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Fullmetal Alchemist - Brotherhood Official Discussion Thread

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Cloudy

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Ok, now we're getting somewhere with ep 14. A lot of OMG WTF moments :D

You guys are almost making me want to check out the original series...

You should. The animation budget is much better and there isn't goofiness every frikken ep...
 

MetatronM

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Cloudy said:
You should. The animation budget is much better and there isn't goofiness every frikken ep...
Uhh....are you sure you remember the first series properly? Do you have ANY memory of what the first 14 episodes of that were like? Not only was there goofiness sprinkled in every episode, but at this point there were already two full episodes devoted almost entirely to goofiness.

You also would have had to deal with the terrible Majhal episode and the Tringham Brothers double episodes. And there wasn't much in those 14 episodes to really speak of in terms of notable animation, either. Certainly nothing compared to several of the fights that have appeared in Brotherhood so far.
 

duckroll

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MetatronM said:
Uhh....are you sure you remember the first series properly? Do you have ANY memory of what the first 14 episodes of that were like? Not only was there goofiness sprinkled in every episode, but at this point there were already two full episodes devoted almost entirely to goofiness.

You also would have had to deal with the terrible Majhal episode and the Tringham Brothers double episodes. And there wasn't much in those 14 episodes to really speak of in terms of notable animation, either. Certainly nothing compared to several of the fights that have appeared in Brotherhood so far.

To be fair, I think most people would compare similar content, as opposed to episode numbers. It doesn't really matter that the original series made 34 episodes out of the content which was covered in 13 episodes here. What's important is that pretty much every major fight done so far in the new series, pales in comparison with the same fight covered in the original series. Much of that is due to Nakamura being involved in the first series, and generally Mizushima being a better action director imo.
 

BeEatNU

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TheOddOne said:
EP 14 was freaking amazin'. Can't wait for next weeks ep.

true that, I was surprised to see it go down the way it did ( I didn't follow the manga but watched the 1st series)
 

duckroll

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Massive official site update to celebrate the start of the new season of FMA with ep15: http://www.hagaren.jp
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
g35twinturbo said:
true that, I was surprised to see it go down the way it did ( I didn't follow the manga but watched the 1st series)
Well, nothing from the manga past this point was covered in the first series, so hold onto your hats :D

After the greed fight in the first series, which was around episode 35 IIRC, they went iwth the whole Dante/parallel worlds storyline....

We're at ~chapter 30 of the manga now, and have 70 chapters left to cover.
 

Zalasta

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duckroll said:
What's important is that pretty much every major fight done so far in the new series, pales in comparison with the same fight covered in the original series. Much of that is due to Nakamura being involved in the first series, and generally Mizushima being a better action director imo.

You're right, but to be honest I for one never really considered FMA an action-oriented series. I've always been more interested in the characters and the underlying story. This is not to say I didn't enjoy the more elaborate action montages of the original, but I feel that it may have misrepresented what FMA really is about, especially to those that weren't familiar with the source material.
 

Skittleguy

Ring a Bell for me
Edit: Manga spoiler, sorry guys.
I was trying to look for signs of any foreshadowing when Selim showed up, but I saw none...
 

duckroll

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Zalasta said:
You're right, but to be honest I for one never really considered FMA an action-oriented series. I've always been more interested in the characters and the underlying story. This is not to say I didn't enjoy the more elaborate action montages of the original, but I feel that it may have misrepresented what FMA really is about, especially to those that weren't familiar with the source material.

I don't really get why some people seem to think that FMA is *not* an action-oriented series though. Sure, it has more character drama and a tighter narrative than most shounen action manga series, and it's not about being "the best" or fighting to reach the "top" or anything like that, but that doesn't mean the major conflicts in the series aren't pretty much all resolved by combat. There's a lot of action in FMA, even in the manga, and I don't think it's really a misrepresentation to think of it that way. FMA has and alway will be an action adventure story at its heart imo.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
Skittleguy: Not everyone here is a manga reader like us. Careful about posting spoilers without context: People might highlight them thinking they're about something in the episode instead of about something in the manga or something you wer ehoping for hte mto hint at
 

Zalasta

Member
duckroll said:
I don't really get why some people seem to think that FMA is *not* an action-oriented series though. Sure, it has more character drama and a tighter narrative than most shounen action manga series, and it's not about being "the best" or fighting to reach the "top" or anything like that, but that doesn't mean the major conflicts in the series aren't pretty much all resolved by combat. There's a lot of action in FMA, even in the manga, and I don't think it's really a misrepresentation to think of it that way. FMA has and alway will be an action adventure story at its heart imo.

