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Forza 5 Showroom | New cars and details for Forza 5, ongoing reveals

benzy

Member
Ok, so it's the same model as in Forza Horizon? Oh, not that one, huh...Ok, how about Forza 4? Wow, that one isn't even close. How about Forza 3? We're running out of options here. An I'm not referring to the aftermarket parts.

I'm going to save myself the time. You're not worth taking seriously. Saying you "don't give a shit" about something, then going on to lament how upset you are by it, particularly when it's not based on reality, gets you no credit from me.

You can't be serious. I don't give a shit as in it's not going to prevent me from buying the game. I only keep talking about it because some of you guys obviously don't see or don't care to see what I'm seeing and I should probably defend my argument. And all of those s2k pics from the different Forza games you posted are all of the same 3D model, excluding different aero parts, as SparksBCN already mentioned. They're just all taken at completely different angles....

so your circle just before the rear wheel... I had to search, but found what you mean. in that pic there is some plastic shit acting like a ...tire protector? (cause it not aerodynamics).
well, this one below is a oem 2009 cr, and guess what? no plastic shit there!
2008_honda_s2000_cr-pic-52445.jpeg

also, worth looking this OEM car to realise that the car you picked to draw conclusions about parallel lines, is not good.
car definitely not on oem wheels/suspension. check the height clearance inside the wheel arches.

also the lights on that blue OEM car there... they look NOTHING like the downward closed curves you painted...

That's because your real pic of the blue s2k is of a completely different angle, the lines of those headlights aren't going to match up. Get another angle that's in the same position of the Forza pic and the headlights will look like how SparksBCN outlined it.

Let me break it down some more, and I'll even use the same stock blue OEM.

s2kkkgkrch.jpg

s2kcompare6gmp9q.jpg


And I'll prove it's not some camera focal length bullshit. If it were true, NONE of the front end of the car would match up considering the angle at which the car is shown.

s2kcompare2-1hur1o.jpg

s2kcompare3-3wqrli.jpg

s2kcompare4fmre4.jpg


If you change the focal length and angle in the Forza shot so that the back and side of the car matches up with the real pic, then the front end of the Forza s2k will be protruding out more; it won't match up with the real thing due to the differing proportions of the modelling. It's the same thing that happened in Forza 1-2-3-4-H

If you guys don't see what me and Sparks is talking about now then I give up explaining.

All this just to prove that the car models, are indeed, not remodelled from scratch...

tumblr_m6ux1dtBXj1radzsro1_r1_500.gif
 

SparksBCN

Neo Member
This is the last post I'm doing regarding this, since p3tran has already told me to go fuck myself, albeit in a sneaky way. This is the S2000 in Forza Horizon:

OPFFdFO.jpg


Same wrong sideskirts as in FM5, clear as day. Now go look at any of the real S2000 pictures posted here and tell me they look the same, in which case I will suggest you pay a visit to an ophtalmologyst.

you really dont get it do you

its not about poly count, its about the proportions, a lot of forzas models are off

I don't know why do you even bother...
 
I don't get why people are so defensive.

That S2000 is wrong. Since FM1. The Mini is still wrong. The F40 too. And I really fear for the 22B, Golf V and so on.

Don't get us wrong. I'm not like "OMG this details are wrong pre-order cancelled" but "They said all cars were AAA quality now, they said they remade wrongfully made cars, and it's not true, why they lie? We always catch them. It was easier to say they were just improved or nothing at all, instead of this."

I'ts funny because we know the Mini Clubman doesn't have the inaccuracy the Works have. The headlights chrome part is perfect on that one, so....why not use that?

Why they use time and money on improving the old and inaccurate Honda S2000 AP1 from FM1, and saying it's a AP2 when it's still the same ruin underneath? Why not to recapture it, like they did with the 997 Turbo (which was an absolute disaster, and in FM4 was about perfect)

Why they didn't focus on details like they also did with the Porsches in FM4? (They added the correct wheels to the 944, added the rear Carrera vinyl to the 911 Carrera RS trunk, and so on) specially when they should be aware of them by now?

I only try to understand. But whatever everybody's opinion on this is, one thing cannot de denied. Those cars are wrong. Are still wrong after all these years, and worse of all, they lied again.

