pharaoh 117
Member
To be honest I'm also a little disappointed by old/inaccurate models (lie, I only care about the F40) returning but more than that, its t10's attitude.
I feel like they are doing a disservice to themselves, by making claims like 'we went back and rescanned old tracks !" then "OK, not all of them". "We remodeled each car from scratch!" then "OK, only the ones we were not happy with". But then you see the f40 and the s2000 (the two models that are constantly being pointed at, and have been for 10 years) being largely the same as before and you understand that t10 didn't remodel anything at all.
Which is fine ! I understand not having the time and resources to waste on redoing old assets.
We ourselves questioned Dan's sanity when he said they were basically trashing all existing assets and starting from scratch.
It wasn't needed, so why lie ?
T10 is one of the best devs out there, they don't need to do this.
Again, I feel theres something wrong with their communication.
They haven't been talking about/showing us the impressive job they (supposedly
So, with that out of the way, when are we getting those juicy news??
That's T10 PR Bullshit® for you my friend.
why are of most the people in this thread ok with it is what i want to know
To be honest I'm also a little disappointed by old/inaccurate models (lie, I only care about the F40) returning but more than that, its t10's attitude.
I feel like they are doing a disservice to themselves, by making claims like 'we went back and rescanned old tracks !" then "OK, not all of them". "We remodeled each car from scratch!" then "OK, only the ones we were not happy with". But then you see the f40 and the s2000 (the two models that are constantly being pointed at, and have been for 10 years) being largely the same as before and you understand that t10 didn't remodel anything at all.
Which is fine ! I understand not having the time and resources to waste on redoing old assets.
We ourselves questioned Dan's sanity when he said they were basically trashing all existing assets and starting from scratch.
It wasn't needed, so why lie ?
T10 is one of the best devs out there, they don't need to do this.
Again, I feel theres something wrong with their communication.
They haven't been talking about/showing us the impressive job they (supposedly
So, with that out of the way, when are we getting those juicy news??
Turn 10 is pretty bold when it comes to PR BS. Half the shit Dan says I can't take seriously. It didn't start with F5 mind. They've been at this for a while, grossly exaggerating all manner of stuff, such as vehicle poly counts for example. Claiming numbers several times higher than they actually were in gameplay in F3 and so on. PR bullshittery, unfortunately, this next gen especially, has become synonymous with Microsoft and evidently a few of its studio's too. This treating gamers/consumers like they're stupid thing has to stop.
They are literally throwing away their goodwill with each silly little lie, gross exaggeration, obfuscation or misinformation campaign.
do not generalize.
the person who thought there was problem with a) mirrors and b) skirt,
said that it was ok after seeing this pic:
so, perhaps you can tell me what is it you are still seeing, because basically its just you.
now, I dont know what the fuck hawk eyes some of you CLAIM to have, so you have noticed from last video there in front for a few secs that they are using "the same shitty f40 model".
my eye abilities do not rank this high up, I am but a simple human, but we will also see the ferrari.
but if the ferrari is as <<awful>> as the s2000 are, then i challenge you guys to show me what the fuck racing games and from what universe do you play,
so you can enjoy yourselves without <<game-breaking>> details or <<game breakers>> like the lights of s2000 (which still look good to me)
so, please go on, enrich my poor-of-awesome-sim-games-life with your knowledge...
buahhaha, ok dude, I missed this at first... so let me refresh our memory here...
are you talking about this car below?
Yep. Look at the chrome surrounding the headlights:
And there's no need to be aggressive. If you can't see that the headlights are different shaped, and that the angle on the low part of the sideskirt is wrong, I don't know what to tell you, but this has been brought up in ForzaCentral and Forzamotorsport.es, so I'm not alone.
Yep. Look at the chrome surrounding the headlights:
so you are calling t10 ..liers, because you think that the mini is not ...AAA quality?
by what fucking standards, may I ask?
what racing sim games you play that make you this arrogant and selective?
I would really like to play those superior games... do they exist?
I am sure that there are a couple more like you.
can you all like, do a grand basher meeting and decide which is that game that you play that its quality makes the forza mini or s2000 not good quality and therefore t10 liers?
then, after you reach conclusion, you please let me know, as racing games are my thing...
I've yet to see an inaccurate model in GT5 (even the standard ones, looking last gen as they do, are accurate), or pCARS, or PGR4, or iRacing, or Simraceway, or Assetto Corsa...
lmao so defensive
so far... you posted valid points. theyve been inadvertently affirmed by the "so what if what you're saying is true" brigade, who cant refute what you're saying. its just annoying I suspect.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
Is there an XB1 related thread I may enter that doesn't for whatever reason just end up in endless bickering about the most asinine stuff?
Its depressing as hell.
Its depressing as hell.