If you think this season, which has been praised by almost all critics and fans, is shit, what is it that you like about this show? I am not trolling but asking a serious question. I see a lot of people who seem to hate all the characters on this show, hate the writing and direction on this show, hate the creators of this show, yet they watch every week and participate in these threads. I am curious why anyone would watch something they seem to hate.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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If you think this season, which has been praised by almost all critics and fans, is shit, what is it that you like about this show? I am not trolling but asking a serious question. I see a lot of people who seem to hate all the characters on this show, hate the writing and direction on this show, hate the creators of this show, yet they watch every week and participate in these threads. I am curious why anyone would watch something they seem to hate.
Finn of Ooo
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The subtitles were "flee you idiot"
Jezbollah
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Didnt Dany destroy the convoy taking the gold to the Iron Bank?
If so, I'd say she gained. A lot.
velociraptor
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I really hope this is sarcasm.
Dany did not kill civilians - she killed enemy combatants.
They chose their fate when the invaded Highgarden.
Valkyr Junkie
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Dany effectively killed all of Cersei's soldiers loyal to her except for those in King's Landing. She owns the entire continent now.
Nope, before the battle starts Jamie and his lieutenants are talking about how the gold made it through the gates to Kings Landing.
Hope the dragon get you next.
wesleyshark
Banned
Yep. The civilian populous has no current reason to trust or put their allegiance in Dany. To them, she is a foreign invader with dragons and an army of pillagers and rapists who wants to burn anyone alive who stands in her way.
RichiRamjag
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The writing is definitely weaker now that they're past the books, but it's still an enjoyable enough show imo.
peteykirch
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darkwing-buck
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nah right before the battle, Old Man Tarly gave word to Jaime that gold arrived in KL
Daeny fucked up although I suppose this is better then burning cities
The One Who Knocks
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No. The gold was already back in King's Landing (as it was rushed back due to its importance) by the time this ambush took place. Daenerys burnt the food from the farms around High Garden and a lot of the Lannister's soldiers.
The Lannisters never had the upper hand. Tyrion said that the majority of the Lannisters forces were in castle rock and he thought they were 10000. That means the entire Lannisters forces are less than 20000. the dothraki alone are +100000 and they're the best at fighting at open fields. The unsullied are yet to be defeated and they can storm an army bigger than them, and she has three dragons that apparently even them have plot armor.
Killing all of Dany allies was just so they can move from the political plot once Cersei is defeated. She was never going to lose which is why all that is happening feels more like a mindless action movie instead of game of thrones that we used to know where you can't predict who is going to come out winning.
Other than the amazing action scenes which was fuckin outstanding, nah. The season was great until this episode.
The message I felt Jon was trying to give to Danny was that going into the Red Keep with dragon's blazing isn't going to do much to actually win over the seven kingdoms. So instead, Danny goes dragon's blazing into a food supply. Danny didn't seem to actually be paying attention to what Jon was saying and perhaps did something even worse than directly storming the Red Keep
RichiRamjag
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I need my guy to show up to the party
Any day now, can't wait
They're gonna need to deal with cersei first. I want the next season to just be the wight walkers rolling through.
I'm not sure why you're directing this at me? I actually like watching the show. It's silly pulp and action, and when it's cool it's badass. I loved season 6. The first 3 episodes of season 7 have been pretty much... shit. Episode 1 was boring because it was wheel spinning setting stuff up and we already more or less know where things are going. Then we had that embarrassment of an action scene with Euron from the guy who directs all the worst set pieces on the show - Barristan's shameful death, Arya's hilariously awkward chase with the waif, and now random fireballs and ship fighting with horrible choreography and bad camera work. I looks bad and I'm going to say so. Then there's an episode where you have Castely Rock and Highgarden captured in montages and fast forward. No effort at all.
This episode shows what GoT should be. As it is when it shines.
wesleyshark
Banned
They said the bulk of the gold had already been delivered to KL. The rest were supplies and provisions, apart from the one wagon with the last bit of gold. Dany wiped all of those things out in her hasty decision to just destroy everything.
Definitely wasn't the bulk of her soldiers.
Yes, because this,
an act of war? The Tyrells and Dorne both joined Dany as a result of their hate of the Lannisters. The Sand Snakes had already started the Dornish ramp up of hostilities against Cersei, and I would imagine Olenna would have called her bannermen to avenge Mace Tyrell and Margaery. War with Cersei would have happened even without Dany.
wesleyshark
Banned
That's what I was trying to imply. She's not looking ahead at what consequences may happen. Jon's advice was deeper than just saying that she shouldn't storm the Red Keep.
She's showing signs of becoming a Mad Queen and she hasn't even sat on the Iron Throne yet.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Hope a white walker gets you
He's just lucky Bronn was wearing all leather armor and didn't have to fat roll over to him.
