I meant take into consideration the post you're replying to instead of skimming over it and dismissing it with a one line response.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 4 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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The first half of your post is spot on, but you lose this sharpness in the second half. I don't buy the "because of the spies" thing. There would have been a million better ways to smuggle the poison to the wedding. Unless you want to point the blame in a specific direction. She framed sansa. She doesn't have a sweet spot for her. She was just a tool with a motive everyone would belief to get rid of the mad King 2.0 before he could rape margaery.
Portugeezer
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I don't know why the old lady couldn't just carry her own poison, but whatever that story makes sense.
LOL yes. Loras and Oberyn clearly have the hots for each other in that scene. It's a typical cruising look shared between two guys.
Also, on top of what everyone else has said about Olenna (her clear dislike of Joff), she is played by Diana Rigg. They wouldn't hire someone that famous for a throwaway character.
Lol are you for real? I don't even know where you're going with this anymore.
It's like admitting you were wrong is just too hard.
I know Loras is a Tyrell btw. I don't know why you keep trying to point that out to me as if I don't. Still don't think he was involved in the plot and I doubt Margaery was either. Doesn't seem like her thing, she's desperate to be a Queen with anyone whether they're gay and into her brother more than her or a psychopath it doesn't matter to her.
Those captions with the images even mention the exact name of the poison. This is not something you can catch from watching the show.
What you posted was a book summary in image form...
Margaery - at least to me - very clearly knows what is going on. As much as she's wanted to be queen, you're always given the impression she's got an additional agenda behind her actions. There's no way she didn't know or had a say in the plot to kill Joffrey. She's smarter than many give her credit for I think.
Fair enough. Most of it was still said before in this thread, but there's a difference between supposition and confirmation. Like I said, I don't read the comments section for fear of spoilers, and i assumed this was just someone putting the pieces together. I've removed the link and I apologize for those who feel I spoiled the scene.
Tch - you're late. Over it. But props for the Diana Rigg love.Replicant said:
Who's posting drive by shitty comments now? Look, I'm not "going anywhere" with it. In fact: let it die. It's reasonable to theorize that a Tyrell conspiracy occurred, since a Tyrell just killed Joffrey. I'm not about to admit that is wrong, because it isn't. I have admitted to misreading the Oberyn scene. I've even admitted to skimming the thread, forgetting a bit from a previous episode, said I was sorry for making you mad, and tried a bit of levity, saying "it's only GAF - don't sweat this so much." We're done.ramyeon said:
Edit: Volimar removed the link so I am removing my mention of what was in it.
I'm gonna say we'll just have to agree to disagree then. I think she really wants to be queen and this is the second time the opportunity has been snatched away from her right before the deal was sealed. I don't doubt that she's smart - she had Joff around her little finger and there were moments where I thought with her influence he could have actually become a half decent person. But she's not as smart or cunning as Olenna. Olenna has stood toe to toe with Tywin, she's no pushover and I wouldn't put it past her taking things into her own hands once she heard horror stories about Joff from Sansa.
Doesn't look like it since you're still replying and all.
Joffrey being dead is all well and good, but I fear for how long Tyrion will last. I almost thought they'd kill him this episode (can you imagine my joy when that little shit died instead >
), but even now that his biggest 'enemy' is gone I think he ain't gonna last long. Especially now that he is essentially seen as the one who killed the king.
), but even now that his biggest 'enemy' is gone I think he ain't gonna last long. Especially now that he is essentially seen as the one who killed the king.
TheContact
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Joffrey being dead is all well and good, but I fear for how long Tyrion will last. I almost thought they'd kill him this episode (can you imagine my joy when that little shit died instead >
I'm hoping Jamie and maybe tywin rescues Tyrion. They're blood after all
The title really doesn't suggest anything.
It was a celebration between the Tyrell's (Rose) and the Lannisters (Lion).
YesNOnoNOYes
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Carfo, Curufinwe,
me too! I always think the dynamics between the Lannister characters is so intriguing. Jaime, before he lost his hand, seemed to be a very good fighter and the archetypal Lannister, unlike his tiny brother or his sister, so I felt Jaime was the middle ground between Tywin, Cersei and Tyrion. They all seemed cordial with him, with Cersei being much closer to him, ofc.
I don't know how he feels for Joff, but yeah, I doubt he would believe Tyrion did it. Though publicly I think he will support his sister/lover.... Unless she goes over-hysterical. That might pushes him towards Brienne, maybe. Much saner. Not at pretty, but probably not as unhinged either...
