Another vote for read from the beginning. The explanations of the history of Westeros and insight from what the characters say in their inner monologue will be like a whole new level for you.
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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO
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Another vote for read from the beginning. The explanations of the history of Westeros and insight from what the characters say in their inner monologue will be like a whole new level for you.
Overall, enjoyed the second season, although for me the first season left a much bigger impact. I was disappointed they spent too much time during some critical late episodes repeating the... "you are the mother of dragons", "I am the mother of dragons" thing, when that time could have been put to better use like the adult Starks learning of what has happened at Winterfell... but oh well.
The burning of Winterfell while not anti-climatic, it did seem kind of confusing as to what went down. Hopefully they tidy that up with a few lines of dialogue next season.
The House of the Undying was a bit of a letdown, especially when they seemed to keep pushing the sequence back until the last episode... at least the dragon's have leveled up and the "flamethrower achievement" has been unlocked.
Stannis showing up all the way back home when it very much looked like he was at least captured in the previous episode was a tad jarring. Looking forward to rewatching that sequence when the blu-ray is released. Might spot it better with the armour or whatever.
Loved the ending "cliffhanger", which makes me eager for next season, now less than one year away!!
The best line of the second season, "There's no cure for being a cunt."
The burning of Winterfell while not anti-climatic, it did seem kind of confusing as to what went down. Hopefully they tidy that up with a few lines of dialogue next season.
The House of the Undying was a bit of a letdown, especially when they seemed to keep pushing the sequence back until the last episode... at least the dragon's have leveled up and the "flamethrower achievement" has been unlocked.
Stannis showing up all the way back home when it very much looked like he was at least captured in the previous episode was a tad jarring. Looking forward to rewatching that sequence when the blu-ray is released. Might spot it better with the armour or whatever.
Loved the ending "cliffhanger", which makes me eager for next season, now less than one year away!!
The best line of the second season, "There's no cure for being a cunt."
I thought I liked some of the characters after watching the first season but I liked them even more after reading the first book. Getting into their heads and understanding what they were thinking made them so much better.
theignoramus
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I wish they'd actually shown something when Stannis looked in the fire. If he's having an epiphany let us see it.
It showed Tywin's horse, the stallion who shits on the iron throne.
PsychoSoldier
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I think the problem with that as well as some of the stuff they cut from THOTU was simply they don't want to accidentally give away (or hint at) anything that they see.
Could just be budget issues, too.
There's nothing there. He's convincing himself he's seeing something in order to justify keeping on going.
Or he doesn't actually see anything and just convinces himself that he does.
EleventhDoctor
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I smell a meme coming!
theignoramus
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(SoS spoiler)
I thought Stannis and Melisandre saw
I thought Stannis and Melisandre saw
the deaths of Robb, Balon, and Joffrey in the flames?
Chuck Norris
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It wasn't that different.
Jibbajabbawockky
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I wished they had a little more ice armor or something to better differentiate them from the Wights.
They totally remind of the Draugr in Skyrim though.
Oh yeah, this was odd. I wasn't entirely sure whether those were his troops or not holding him back at the end of episode 9. Somehow he gets off the ramparts and back on a boat? That threw me a bit. It seemed pretty easy for him.
Yes they did, in episode 9 he clearly explains to Jon what must be done.
PhoenixDark
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Eh, I'll have to watch it again. It started strong and just got ridiculous. Didn't like the Others, House Of the Undying, Jon's stuff (outside of the final shot)..
Everything in King's Landing continues to be strong, even the Ros stuff thanks to Varys. Maybe Varys is sending her to Dany after all
They completely ruined Arya and Jon's storylines, I'm sorry. Not going to be a book purist asshole, but that was just shameful shit
Everything in King's Landing continues to be strong, even the Ros stuff thanks to Varys. Maybe Varys is sending her to Dany after all
They completely ruined Arya and Jon's storylines, I'm sorry. Not going to be a book purist asshole, but that was just shameful shit
It's enough that ASOS will not make any sense if you went from TV S2 -> ASOS. The books are all about tying events, conversations, characters, subplots from one scene to other much later down the line. So much of ASOS pulls from events, characters, dialogues that just did not happen in TV S2.