Well, I guess we'll just have to differ in our opinions. I don't consider FMA an action-oriented series because the fighting is just a means to an end, it is not the reason why they are on this adventure, they just happen to end up in situations where a show of force is necessary. Compare that to Bleach and Naruto, where it is all about the battles, and often times you'd just wish they would get on with their poorly told plots and jump into the next confrontation already. I think it's very telling if you look at how many chapters are devoted to just resolving these conflicts. If I recall correctly, Bleach can have as much as 80%-90% of a single volume switching between the various fights, where as the ones in FMA are rather short and to the point. So yeah, I do think there's a big difference.

duckroll said:
I have a better idea, don't post manga spoilers in here at all, hidden or otherwise. :)

Yes, I would agree with duckroll and say that you don't want to know what he was referring to, not this early anyway.
 

Hachimaki

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I was wondering with the pace the anime is going won't it catch up with the manga fairly quickly? If that's the case will the series have to go on hiatus or have some filler adventure to wait for the manga storyline to proceed further?
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Hachimaki said:
I was wondering with the pace the anime is going won't it catch up with the manga fairly quickly? If that's the case will the series have to go on hiatus or have some filler adventure to wait for the manga storyline to proceed further?
The manga is almost done, supposedly both the anime and manga will end around the same time.
 

duckroll

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Hachimaki said:
I was wondering with the pace the anime is going won't it catch up with the manga fairly quickly? If that's the case will the series have to go on hiatus or have some filler adventure to wait for the manga storyline to proceed further?

Lol no? The manga is basically at the climax now. By the time the anime catches up, the manga will be over. That's the plan anyway.

Zalasta said:
Well, I guess we'll just have to differ in our opinions. I don't consider FMA an action-oriented series because the fighting is just a means to an end, it is not the reason why they are on this adventure, they just happen to end up in situations where a show of force is necessary. Compare that to Bleach and Naruto, where it is all about the battles, and often times you'd just wish they would get on with their poorly told plots and jump into the next confrontation already. I think it's very telling if you look at how many chapters are devoted to just resolving these conflicts. If I recall correctly, Bleach can have as much as 80%-90% of a single volume switching between the various fights, where as the ones in FMA are rather short and to the point. So yeah, I do think there's a big difference.

I'm not saying there isn't a difference, but action adventure is a very broad category. That's basically what I'm saying - just because FMA isn't like Naruto doesn't mean it's NOT an action series. It would be silly to think that people who expect FMA to have awesome fights will be disappointed, because it certainly delivers. The reason why the first part of the new series has been kinda mediocre for many viewers is because they haven't really put as much effort into the animation when it comes to covering fights already done in the first series. Like ep14 proved, the new team can still do some pretty insane action when they put the effort in.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Bradley's fight was pretty fucking badass for any series, even if he pretty much owned Greed. I don't know how one can complain about the fights after Bradley ripping Greed several new assholes like that.
 

LowParry

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I for one am enjoying what I have been watching. Looks like it's starting to follow the unfamiliar territory of the series (I haven't read any of the manga). The last couple of episodes have been excellent.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
CcrooK said:
I for one am enjoying what I have been watching. Looks like it's starting to follow the unfamiliar territory of the series (I haven't read any of the manga). The last couple of episodes have been excellent.
It gets better. And better.

I hope they slow it down a little though, cause some of the newer material is good and not retread at all.

Something weird I noticed about about anime is, my GF and I watch a ton of it, and I NEVER recognize the Japanese voice actors from one series to another unless they do the exact same voice. :lol It's funny, cause if you check the actual cast listings, it's like the same series of guys/girls in every series.
 

LaneDS

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So we'll get a new opening next episode most likely? Excellent. Was kind of bummed when episode 13 (and 14) rolled around without one.

And yes, 14 was incredibly awesome and marked the first real noticeable break from what I expected, having watched the first series. The coming soon bit for 15 looks entirely unfamiliar and that's exciting.
 

Masked Man

I said wow
New OP/ED? Yayyy! :D Which isn't to say that I didn't love the current OP/ED; anyone who visits this thread knows how much I adore them, lol.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
I just hope that they slow the pace down a little bit...I'd like to see Brotherhood span 5 seasons. That would give them about 50 episodes to cover everything past Greed.
 
The fights in the new series were good. At least, I think so.

Then again, I've only seen clips of the first series' fights. I was unimpressed by what I saw, though.
 

Swag

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Does the story of Brotherhood (post episode 14) deviate enough from the original series enough to make watching both enjoyable. Having just seen how awesome episode 14 was I kinda want to check out the original but not if I'm going to spoil brotherhood.
 

jvalioli

Member
It's worth it to watch both series. Though, since you've seen up to 14 in Brotherhood, I would recommend skipping a lot of the beginning episodes to the first series. It's been a while since I've seen it but I think it would be best to watch the Fifth Laboratory section and then skip to the episode where Ed and Al flashback to their training. Sorry, I don't know the episode numbers for these.
 

