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Wouldn't make sense, with the way most of the north feel about her ancestry, Jon has to be cautious. The only threat Jon sees is the white walkers, who are like Terminators, they can't be bargained with or reasoned with.
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Wouldn't make sense, with the way most of the north feel about her ancestry, Jon has to be cautious. The only threat Jon sees is the white walkers, who are like Terminators, they can't be bargained with or reasoned with.
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Euron has akimbo og Model1887 shotguns
DarkJediKnight
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Varys makes the most sense as he brought Martell and Tyrell into Dany's camp. And now they're both prisoners of the Lannisters.
Varys also knew about the Greyjoys escorting the sandsnakes back to Dorne and Tyrion's plans for Casterly Rock.
It has to be him...
TimeEffect
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Is it wrong that I get teary eyed at so many scenes. Couldn't help but love Bran/Sansa. Even though he's become an edge lord and pretty much creeped on his sister's worse moment. Dude's got the appropriate tact of a teenager
DangerMouse
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Gonna be interesting.
Harrison Bergeron
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Yeah, that's what I was referring to. I think the only battle he ever fought in was at the Trident in the rebellion when he got killed. Could be wrong though.
Nydius
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This is a prime example of what I meant when I wrote that the conflict is moving so fast as to be unbelievable this season so far. House Tully managed to hold off the Lannister army while they were under siege and their forces decimated. Jaime marches to Highgarden with less than the full Lannister army and takes a Great House with almost no fight.
This whole thing is hurredly explained by Olenna by waving her hand at the situation and giving a glorified "we're lovers not fighters" exchange (her "gold rose" comment) with Jaime.
I realize they're running out of time but they're pushing plot lines so fast that I find myself rolling my eyes at many of the scenarios and a LOT of the dialogue.
The Freys were shown to be pretty incompetent at sieging. Not really comparable.
He was great at the battle of the Blackwater. Needs to think unconventional.
He was great at the battle of the Blackwater. Needs to think unconventional.
water_wendi
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Any chance that the Unsullied escape, get lost, and then run into Tormund in just enough time to help him escape from the Army of the Dead? What if Euron then shows up?
Loved the episode btw.
Loved the episode btw.
The Tyrells were great at the Blackwater.
Or it could be Tyrion's good, Cersei has just become extremely good and she's now in actual control as opposed to before when she was reacting to constrictions. People seem to have this idea that she's dumb, I might have agreed before, but I think people just called her dumb a lot, she's never actually done anything that stupid and isn't doing anything stupid now.
DangerMouse
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Such a good line in the preview.
LOL
Exclusive footage from the next episode of the true form of Euron's ship.
LOL
He kinda got fucked by info he didn't know existed. Sending Dorne and the Greyjoys to surround King's Landing while cutting off all the gold supply of King's Landing from Casterly Rock is a good plan but he didn't know that Casterly Rock has no gold and thus is pretty useless and that Euron had joined up with Cersei.
How's he supposed to know Euron's on that newgame+ playthrough?
Yup. Tyrion's information is two seasons out of date, it's no wonder he's having a hard time getting a W.
molnizzle
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I like it. Makes it so you can't predict anything. No way I could have guessed that this episode would have turned out this way. Anything can happen, which is essentially what made this show so fun to watch in the first place. Now it's just jacked up to 11. As it should be.
DangerMouse
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Yeah.
Are you joking? Tyrion decimated the Stannis navy and led a force out to squeeze the enemy between them and the wall. It was great strategy against a much larger force. The Tyrells saved the day at the last minute, but without Tyrion, the city would have fallen before they reached it.
You, and the shitty malcontents who cross-pollinate both threads.
The Artisan
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we never saw Yara bow to Dany, just a handshake, and later Yara calls herself Queen of the Iron Islands
If Jon bowed, Dany offered him to be the warden of the north, he wouldn't get to keep his title. to the bolded, if that is the case, I think Jon will agree to bow or at least give up his title if Dany agrees to help him in the winter war.
If he does that he loses the Northern lords. He needs everyone together, he's got no time to help her fight her war.
The Artisan
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I like talking to people about this show, why's it have to be a bother to you?
that's true, but Jon wants to do anything and everything he can to protect his people. If Dany swears she will help him if he swears allegiance, then maybe he'll break.
If Jon had swore fealty to Dany and went back to the North, he would have been either ousted or killed by the Northeners who are already sceptical of him because he even went there in the first place, and his recent pardoning of the Karstarks. He's on somewhat thin ice with them already, bending the knee would be taken as a betrayal.
Screenwriter 1: Hey bro, now that everyone's in Westeros shit is really hectic.
Screenwriter 2: Hold my beer.
Where's Arya? Everyone else teleporting around, my nagging feeling that she never does reunite with the Starks is growing.
Olenna absolving Tyrion in Jaime's eyes in her last scene is too neat.
Screenwriter 2: Hold my beer.
Where's Arya? Everyone else teleporting around, my nagging feeling that she never does reunite with the Starks is growing.
Olenna absolving Tyrion in Jaime's eyes in her last scene is too neat.
water_wendi
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The North needs to capture some undead and send them off in cages to make the eight so everyone actually knows wtf is going on.
