S4 E5 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_of_His_Name
Lysa loved Littlefinger (or he manipulated her into it). She poisoned her husband so they could be together. She admits it to the audience in a clumsy bit of expositionary dialogue.
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S4 E5 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_of_His_Name
Lysa loved Littlefinger (or he manipulated her into it). She poisoned her husband so they could be together. She admits it to the audience in a clumsy bit of expositionary dialogue.
Did Sansa over hear that I wonder?
I remember him throwing her down the moon door, but goddamn I can't believe I forgot about that revelation.
It's one of the coolest ones since it means Jaimie and Cersei didn't kill him. So everything that has happened in the show is Littlefinger's fault.
someone kill this man please
lastplayed
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The episode this happened in lol.
A true agent of chaos. I kinda hope he lives through it.
How would Ned have died if he wasn't summoned to KL to become hand of the king and investigate Jon Aryn?
I mean sure, there's an infinite number of ways, but a planned thing by LF and in such a public manner at the hands of the Lannisters...
CreepingFear
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Jamie did throw Brandon off the tower. You could argue that started a lot of shit.
Nameless
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Would he? Robert has no reason to ride North to enlist Ned if Jon Arryn is alive. Littlefinger was also behind the letter Cat got implicating the Lannisters , and steered Ned towards the truth about Cersei's children knowing full well his honor would compel him to reveal the truth. He's also the one who framed Tyrion for the attempt on Bran's life.
Remove Littlefinger from the equation and hundreds of thousands live. This show is basically fantasy Downton Abby until Dany(or Mance) or the Night King show up... A Song of Peace and Prosperity.
... which wouldn't have happened if King Robert didn't personally go to Winterfell to summon Ned to become the new Hand of the King because LF had Jon Aryn (the former hand murdered in secret). It all circles back to LF's meddling.
But the Lannisters would have never been in Winterfell if Jon Arryn didn't die.
Not to play the 'who's more at fault' game but all of the events of the show were started by LF.
But they would have never been there at all. They only visited Winterfell since Robert wanted Ned as his new Hand.
dsp
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Jamie wouldn't have been in Winterfell if it weren't for the death of Jon Arynn.
The Artisan
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i watched the whole video. Ygritte did a summersault too. When the thenn smacked Jon's head on the anvil I swear it should've made some of his front teeth loose.
Those summersaults reminded me of every summersault I do in Uncharted 4 mp ever
Fuck, yeah this happened right before the battle at castle black. Even if Karl wasn't fighting dirty I don't think Jon would've won. He's too fast.
House Good Men and House Fooking Legend are all that's needed to save the realm.
Robdraggoo
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I was referring to brann, not jon ayrnn. Sorry for the confusion
Fenderputty
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I was just spoiled on another forum regarding episode 4. The shitty thing is the way it went down. The person dropping the leaks did so in a way that nobody knew they were leaking shit. Then someone called out "no specific poster" for posting leaks that he read on that page. Then it became easy to figure out who posted the leak simply based on what was posted even though nobody was called out by name. I couldn't stop my brain from deducing who it was.
Fixed.
The Artisan
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yeah if they all died it would be like Tyrion said about Joffrey, the world is just a better place without them.
Still, even what happened to Brann traces back to LF as I said to another poster.
I too like to draw random lines sometimes.
Edit: Shit, double posted. Sorry. C'mon GoTGAF. You lagging.
Not clumsy at all.
Robdraggoo
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It's beautiful, what is it?
Ok I see the connection now.
At this point Lf could even be directly tied to Bran's attempted murder. Can't wait for that mystery to resolve. Hey bran knows who it was and will be revealed in some random way.
Robdraggoo
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You mean the mountain?
And step on cersai
(Unfinished) travel chart for all GoT characters. North-West to South-East on the vertical axis. Episode no. on the horizontal. Each line coloured by family/allegiance.
Oops, brain fart. Yeah, that's what I meant.
