I'm sure someone can better explain to you why its bad, but it's weird to me because: House Tarly was loyal to the Targaryens during Robert's Rebellion, so you would think they'd be supportive to Dany. Secondly, they were loyal to the Tyrells as well who are now supporting Dany's claim. And even then, it doesn't make sense to be okay with what Cersei did or trust her afterwards.
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I'm sure someone can better explain to you why its bad, but it's weird to me because: House Tarly was loyal to the Targaryens during Robert's Rebellion, so you would think they'd be supportive to Dany. Secondly, they were loyal to the Tyrells as well who are now supporting Dany's claim. And even then, it doesn't make sense to be okay with what Cersei did or trust her afterwards.
DarkJediKnight
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She has Jamie who, despite being a kingslayer is a highly respected commander. His calming approach is highly persuasive.
No one could have pulled that move with Tarly. He is the commander of a massive army of the reach.
What other way to get him on your side by offering him Warden of the South?
If he refuses, He's in open rebellion with the crown. He gets executed and his house is wiped out. He fully knows that offering him Wardenship is a veiled threat.
I cant believe people don't see this.
He's a man of honor, an asshole, but a man of honor. He is doing what Ned did. Fall in to protect his house.
rokkerkory
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Perhaps when folks see the dragons they will change sides
Nameless
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Cersei played on his xenophobia and Jaime on his honor and ambition. This is a deeply racist man who doesn't consider Wildlings people, just imagine what he thinks of Unsullied and Dothraki. No way he'd be eager to side with them.
The Artisan
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or the dragons will be the last thing they ever see and they burn and die
Tarly's betrayal is key to the downfall of Tyrell. At this point in the story the Lannisters are weak on the bodies and money front.
Yeah, he'd be labelled a traitor, but so are like 4 or 5 of the 7 kingdoms. He'd hardly be on his own, he'd be with what is essentially the most powerful house still in the game.
He made a decision partly out of fear but also for his own advancement and one that was also motivated by xenophobia, and he was seen posturing as an honorable man in his brief appearances before this season.
People not answering the calls of mad monarchs is half the motivations in the show. And let's not pretend like Cersei is some master threat or something. She had just come out of being held prisoner for a year. She's barely been in real power for what, a couple months? Self preservation can only cover so much of his justification.
I would like this to be true as it would be interesting.
But honestly I think they're just giving Cersei early convenient victories so that Dany doesn't just devastate everyone.
DarkJediKnight
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That I agree with. But his reason for backing Cersei is more out of fear for his house than his hate of wikdling and dothraki.
soundscream
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Its to stop them from investing in Danny.
soundscream
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Jamie isnt a highly respected commander. Walder Frey was talking shit about him, and even Lady O said he was shit before she died. He was a respected swordsman, but his only act as a commander before the seige of river run was his loss to Rob.
DangerMouse
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This moment and the moment of awkward silence right after it was absolutely amazing lol.
Then Davos did even better when he had the chance to impress with Jon achievements.
Also, Tyrion's brooding line and that conversation Jon was another of my favorites from the ep.
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It was so weird seeing them lining up like one of their truly most famous was returning.
Yep. The guy from the bank even referenced Danny's dragons to illustrate the bank's choices.
He should have never answered the summons of the woman who killed his Lord and his queen. It makes no sense. Are all the southern lords a bunch of cowardly, oathbreaking little shits? Can you imagine a scenario where the Northern houses would have members that wouldn't avenge Ned's death? Yet Tarly flips from the jump. You mention his statements to Jamie. I'm saying he should have never been there in the first place.
What honour does a man who comes grovelling to the killer of the Lord he was sworn as a banner man to and the queen he swore fealty have?
Lamel
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"The things I do for love"
Seductivpancakes
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For the last episode, I saw it as Jaime finally stepping up as a reliable person when it comes matters of war, and outsmarting Tyrion, which isn't that hard seeing as Tyrion doesn't have many experiences in war, I could be wrong though cause the pacing threw me off.
I think he's taking enough Ls through out the whole series to help be more humble and capable commander. This is like his first victory so it might just be a fluke.
Yea I understand him turning on Tyrells if he truly hated non Westorsi people, but why did he even go to King's Landing? It's not like they appealed to his xenophobia through a raven.
Only explanation I can think of he's more straightedge and honor bound than Ned Stark, and has to at least answer a summons and if necessary, declare war in person, then head home. Which of course makes him dumber than Ned Stark in the game of politics.
The Artisan
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also does anyone else think it'd be a disservice if Jon doesn't tell Dany that he knew and respected late maester Aemon?
Damn, you're right. He definitely should, on retrospect I'm surprised it wasn't one of the first things he said.
Seductivpancakes
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Would be a nice conversion for them to get close and learn about each other.