I support Turn10, I'll buy FM5 LCE, I'll buy the Car Pass...but I think it's time to stop this. Details are small, but combined, are a big thing. It's great when you look at a car (specially if you own the real one) and see that nothing has been overlooked, that every bit is there, properly done.

I see people who own a real Camaro Iroc-Z, for example, complain about certain things becuase they are not accurate. The same for lots of cars. I expect Turn 10 to be as passionate as that people is, to care about details as much as them, and the message here seems to be "Look, the car is here. We don't know if we manage to get it right, we did what everyone knows, and we didn't bother to make a simple reserach or ask people for details"

I remember Helios said he sent the bug thread in Forzacentral to the team, I can only hope they really saw it and not thought "Meh, who cares!!" (it would be ironical, since I could say who cares about, for example, adding the proper wheels to the 944 like I said before) I mean, if you can do it right...why not doing it right?

This is not the 90's or the 00's anymore. I mean, cars now show like never before and obviously, mistakes too, with the amount of detail we can see on FM5. It's weird to see all the attention given to engines and trunks, for example, and then screwing up the basics. We're not talking about a screw painted in a incorrect hue of black in the middle of the engine bay, we talk about bigger things, things that any car enthusiast could point out. Maybe not one, but join together 5 or 10 of them, and a big list will come along.

So to sum up...they say they love cars. They modelled the entire car, even things nobody could be bothered. They want realism. They are proud of the graphics, the new materials. They show the carbon fiber, the paint, that BMW rim with swirls on it, all amazingly recreated...and then, they also do this. It's contradictory. If you care about cars, and details, you care about ALL cars and ALL the details. That S2000 being accurate is more important than seeing an immaculate paint finish on it. The bigger things first!
 

Jamesways

Member
So who likes R Class GT cars, huh?
Yeah, those are cool.

Would be great to race some of those around Bathurst or Spa.
Mmm hmm, sure would.

Uh, car model discussion, yeah, I got nothing.


And come on tracks!
Been saying needs more Zandvoort for years.
 
The party has just started...

fdd8c738-3893-4418-aafb-124f0061fc82.jpg


2014-Ford-Fiesta-ST-Photo-2.jpg


The door frame should be all black. But for some reason it shows the car color, and looks weird. I hope this is fixed like the 599 GTO tyres, they can't afford to make new mistakes on new cars...
 

M_A_C

Member
This is the last post I'm doing regarding this, since p3tran has already told me to go fuck myself, albeit in a sneaky way. This is the S2000 in Forza Horizon:

OPFFdFO.jpg


Same wrong sideskirts as in FM5, clear as day. Now go look at any of the real S2000 pictures posted here and tell me they look the same, in which case I will suggest you pay a visit to an ophtalmologyst.



I don't know why do you even bother...

I'm not sure wth is going on but it gives me an excuse to post my S2000. I'm just glad it's in the game, I was getting worried!

CrIB8jz.jpg
 
I don't get why people are so defensive.

That S2000 is wrong. Since FM1. The Mini is still wrong. The F40 too. And I really fear for the 22B, Golf V and so on.

Don't get us wrong. I'm not like "OMG this details are wrong pre-order cancelled" but "They said all cars were AAA quality now, they said they remade wrongfully made cars, and it's not true, why they lie? We always catch them. It was easier to say they were just improved or nothing at all, instead of this."

I'ts funny because we know the Mini Clubman doesn't have the inaccuracy the Works have. The headlights chrome part is perfect on that one, so....why not use that?

Why they use time and money on improving the old and inaccurate Honda S2000 AP1 from FM1, and saying it's a AP2 when it's still the same ruin underneath? Why not to recapture it, like they did with the 997 Turbo (which was an absolute disaster, and in FM4 was about perfect)

Why they didn't focus on details like they also did with the Porsches in FM4? (They added the correct wheels to the 944, added the rear Carrera vinyl to the 911 Carrera RS trunk, and so on) specially when they should be aware of them by now?

I only try to understand. But whatever everybody's opinion on this is, one thing cannot de denied. Those cars are wrong. Are still wrong after all these years, and worse of all, they lied again.

I support Turn10, I'll buy FM5 LCE, I'll buy the Car Pass...but I think it's time to stop this. Details are small, but combined, are a big thing. It's great when you look at a car (specially if you own the real one) and see that nothing has been overlooked, that every bit is there, properly done.