Robdraggoo
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That's cool. Nice to log each characters journey through out the series.
water_wendi
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Okay that would be amazing. Bran warging into The Mountain lol
So wait, the bit with the Iron Bank is that they want their initial debts owed to them paid off, and then they would extend a new loan to Cersei? Why does Cersei need them if she just stole the gold from Highgarden? Also, why would Randyll "I'm a fucking Bigot" Tarly be fine with the region he backstabbed for, to be left high and dry out of its gold and resources?
The Lanisters already owed the Iron Bank money from before the war. Also you don't want them funding the enemy (the Northerners or Daenerys).
There seem to be a lot of problems with what has been happening with the Tarlys and Tyrells.
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Would the bank be funding those two by way of proxy, because I don't see either of them agreeing to any financial help the bank gives them?
Yeah Tarly is a fucking joke.
"Hey so the good news is that you're the new Warden of the Reach. Bad news is you've got no money to pay your troops, and we just stole all your food. Thanks for choosing the winning side, and remember, if you piss us off we'll just get one of your underlyings to betray you. Bye!"
The Artisan
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hm, is it okay to talk about the telltalle game of thrones stuff here? coz there's some warging stuff to bring up.
Wars are expensive. Dany might not need their help now, but you need to pay troops, weapons, armor, food, etc.
Nameless
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Tywin gave a good rundown on the Iron Bank.
Cersei was paying attention. She always listened to her father more than Jaime or Tyrion and it's really showing now.
Freshmaker
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He's mainly just trying to claim his birthright. I don't think there's an ounce of strategy behind that move.
I'm not sure Tywin told him the gold is all dried up. He never did think much of Tyrion, it'd make sense he wasn't told.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Tyrion was master of coin for a time. He has to know.
DarkJediKnight
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I dont get the hate for Tarly.
Did you see what Cersei Did? She wiped out an entire house!!
Tarly even tells Jaime that he saw what Cersei does to those who disobey her.
If he goes against her, he knows that she can label him a traitor against the realm and wipe out his house.
He made a decision to back Cersei reluctantly.
Jesus, I feel like people just watch this show and post on neogaf and miss every dialogue. They pretty much spelled this out.
Like it or not, Cersei is the protector of the realm. Her commands outweighs allegiance to any house.
Did you see what Cersei Did? She wiped out an entire house!!
Tarly even tells Jaime that he saw what Cersei does to those who disobey her.
If he goes against her, he knows that she can label him a traitor against the realm and wipe out his house.
He made a decision to back Cersei reluctantly.
Jesus, I feel like people just watch this show and post on neogaf and miss every dialogue. They pretty much spelled this out.
Like it or not, Cersei is the protector of the realm. Her commands outweighs allegiance to any house.
About the debt? Sure. About the gold drying up? Not so sure. Remember that Tywin held his reigns pretty tight while there.
Someone should probably go back into those seasons and check to see if he ever mentioned it or had it mentioned to him.
Tyrion was betting on Cersei's vanity and pride. Cersei has after all made a lot of short sighted and wreckless moves, and she still thinks he killed Joffrey. He didn't really even want it as much he thought it would be a blow to her armies since he would be assaulting it with more skilled warriors through a back entrance. It was about taking out a lot of her forces (this is before they knew of Tyrell bannerman betrayals like Tarly).
It wasn't about gold or him wanting his birthright, it was just him underestimating his sister (or at least underestimating his brother wrangling her into smart strategy).
Even if Tyrion was not told directly in an Iron Bank scene, Olenna was on his war council and it should be safe to assume the whole "The Tyrells have been bankrolling things for a while now" thing was common knowledge.
It wasn't about gold or him wanting his birthright, it was just him underestimating his sister (or at least underestimating his brother wrangling her into smart strategy).
Even if Tyrion was not told directly in an Iron Bank scene, Olenna was on his war council and it should be safe to assume the whole "The Tyrells have been bankrolling things for a while now" thing was common knowledge.
I think a lot of people here just hate Cersei, and try to diminish her victories and her intelligence.
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