BeEatNU

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Deadly said:
Get ready to see ALOT of surprises then.:D

GaimeGuy said:
Well, nothing from the manga past this point was covered in the first series, so hold onto your hats :D

After the greed fight in the first series, which was around episode 35 IIRC, they went iwth the whole Dante/parallel worlds storyline....

We're at ~chapter 30 of the manga now, and have 70 chapters left to cover.


waaaaaaaaat.

Now I don't think I can wait to see it it :( I hate you guys :( :lol

it's going to be torture, I'm sure of it.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
Sebulon3k said:
Does the story of Brotherhood (post episode 14) deviate enough from the original series enough to make watching both enjoyable. Having just seen how awesome episode 14 was I kinda want to check out the original but not if I'm going to spoil brotherhood.
to answer your question: Yes, they're differenet enough. No, you won't be able to enjoy the first anime as much once you experience the manga storyline :p

Nothing past the first 30 chapters of the manga was used in the first anime. Nothing past Greed in the first anime is in the manga. That's not to say everything through Greed was a direct adaptation of the manga: It wasn't. A lot of things and characters were completely changed (almost unanimously for worse), characters who are supposed to die are left alive, characters who are supposed to live are killed, and characters who don't even exist in the manga make up a sizeable chunk of the major antagonists.

Also: Lots of characters were butchered (Scar, Al, and Winry, to name a few)





PS:

King Bradley <3
 

bathala

Banned
Oh shit here we go, branching out from the original anime.

Bradley fight scene was badass (not as bad ass One piece 405). Martel scene is more gruesome here.

The scene with their father was nice. I'm not sure about the voice though
 

Error

Jealous of the Glory that is Johnny Depp
fucking badass episode. no pussy ass censorship, blood everywhere, bradley owning shit. DAMN.

This is basically the only anime I'm following and a week by week basis. That says a lot since I usually just let a bunch of episodes pile up, then I start watching.

So excited for the new stuff. The music is sooooooooooo much better than in the original series, too.
 
Ep. 14 was fantastic!

Probably the best animation that I've seen yet from this series - the fight was absolutely amazing...and the blood - oh the blood - love the fact that the fight wasn't censored in any way.

Can't wait for the next episode - now the real fun begins with the new cast of characters.
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
Auron_Kale said:
Ep. 14 was fantastic!

Probably the best animation that I've seen yet from this series - the fight was absolutely amazing...and the blood - oh the blood - love the fact that the fight wasn't censored in any way.

Can't wait for the next episode - now the real fun begins with the new cast of characters.
I'm a little worried by the sheer volume of stuff that was shown in the preview for Ep 15, though. Looks like they're going to continue at the current brisk pace :|
 

Firestorm

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Episode 14 was pretty damn good. Nice to see it's finally branched out. Less of that really, really bad comedy last episode.
 
GaimeGuy said:
I'm a little worried by the sheer volume of stuff that was shown in the preview for Ep 15, though. Looks like they're going to continue at the current brisk pace :|

Yeah, I'm a bit worried to, especially with titles up to episode 19 already being known... but I'm hoping that since the stories tended to get denser with the arrival of the new characters, hopefully Bones will finally slow down their pace...
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
Auron_Kale said:
Yeah, I'm a bit worried to, especially with titles up to episode 19 already being known... but I'm hoping that since the stories tended to get denser with the arrival of the new characters, hopefully Bones will finally slow down their pace...
Plus it sounds like they might hcange a preetty significant plotpoint (again) in episode 16 or 17 :(
 
GaimeGuy said:
Plus it sounds like they might hcange a preetty significant plotpoint (again) in episode 16 or 17 :(

Yeah... :(

They'd better have a damn good reason for doing so though...

The upside, at least I'm seeing my favorite fights animated (please ep. 19, don't disappoint)
 

B.K.

Member
GaimeGuy said:
Plus it sounds like they might hcange a preetty significant plotpoint (again) in episode 16 or 17 :(

Which one? It's been a while since I read the manga. I can't tell what's going to happen by the episode titles.
 

Masked Man

I said wow
Probably. Considering they're already advertising the new OP and ED on the official site, I would expect to see them starting this week.

Also, just finished Ep. 10.
Hughes... ;____; And Mustang's "It's going to rain." TT_____TT
 

GaimeGuy

Volunteer Deputy Campaign Director, Obama for America '16
Masked Man said:
Probably. Considering they're already advertising the new OP and ED on the official site, I would expect to see them starting this week.

Also, just finished Ep. 10.
Hughes... ;____; And Mustang's "It's going to rain." TT_____TT
You have some catching up to do :D
 
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