I see people who own a real Camaro Iroc-Z, for example, complain about certain things becuase they are not accurate. The same for lots of cars. I expect Turn 10 to be as passionate as that people is, to care about details as much as them, and the message here seems to be "Look, the car is here. We don't know if we manage to get it right, we did what everyone knows, and we didn't bother to make a simple reserach or ask people for details"

I remember Helios said he sent the bug thread in Forzacentral to the team, I can only hope they really saw it and not thought "Meh, who cares!!" (it would be ironical, since I could say who cares about, for example, adding the proper wheels to the 944 like I said before) I mean, if you can do it right...why not doing it right?

This is not the 90's or the 00's anymore. I mean, cars now show like never before and obviously, mistakes too, with the amount of detail we can see on FM5. It's weird to see all the attention given to engines and trunks, for example, and then screwing up the basics. We're not talking about a screw painted in a incorrect hue of black in the middle of the engine bay, we talk about bigger things, things that any car enthusiast could point out. Maybe not one, but join together 5 or 10 of them, and a big list will come along.

So to sum up...they say they love cars. They modelled the entire car, even things nobody could be bothered. They want realism. They are proud of the graphics, the new materials. They show the carbon fiber, the paint, that BMW rim with swirls on it, all amazingly recreated...and then, they also do this. It's contradictory. If you care about cars, and details, you care about ALL cars and ALL the details. That S2000 being accurate is more important than seeing an immaculate paint finish on it. The bigger things first!

I was going to post something similar but you just nailed it. Great post, mate.
 

nib95

Banned
I don't get why people are so defensive.

That S2000 is wrong. Since FM1. The Mini is still wrong. The F40 too. And I really fear for the 22B, Golf V and so on.

Don't get us wrong. I'm not like "OMG this details are wrong pre-order cancelled" but "They said all cars were AAA quality now, they said they remade wrongfully made cars, and it's not true, why they lie? We always catch them. It was easier to say they were just improved or nothing at all, instead of this."

I'ts funny because we know the Mini Clubman doesn't have the inaccuracy the Works have. The headlights chrome part is perfect on that one, so....why not use that?

Why they use time and money on improving the old and inaccurate Honda S2000 AP1 from FM1, and saying it's a AP2 when it's still the same ruin underneath? Why not to recapture it, like they did with the 997 Turbo (which was an absolute disaster, and in FM4 was about perfect)

Why they didn't focus on details like they also did with the Porsches in FM4? (They added the correct wheels to the 944, added the rear Carrera vinyl to the 911 Carrera RS trunk, and so on) specially when they should be aware of them by now?

I only try to understand. But whatever everybody's opinion on this is, one thing cannot de denied. Those cars are wrong. Are still wrong after all these years, and worse of all, they lied again.

I support Turn10, I'll buy FM5 LCE, I'll buy the Car Pass...but I think it's time to stop this. Details are small, but combined, are a big thing. It's great when you look at a car (specially if you own the real one) and see that nothing has been overlooked, that every bit is there, properly done.

I see people who own a real Camaro Iroc-Z, for example, complain about certain things becuase they are not accurate. The same for lots of cars. I expect Turn 10 to be as passionate as that people is, to care about details as much as them, and the message here seems to be "Look, the car is here. We don't know if we manage to get it right, we did what everyone knows, and we didn't bother to make a simple reserach or ask people for details"

I remember Helios said he sent the bug thread in Forzacentral to the team, I can only hope they really saw it and not thought "Meh, who cares!!" (it would be ironical, since I could say who cares about, for example, adding the proper wheels to the 944 like I said before) I mean, if you can do it right...why not doing it right?

This is not the 90's or the 00's anymore. I mean, cars now show like never before and obviously, mistakes too, with the amount of detail we can see on FM5. It's weird to see all the attention given to engines and trunks, for example, and then screwing up the basics. We're not talking about a screw painted in a incorrect hue of black in the middle of the engine bay, we talk about bigger things, things that any car enthusiast could point out. Maybe not one, but join together 5 or 10 of them, and a big list will come along.

So to sum up...they say they love cars. They modelled the entire car, even things nobody could be bothered. They want realism. They are proud of the graphics, the new materials. They show the carbon fiber, the paint, that BMW rim with swirls on it, all amazingly recreated...and then, they also do this. It's contradictory. If you care about cars, and details, you care about ALL cars and ALL the details. That S2000 being accurate is more important than seeing an immaculate paint finish on it. The bigger things first!