... I still don't understand why Olenna would get at Joff at his wedding though, timing-wise, I mean. Can someone enlighten me, pls~
me too! I always think the dynamics between the Lannister characters is so intriguing. Jaime, before he lost his hand, seemed to be a very good fighter and the archetypal Lannister, unlike his tiny brother or his sister, so I felt Jaime was the middle ground between Tywin, Cersei and Tyrion. They all seemed cordial with him, with Cersei being much closer to him, ofc.
I don't know how he feels for Joff, but yeah, I doubt he would believe Tyrion did it. Though publicly I think he will support his sister/lover.... Unless she goes over-hysterical. That might pushes him towards Brienne, maybe. Much saner. Not at pretty, but probably not as unhinged either...
... I still don't understand why Olenna would get at Joff at his wedding though, timing-wise, I mean. Can someone enlighten me, pls~
What.
It's growing into my favourite.
The two-minute segments every couple of episodes are getting frustrating though.
I need moaar.
I though Theon would've done it but felt the time wasn't right.
Uh no. If anything it's too damn short lol.
Yeah, they lose the crown and any influence they might have had. It all shifts back to Cersai again.
If it was them I'd expect them to weight until Marg had a kiddo and then off him. Marg would be Queen Regent and they could banish the Lannisters back to Casterly rock.
Killing him now, when Marg seems to have him, kinda, under wraps seems silly. Maybe they have another move ready.
First off, they don't show really much of it
Secondly, it's clear as day that the Bran arc will have a huge impact on the GoT world; so much build-up must culminate in something big. I didn't read the books and this all might go nowhere, but Bran was always special with his dreams and visions
Nameless
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I doubt Margaery knew. She was confident in her ability to handle Joffrey and never wavered in her desire to be Queen. Maybe you could argue Olenna told her the day of, but it's doubtful. Having Margaery remain ignorant protects her, which is largely why Olenna kills the king in the first place. Joffrey's death also delays Cersei & Loris' wedding indefinitely, buying Olenna time to destroy that alliance too.
-Olenna
-Ser Dantos
-Varys????? Throughout the festivities he looked like a man bracing for a shit storm. They made sure we see this. His knowledge doesn't necessarily mean he's involved, given his talents, but still. Hearing of whispers of a king's assassination and letting it happen is treasonous just the same. That's certainly something he'd do, though....for the good of the realm.
-Olenna
-Ser Dantos
-Varys????? Throughout the festivities he looked like a man bracing for a shit storm. They made sure we see this. His knowledge doesn't necessarily mean he's involved, given his talents, but still. Hearing of whispers of a king's assassination and letting it happen is treasonous just the same. That's certainly something he'd do, though....for the good of the realm.
Honestly, they can just fuck around for the next 3 or 4 episodes and people will still call it the best season ever.
Preview spoiler.
Based on the preview it looks like Margery is as surprised as anyone about Joff's death.
EatChildren
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I think Bran's could go interesting places but is suffering a bit from John Snow Season 2 at the moment where all he does is wander with five minutes of screen time every episode or two. He's a lot more interesting in the respect that some serious supernatural shit is going down, and his warging, but I hope there's some more developed revelations or surprises soonish. Bran's vision was really, really weak in my opinion. It looked fantastically visually, but like 90% of the shots used were recycled scenes from past episodes. Maybe that has relevance, but it seemed kinda like "HEY 2 SPOOKY" and that's about it.
Dany's vision was much more interesting as the scenes shown were visually stimulating relevant to the narrative.
Would there have been though? Sansa doesn't seemed framed at all unless there's a trail evident in the next episode. Sansa has always been in danger to some degree. A dead Joffrey paints her as a natural suspect, but drunk dude was quick to swoop in and at the very least get her away from the wedding. Maybe she is being framed and that will be evident next time, but I dunno.
To me if you're going to assassinate the king this way you want to hide or destroy as much of the damaging evidence as possible, that being the poison, and so far that's worked. Hell, Tyrion is only implicated by chance, much like many people.
Dany's vision was much more interesting as the scenes shown were visually stimulating relevant to the narrative.
Would there have been though? Sansa doesn't seemed framed at all unless there's a trail evident in the next episode. Sansa has always been in danger to some degree. A dead Joffrey paints her as a natural suspect, but drunk dude was quick to swoop in and at the very least get her away from the wedding. Maybe she is being framed and that will be evident next time, but I dunno.
To me if you're going to assassinate the king this way you want to hide or destroy as much of the damaging evidence as possible, that being the poison, and so far that's worked. Hell, Tyrion is only implicated by chance, much like many people.
Spoiler from the interview post Purple wedding with the director of the episode:
He said that they gave him all the big stuff this season and he's directing episodes 3, 8 and 10.