Jon can then remove his shirt and tell the story of how he died and came back to save the world. This fan fiction is writing itself.
SofNasciment-
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Oh, I hadn't thought of that. But now I definitely want to see that dialogue.
*everyone just stares at Dany as she recites the Westerosi equivalent of a history book from 1967*
Lord Mace Tyrell ------ Lord Regent of the Reach
Queen Margaery Tyrell ----- Queen of the Seven Kingdoms
Lord Randyll Tarly ----- Sworn banner man of House Tyrell
Cersei Lannister ------ Murderer of both Mace and Margaery Tyrell
How is Randyll Tarly an honour bond man if his oaths to House Tyrell mean nothing to him? I don't get it. Cersei wasn't the queen when she killed off Mace and Queen Margaery, so how could he accept the summons of a regicide committing, Warden of the Reach killing usurper? You're right, he either broke his oaths prior to leaving to King's Landing, or he's dumber than all the dumbest Starks combined. Like Brandon Stark levels of stupidity.
Holy shit that would be fucking amazing.
Because Tyrell is chess piece. Chess piece go away. Show end.
Robdraggoo
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Did John know, I thought he told sam, not John.
*pushes her out a window*
Distrust of Targaryens and xenophobia. Cersei is the devil he knows.
Seductivpancakes
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Honor bound as he'll at least go to see what they have to say out of respect and what not. Sort of like under a white flag, and they just convinced him while he's there or it could be just poor writing. I'm only speculating
I like the line from Smalljon Umber.
Fuck oaths, and fuck kneeling. I've got a gift for you.
It's been this show's motto since season 4 ended.
I would have greatly appreciated it if we never saw the bit with Tarly talking about how he doesn't break oaths and stab people in the back. If he just showed up and was like, "yeah I'm here because Olenna brought brown people to Westeros, fuck my oaths, fuck the Tyrells, promise me the reach and I'm in," it would have gone down so much better than this fake honour crap he spouted.
Man the Starks were right about the south. The Dornish were led by idiots who thought killing their own family was the path to take to get revenge on the Lannisters. And in the Reach, "honourable" lords go to the capital with puckered lips instead of raising their banners in revolt for the murder of their Lord and their queen.
iShouldGoPro
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When you listen to "Castle on the Hill" and realize this dude is talking about King's Landing...
edit: I so read this wrong, nevermind.
Not to mention that the show had already firmly established him as someone who despises people who are different from him.
A man who would disown his own son because he's not...I guess super hunky like the first actor they got to play Dickon has no honor.
Alex_Mexico
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What's this about a leak I'm hearing about? Was it only a script or was it actual episodes?
The Artisan
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holy shit you're right why didn't he fucking do that?!
Jeez, they can maybe act normal for once and just kiss first before deciding to go all the way. I don't think there was any budding romances on the show that didn't go straight to fucking.
Robb & Talisa fuck basically on the first date, same with Jon, Dany was just raped from the beginning which is horrible,
Me too man. Like I said, it's a disservice if it doesn't happen.
That's the only thing Jon Snow ever knew, coz he knows nothing else
No leak discussion in here.
HBO got hacked into but it can't really be discussed further than that.
Alex_Mexico
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Fair enough
Exactly. Going down the route that Randyll is a bigoted fuck head (which they end up at anyways) from the get go, makes things actually work better than pretending Tarlly has any honour whatsoever.
Robdraggoo
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Thanks couldn't remember exactly lol
DragoonKain
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This may be old news, but for the people in this thread who use twitter, be careful. There are people on Twitter doing searches for anyone who uses Game of Thrones terminology or names, like "Arya" "Drogon" etc and replying to them with what I guess are leaked spoilers. I got hit with one that thankfully was only a minor one I already knew. Just a head's up for people who go on Twitter to chat Game of Thrones.
The Artisan
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That's funny how that other guy is a such a knobhead.
The Artisan
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How unpredictable of a twist would it be if Cersei dies by sacrificing herself for the rest of mankind in the world to win the winter war...in a way kinda redeems her of all the evil shit she's done since she was born
It almost seems like the opposite of filler, right? Although, really it's just the pacing that is off with all the jumps.
As for Jon x Dany, alls I gotta say is this is a love story for me from here on out
poppabk
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Because he wanted a reaction. Probably will be telling everyone the time he spoke to Jaime on GoT on twitter for the next couple of years at least.
Dr.Guru of Peru
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I would stop watching the show if that was the twist. Circe has shown time and time again that does not give a shit about anyone else but her. Hell, she pushed her own son to suicide and didn't give a shit. No amount of character development in the next two seasons will make your twist believable.
DarkJediKnight
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This is why people avoid social media. You can't joke, can't make a serious comment, can't make a sarcastic comment without some asshole ruining everything.
SporeCrawler
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also randyl tarly fought for the mad king in roberts rebellion
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