Great post. But to play devils advocate, I'd rather the less accurate models be in the game than not. My only thing is, don't tell us every track is laser scanned or every car model has been re-modelled or whatever when they obviously haven't. It's just disingenuous. Obviously these are small nit picks, but they do make you question the credibility of Turn 10, and whether you can take what they say at face value.
 

saladine1

Junior Member
I don't really care about small discrepancies in the game.
However, there are people who do. If something is wrong that is always pointed out to be wrong, it should be fixed especially for a new game.
It isn't a matter of whether you should be "driving in cockpit", or "it's about racing".
Turn 10 clearly pride themselves on the notion that this game isn't all about racing. It's about painting, photography, tuning, fun, car love..etc. If the cars are truly the stars of the show, then it would behoove Turn 10 to treat them as such and to try and make everything about the car correct.
Yes, there are hundreds and hundreds of cars in these games. It's a lot of work keeping up with everything. But out of those hundreds of cars, only a handful have always been scrutinized for errors.
I'm sure that such a small percentage could be redone in order to please the fans...
 

p3tran

Banned
Why they use time and money on improving the old and inaccurate Honda S2000 AP1 from FM1, and saying it's a AP2 when it's still the same ruin underneath? Why not to recapture it, like they did with the 997 Turbo (which was an absolute disaster, and in FM4 was about perfect)
now this is exactly why i'm getting pissed at all these...

forza 2, yes, we all had something to complain about s2k, as the fuckin' NOSE of the car seemed a little bit off.

I complained to t10 forums, I bashed the community managers that said otherwise etc.
BACK THEN

and back then, s2k was like this:
Nippon07.jpg

and this pic actually hides part of the nose problem, but i couldn't find one that has it more pronounced.

now, saying that it still is the same model, is something that is not true for many years.

and people that complain about s2k like its 2007, they complain just to complain.
I searched some s2k forums to see what the owners of s2k;s say about how "AWFUL" their cars are in forza 4, and guess what? I found no complaints. everybody search too.

Hell, lets ask M_A_C, who posted above a pic of his s2k in his garage.
lets ask him how bad he thinks his car is generally depicted in the game.. like looks, sounds, driving dynamics, the shit.




I can give to anybody that (probably all) cars are not 100% perfect copies in every small detail. (if you had this expectation, then you were dreaming)

but from that, to going apeshit crazy (liers/broken/i'm through/etc), there;s only one way to put that.. its trolling




you are right though on the ford observation.
I could not see it on ipad, but in my computer screen its very clear:
the front door entire upper part should be black plastic from the side where the lock is,
but it shows an orange line where it shouldnt.


this I think is a renderer bug, because the right materials are there. nice catch!
 

Mascot

Member
Did Turn 10 actually say that inaccurate cars had been remodelled, and that all tracks had been laser scanned? Some quotes or links would be useful.

It's pretty central to the recent discussion and to the accusations about whether Turn 10 are guilty of subterfuge and half-truths in these particular instances.
 

saladine1

Junior Member
Did Turn 10 actually say that inaccurate cars had been remodelled, and that all tracks had been laser scanned? Some quotes or links would be useful.

It's pretty central to the recent discussion and to the accusations about whether Turn 10 are guilty of subterfuge and half-truths in these particular instances.

The studio has ditched all existing car assets and started afresh. "That's one of the challenges of developing for a new console," adds Bill Giese, design director. "We had to rebuild every asset in the game. Unlike previous versions where we could leverage things and move them over, everything's all-new in this console."

Dan also said that "All cars from FM4/Horizon that weren't AAA standard were cut and redone" in that 2hr podcast with The Smoking Tire..
 

Mascot

Member
The studio has ditched all existing car assets and started afresh. "That's one of the challenges of developing for a new console," adds Bill Giese, design director. "We had to rebuild every asset in the game. Unlike previous versions where we could leverage things and move them over, everything's all-new in this console."

Dan also said that "All cars from FM4/Horizon that weren't AAA standard were cut and redone" in that 2hr podcast with The Smoking Tire..