This is something that I don't like about the story. I know Joffery is (was
) a lannister literally, but his surname was still baratheon. I wish they emphasized that a bit more.Finally watched the second episode and it sure scratched my itches.
Screencaps galore!
Also, this shot (coupled with Dany's visions) pretty much confirms the iron throne will be nothing more than a useless chair by the end of the story.
EatChildren
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WILL THE TREND CONTINUE?
Few pages old but honestly, Tommen comes off as someone easier to control than Joffrey. Sure, Joffrey's fear of his grandfather allowed him to control him for now but he was too much of a psychopath that would have gotten harder and harder to control as his ego grew.
This is something that I don't like about the story. I know Joffery is (was
Also, this shot (coupled with Dany's visions) pretty much confirms the iron throne will be nothing more than a useless chair by the end of the story.
It COULD happen. Nothing is set in stone.
So a day after the purple wedding, my thoughts about the murderer of Joffrey changed;
Olenna is still the prime suspect because of her obvious hatred of the king (and her numerous talks with Sansa), but I can't help but feel that's she not the real killer. I don't think Sansa is capable of murder even if everyone (sans Olenna) took a piss on her family. But she was taken away so quickly... I can't help but think that our wayward friend Little Finger has something to do with it. Yeah, he's off somewhere else, but I wouldn't be surprised if he still has several spies and pawns within King's Landing. I mean, if by some chance they would target Sansa as a suspect and kill her, he could never forgive himself because of his love for Catelyn Stark. Maybe Olenna reached out to Little Finger? Or others maybe?
So, I wouldn't be surprised it this kill was planned by a group of people, not just one individual.
Olenna is still the prime suspect because of her obvious hatred of the king (and her numerous talks with Sansa), but I can't help but feel that's she not the real killer. I don't think Sansa is capable of murder even if everyone (sans Olenna) took a piss on her family. But she was taken away so quickly... I can't help but think that our wayward friend Little Finger has something to do with it. Yeah, he's off somewhere else, but I wouldn't be surprised if he still has several spies and pawns within King's Landing. I mean, if by some chance they would target Sansa as a suspect and kill her, he could never forgive himself because of his love for Catelyn Stark. Maybe Olenna reached out to Little Finger? Or others maybe?
So, I wouldn't be surprised it this kill was planned by a group of people, not just one individual.
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Swooping her away made her even more suspicious. I say Olenna will put her in some place where Tywin can find her easily and the neglace with the missing stone will be all the evidence he needs to sentence her to death. I say the stone will somehow still be in the cup so they can make a connection to the neglace. She put too much effort in the neglace for it to be just a smuggle device.
yeah, episode 2 was just filler.
Well he mentioned episode 2 as well, but I was more referring to the future of the season.
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I think Sansa would murder Joffrey in his sleep if she got the opportunity. But she doesn't have the connections or the smarts to poison him, also getting surprise rescued by someone doesn't really feel like she planned it.
If she would have done it, I bet she would just kill herself and be done with it.
If she would have done it, I bet she would just kill herself and be done with it.
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I'm rewatching it and why has Ramsey only just been introduced to Bolton's wife?
Bolton obviously kept Ramsey around if he would trust him with taking winterfell and controlling the Dreadfort, so I find it hard to believe that they've not interacted before
Bolton obviously kept Ramsey around if he would trust him with taking winterfell and controlling the Dreadfort, so I find it hard to believe that they've not interacted before
he only just got that wife from from walder frey did he not? I think he mentions it in the red wedding episode to Catalyn.
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Oh. I always thought that he married her ages ago but I guess it makes sense that it was a recent marriage
I think my boy got his prize pig from Frey. I remember him saying he can select a woman and get her weight in gold as well so he took the fattest one there.
Hm I didn't get that impression from that shot. I took it as something like King's Landing will move, metaphorically, to the north. Or perhaps King's Landing will be covered in metaphorical cold? Dunno.
Nameless
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That's true, Sansa leaving abruptly does make her and Tyrion look more suspicious, but it was a wise thing to do. Even with Tyrion locked away this is going to create an enormous witch hunt. From the audience's perspective she's a prime suspects based mostly off how much she's suffered at Joffrey's hands. Why would the Lannisters come to a different conclusion? Look how far they went in rooting out the Brotherhood, ramping up even more when Tywin suspected an attempt on his life had been made.
It very well could be open season on all Lannister enemies.
Dang. Just subscribe to this one and only access it through your Subscriptions.
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I would have liked to see a lot more with Bran, because it feels like his story is going NO WHERE, than see Theon tortured for 5 episodes.
I still don't get why Bran didn't do something when he saw Jon last season. It's like "Oh, there's my bro. I'll see him later I guess".
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