The question is, would she still want to go first? If so then it's a no-go from his side.
It's absolves Tyrion, but places a wedge between Jamie and Cersei.
The Artisan
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you have a point, but the northerners suffered for so damn long with the Boltons in power. Jon Snow put an end to it, if they betray him for doing what's necessary, then...they're no better than the Night's Watch.
She was great this episode. Her story about her birth and the subsequent years that followed it, is something that I feel needed to be brought up. Of all the characters (from noble houses) that have been in positions of power in this show, Dany has had the worst upbringing of any of them. Even Jon as bastard in Winterfell, has had a far more envious life than Dany ever had.
People will constantly mention how Dany is entitled and so forth and so on. But when you put what she went through in being exiled at birth, to being hunted due to her bloodline, to being abused by her brother, to being sold as a sex slave, and place that on a scale, you begin to see why she does what she does. Why she is ruthless to those who hurt the weak and innocent, why she behaves sometimes in a manner that seems stuck up and "entitled", etc. You realise that this is a girl who never wants to be back in that weak and helpless position she was in for most of her life.
When someone who faced abuse and lacked the power to protect themselves for most of their lives, gains the agency, tools, resources, and ability to never again face those horrors, their future actions needs to be understood and viewed through the past that shaped them.
The Artisan
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yeah Jon would have to convince her to go first. that's the only way they can be friends.
Welp, House Tyrrel is officially extinct... Not that Olena had the means to fill the ranks.
I think Olena may have planted a seed in Jaime during their conversation. I feel as the season progresses, Jamie might be faced with situations where he thinks back on his talk with Olena.
I see where the show is going. All of Dany's allies dropping like flies means she will have to rely on Whatever Jon can offer. That will bring them closer together. However, it really makes a lot of Danny's story and her allies' stories kind of a waste of time. Hopefully, there's a huge payoff to all this.
It's funny how they both seem to unwittingly appeal to each other's better natures despite their outward formal dressings. It is feeling like an subtle courtship with Tyrion playing cupid, unbeknownst to all parties. lol
I think Olena may have planted a seed in Jaime during their conversation. I feel as the season progresses, Jamie might be faced with situations where he thinks back on his talk with Olena.
I see where the show is going. All of Dany's allies dropping like flies means she will have to rely on Whatever Jon can offer. That will bring them closer together. However, it really makes a lot of Danny's story and her allies' stories kind of a waste of time. Hopefully, there's a huge payoff to all this.
It's funny how they both seem to unwittingly appeal to each other's better natures despite their outward formal dressings. It is feeling like an subtle courtship with Tyrion playing cupid, unbeknownst to all parties. lol
victreeb3l
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I need to see direwolves eat LF. Maybe HBO is saving the budget for when Summer and Ghost have a nice little snack together.
MagicWithEarvin
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Euron is too damn powerful. Who's going to off this guy?
Theon, once he summons the courage to love again.
Shin K Dash
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I don't think he ever believed Tyrion killed him. Cerci did cause well she hates him.
But he still killed their father which I doubt Jamie will ever forgive him for.
that will be a sweet moment
They aren't, they're just the people who happen to be willing to side with him under the current circumstances. Jon didn't accept being king of the north because he wanted to lead these people in general, it's specifically because he knows the dead army is coming and putting himself in the position of king in the north gives him an army to work with, and hopefully build from. He doesn't bow to Dany because doing so would jeopardize the support he does have, which isn't even close to enough, and wouldn't necessarily help his cause of fighting the dead army is Dany doesn't even believe it exists anyway.
I think he'd only bend the knee if two things happened: i) he felt sure of the north's support if he did and ii) dany promised to fight the dead army. Neither of which he has right now. He might still do it if he's dumb as hell, but I think he's avoided that necessity for the moment.
I think his days of being OP are over since he's good as hell in sea battles but those might be over.
Lord of Castamere
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Edit'; I didn't release we're still doing two threads. I didn't have any spoilers in it,i think, but to be safe I going to the other thread. I'm on a good no ban streak right now.
Again. Did you fucking miss the Tarly's the most powerful reach bannerman led by the one guy who beat Robert in the rebellion switched sides and buffed up the lannisters. Hm?
JadedWriter
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So Bran is officially the "I've seen some shit" character?
The Artisan
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I agree with pretty much everything you said. although, Jaime seemed most affected when Olenna told him about Joffrey. But like, Jaime should be thinking like Tyrion that the world is a better place without him.
Word yeah I like Tyrion playing cupid to Jon & Dany. Keep it coming
Dany said she wants to take the dragons to fight his fleet, and you can bet he's already got something prepared for that since he's aware of them.
It's very obvious to me that he's going to make one too many demands of Cersei and she's going to have the Mountain kill him.
Or maybe he loses his first battle and the Lannisters just leave him high and dry.
The entire "theme" of this relationship between Cersei and Euron seems to be a rather ugly self-interest. He doesn't need to be killed by Dany if his own greed will take him.
Of course, they may want to finish Theon's arc by having a rescue/fight.
not my fault you and others like to be shitty in two places at once.
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