Oof. That's pretty damning. Why do they make these claims if they blatantly aren't true? It destroys credibility and taints all the terrific work they are doing elsewhere in the game. A big PR shakeup is long overdue and desperately needed before FM6.
 

Shaneus

Member
Oof. That's pretty damning. Why do they make these claims if they blatantly aren't true? It destroys credibility and taints all the terrific work they are doing elsewhere in the game. A big PR shakeup is long overdue and desperately needed before FM6.
They were redone based on knockoff cars like this:
1AGnlB0l.jpg
 

nagge

Member
They may be new assets but sadly they are modelled after the same (faulty) ones as previous games it would seem.
Not that I really care about a S2000 or mini but still, seems like easy fixes.
 

eso76

Member
Oof. That's pretty damning. Why do they make these claims if they blatantly aren't true? It destroys credibility and taints all the terrific work they are doing elsewhere in the game. A big PR shakeup is long overdue and desperately needed before FM6.

like i said in my wonderful post earlier, i do care about the F40 because i fucking love that car, but more than that, it's T10's attitude.
They've been hiding the great job they did on other aspects of the game from us, and instead been trumpeting things they didn't do.
They don't need to do this, especially since they get caught all the time.


Anyway, i expect a 30 mins feature like the great one Gamespot just did for Dead Rising 3.
NOTHING LESS.
 

LeBoef

Member
5790324129_17e3d3fd36.jpg


vroooom vrooooom

y.

I like that shot, because from that angle it looks like the t10 bonnet is correct...


Anyway, good morning everyone,
Had a dream last night. They showed as the nordschleife with nikkis f1.
Lets see if i should invest more in lottery
 

Seanspeed

Banned
Great post. But to play devils advocate, I'd rather the less accurate models be in the game than not. My only thing is, don't tell us every track is laser scanned or every car model has been re-modelled or whatever when they obviously haven't. It's just disingenuous. Obviously these are small nit picks, but they do make you question the credibility of Turn 10, and whether you can take what they say at face value.
Agree and honestly, I've stopped taking their word at face value a while ago.

Still love Forza, still my favourite racing franchise, but yea, I've lost a lot of faith in Turn 10 compared to when they were contenders for Developer of the Year before.
 

saladine1

Junior Member
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/291151/forza_motorsport_5_audi_r18_etron_video.html

Microsoft has released a new video documentary, looking at the latest instalment of the Forza Motorsport series, and the special partnership with Audi – and what that means for the latest game.

The video contains interviews with the Audi Le Mans team, including Tom Kristensen, nine time winner, and fellow drivers Lucas Di Grassi, Andre Lotterer and Benoit Treluyer.

Dan Greenawalt, creative director for Forza Motorsport 5, also explains some of the important things that can be learned from the time spent at Le Mans. There is also some never before seen footage of the new Xbox One game, which launches on 22 November.

Turn 10, the studio behind Forza, has also confirmed that the Le Mans Circuit de la Sarthe will be playable in Forza Motorsport 5, both with and without the Mulsanne straight chicanes. The track has been built from the ground up for the new Xbox One game, painstakingly recreated using the latest in capture technology, including laser-scanning.
 

Mascot

Member
Agree and honestly, I've stopped taking their word at face value a while ago.

Still love Forza, still my favourite racing franchise, but yea, I've lost a lot of faith in Turn 10 compared to when they were contenders for Developer of the Year before.

The odd thing is, they don't need to bullshit - their work is stellar and speaks for itself. Nobody can get away with half truths or any more in the internet age - the planet is full of amateur detectives with time on their hands.

Did the PR rot start with Dan's 'baton-passing' speech, or was it earlier than that?


Filmed on a 2007 mobile phone? The quality is terribad..!
Any better links?
 

p3tran

Banned
Agree and honestly, I've stopped taking their word at face value a while ago.

Still love Forza, still my favourite racing franchise, but yea, I've lost a lot of faith in Turn 10 compared to when they were contenders for Developer of the Year before.

they still are fuckin'A class developers. look at what they've done, and what they're doing day1 on xbone.


problem I see with their PR, (because I do see one) is that they have to follow ms PR, because they are
a studio owned by ms, with a launch day 1st party game on a new system, aiming at ALL sorts of players .

for example back in spring I heard dan say "the cloud" more times than fuckin'don mattrick did!
now thats a cloud push i think dan would not go for, unless he had to.