The 8th season is just 6 episodes showing every major location getting wrecked by White Walkers. Each episode ends with a different artist/band performing their rendition of The Rains of Castamere for the credits.
jm89
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She very easily destroyed the lannisters/tarly with jamie and randyll leading them, arguably their best commanders. Something like that can demoralise armies and send them into dissaray.
She kills jamie(plot armour probably won't allow this) cersei will go batshit and make stupid mistakes.
RichiRamjag
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Shit, I'd think they'd do a bit better than that lol, but that doesn't sound too bad at all, especially the with the bands.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Next episode title is promising, also same director as this episode.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
I can't wait for the inevitable giant final battle
Valkyr Junkie
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Then where are they? The army that took High Garden was the majority of the Lannister army plus the Tarly army. Jamie said they were not going to be leaving any soldiers behind to occupy the region. The caravan was indicated to be extremely large (stretching from KL to wherever the battle took place) and was of the highest priority for them to protect given the resources and what Tarly said about protecting it. We were only shown the destruction of a small amount of the caravan, but it would be ridiculous plot armor for the tens of thousands of mounted Dothraki to not be able to run down and slaughter the majority of the remaining troops.
Seductivpancakes
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How did she mess up? She destroyed a very skilled and powerful army with minimal losses. She's also captured or killed both of Cersei's only commanders. One of them being very experienced. They've already established the peasants will support whoever is in charge.
Doesn't matter if they destroyed half of the army, they're leaderless now and easy picking for mounted riders and a dragon.
Doesn't matter if they destroyed half of the army, they're leaderless now and easy picking for mounted riders and a dragon.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Was part of the battle strategy. She burned a line through the Lannister defense for the Dothraki charge to get through, then she burned the wooden convoy to prevent them from getting path to retreat and reform the lines. She trapped them between the flames and the Dothraki.
water_wendi
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i like the GoT Academy speculation that she is going to end up as Queen when all is said and done. Also that Sansa "jealousy" people are talking about during the duel i think is just her realizing that not only does Arya have the will to make a murder list but the means to carry it out. Sansa is going to utilize Aryas skills in some way.
Also for Sansa speculation i also agree with Gil Kidrons idea that Sansa/House Stark will do something before the series is concluded to pull some really evil shit that will change how we view them.
Lol this is a good point.
Uni on Everything!
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God damn that battle scene with the Dothraki charging and the dragons appearing... my wife and I looked at each other and we both got teary eyed... waited 7 years for this moment!!! lol
DeviantBoi
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Did both Tarlys survive the encounter?
I'm sure Dickon did, but dunno about the father. Didn't see him in action.
I'm sure Dickon did, but dunno about the father. Didn't see him in action.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Yeah, going to be interesting if Cersei really loves Jaime. I am pretty sure all will be captured, Bronn, Jaime and both of the Tarlys. I guess Jon Snow could speak a word with the father or Samwell?
As I said above, don't think this is how his arc ends.
Was it ever mentioned if this was a big part of her army or not? I don't remember so. In the next episode they can say that was 90% of her army burned to the ground, or they can pretend that was a small escort force for the food being transported.
This is getting ridiculous. She just fought an army that had just wrapped up literally pillaging the seat of power of one of Westeros' most prominent families. A family and a Queen Cersie blow up. Do you guys really read what you write?
Nameless
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Nah. Cersei still has whatever Lannister soldiers stationed at King's Landing + the City Watch. She also has the most powerful Navy and, since the Tyrell gold made it back to Kings Landing, the Iron Bank will be enlisting The Golden Company(a mercenary group in Essos) to fight for her cause. This is far from over and the next battles won't take place safely away from civilians. Dany has choices to make.
wesleyshark
Banned
Didn't see either die in-episode, so I'm assuming they both made it.
Haha what? Nothing about what Daenerys did makes her like the Mad King. The parallels you guys should be drawing are how Dany is just like Aegon.
Also Cersei will probably have way more Scorpions built by the time they get to Kings Landing. If one can take down Drogon, imagine what dozens could do.
I don't see how Daenery's is worse than Cersei for example. She's only using her dragons on enemy combatants, she has a legitimate claim to the throne, stronger than everyone else's and she's likely offering everyone the opportunity to join her cause.
Sure her language can be pointed, but she's a queen. She has to be authoritative to get people to listen and she shows compassion several times in the series.
Sure her language can be pointed, but she's a queen. She has to be authoritative to get people to listen and she shows compassion several times in the series.
Jag
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Yeah, they aren't doing well with showing the passage of time. After the scene with the gold wagon, Jamie sends Bronn with Tarly to help get the food. The next scene they are back together, so enough time had passed to get the gold to King's Landing and pack up the harvest.
Also Cersei promised the gold in a fortnight which is two weeks. So my guess is it was probably about a week or more between Jamie sending the wagons off and them arriving at KL.
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