I guess i'm thankful I didnt have to watch him selling me the kinect 2.0 shit.



so, i think it comes with the territory.. you get nice budgets to make nice things, but you also get to be under control.

as long as this control does not fuck up the development, they are still golden for me.
 

saladine1

Junior Member
The odd thing is, they don't need to bullshit - their work is stellar and speaks for itself. Nobody can get away with half truths or any more in the internet age - the planet is full of amateur detectives with time on their hands.

Did the PR rot start with Dan's 'baton-passing' speech, or was it earlier than that?



Filmed on a 2007 mobile phone? The quality is terribad..!
Any better links?

Couldn't fin one. All other links have the same small video..
 

eso76

Member
liking the new lighting on le mans and more smartgeometrics confirmation !

Do you guys feel rescanning Le Mans was needed ? i thought it was pretty accurate ?
 

LeBoef

Member
i am in the office and couldnt watch the video with sound.
what did they say? le mans is rescanned? that would be amazing, even if sarrazin told them where the bumps are in the old version :D

what else did they talk about?


edit:
The track has been built from the ground up for the new Xbox One game, painstakingly recreated using the latest in capture technology, including laser-scanning

given the recent track record with such claims, one might doubt, but we've seen smartgeometrics pics, they did rescan the track

tumblr_ml0lzmf4fh1s5lf2ro1_500.gif
 

eso76

Member
i am in the office and couldnt watch the video with sound.
what did they say? le mans is rescanned? that would be amazing, even if sarrazin told them where the bumps are in the old version :D

what else did they talk about?

The track has been built from the ground up for the new Xbox One game, painstakingly recreated using the latest in capture technology, including laser-scanning

given the recent track record with such claims, one might doubt, but we've seen smartgeometrics pics, they did rescan the track
 

eso76

Member
Nice video, but I hope that's not what they were hyping up. I need more then a small amount of video.

tv commercial
car pass
40 cars for this weeks showroom
le mans feature video

well, not exactly what i was hoping for, but we did get a decent amount of stuff.
 

eso76

Member
Yeah that was decent, only thing I didn't like the look of was the camera pans around the car.

exactly, reminded me far too much of FM replays when designers get lazy and can't be bothered to place a few decent tv style cameras on the track and resort to loooong cuts of camera panning around the car.

I hope it was just for this video
 

Fantastic video. Thanks for posting, sal.

La Sarthe looks superb with the new lighting, and it's great to see the cooperation with Audi continue. Their cars are the absolute last word in sports prototypes, (but we'll see if Porsche can do anything about that next year), and the R18 e-tron was the one car I wanted more than any other in FM5. I can't wait to blast down into Indianapolis corner, or through the Porsche Curves, in all their laser-scanned glory.

Do you guys feel rescanning Le Mans was needed ? i thought it was pretty accurate ?

Ideally, every track should be rescanned. The point cloud generated by a laser scan is as close to a 1:1 virtual representation of the real thing as you're going to get. Given Forza's branding association with the 24 Hours in recent years, I'd expect nothing less.

As for La Sarthe, the track layout was mostly accurate, but it was missing a lot of surface irregularities, bumps, and whatnot that the scan should be able to reproduce more faithfully than their old GPS data.
 

saladine1

Junior Member
Fantastic video. Thanks for posting, sal.

La Sarthe looks superb with the new lighting, and it's great to see the cooperation with Audi continue. Their cars are the absolute last word in sports prototypes, (but we'll see if Porsche can do anything about that next year), and the R18 e-tron was the one car I wanted more than any other in FM5. I can't wait to blast down into Indianapolis corner, or through the Porsche Curves, in all their laser-scanned glory.



Ideally, every track should be rescanned. The point cloud generated by a laser scan is as close to a 1:1 virtual representation of the real thing as you're going to get. Given Forza's branding association with the 24 Hours in recent years, I'd expect nothing less.

As for La Sarthe, the track layout was mostly accurate, but it was missing a lot of surface irregularities, bumps, and whatnot that the scan should be able to reproduce more faithfully than their old GPS data.

Yeah, I love videos like these. Would love a GTTV style thing in the game too..

Ok, Turn 10, are you going to start posting videos and information about features and other content or shall I lol?
I'm giving you two days.....
 
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