I loved the episode, and overall I really enjoyed this season. I'm not too upset at any of the changes from book ---> to show because it's following along well enough to convey the story. Never really cared to see every single scene play out similarly like many here do, but I do have very high expectations for next season and one scene in particular.
dead souls
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It really is. I wanted to love it, but it's coming in a distant third place out of the three Sunday night dramas I'm currently watching. Of course Mad Men is better (even though I have my issues with that show), but in a rather shocking turn of events The Borgias is kicking its ass as well.
I don't get the complaints for Jon's storyline other than they really cut down on Qhorin and his badassness. He tells Jon that he has to do it when the time comes in episode 7 so the time came this episode and jon knew what to do. Isn't that what happens in the books?
Other than that Varys was awesome, Brienne was badass, and that Luwin scene was depressing as hell.
Other than that Varys was awesome, Brienne was badass, and that Luwin scene was depressing as hell.
The episode was a mixed bag of good and bad. Theon yet again stole the show. They've done really incredible stuff with that character and the crazy part is the his best stuff is yet to come. They pulled off the castle turnover well considering
absence. Will be sweeter when we find out next season that
Really would have preferred that they stuck closely to the book regarding the fall of Winterfall as it has a fucked up
but they went through with the story their own way. Weeker story overall but not that bad. They were able to pull it off by strong performances from Theon and Luwin.
I also enjoyed the scenes with Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger, Stannis/Melissandre, Arya and Jaqen. I love when Jaqen and Arya talk with each other, and the way they handled the face change is okay with me. The last shot with Sam and the Whitewalkers/Dead was also done pretty well although I don't understand why the Whitewalker didn't kill him then. They kill everyone and anyone they can. It's what they do. They don't discriminate. I don't get it.
On the bad side of things I would have to point out the Jaimie/Brienne scene. The fight looked terrible and during that scene you could tell it's missing George's snappier dialogue. Feels like watered down Jaime vs Brienne. They also totally butchered Jon's story from the books. A very bad adaptation of his story. A couple of shots of Ghosts early on but no
Ghost doesn't find the dragonglass. Oh, the others just happen to stumble upon it in this vast bleak white wasteland. Really? Rattleshirt being the one who cut Jon loose too? Really? Wtf? I liked seeing Ygritte smack Jon outside the head with Longclaw while teasing him but that's about it for Jon's scenes in this episode. They casted a pretty damn good Ygritte... That's at least one bright spot on the season regarding Jon's story.
Daenerys' HOU scene had both it's good and bad. Not seeing
was a serious bummer but it was cool to see Drogo again. I can't recall if he was in that scene in the books. I also liked the imagery for the most part. Nice transition from the ash covered throne, to the wall, to the hut. That shot of the dragons burning Pyat was cheesey looking though. Also, what's with them killing Xaros? Not an important character in the books going forward but that was unusually cruel. Especially killing her handmaid for sleeping with some guy? She's USUALLY the merciful one.
The season was okay overall. It disappointed me because it didn't live up to the hype I had going into it and it didn't do the books justice in the way the first season did but I suppose I expected too much. Should have reminded myself that they had to compress all that material into a 10 episode run. There's just no way they could do justice to the book given how much stuff went on in there compared to GOT. Still, despite being somewhat disappointed I really enjoyed the season.
Reek's
Ramsay skinned Theon's men anyway.
twist later on with the story of all the Reeks
I also enjoyed the scenes with Tyrion, Varys, Littlefinger, Stannis/Melissandre, Arya and Jaqen. I love when Jaqen and Arya talk with each other, and the way they handled the face change is okay with me. The last shot with Sam and the Whitewalkers/Dead was also done pretty well although I don't understand why the Whitewalker didn't kill him then. They kill everyone and anyone they can. It's what they do. They don't discriminate. I don't get it.
On the bad side of things I would have to point out the Jaimie/Brienne scene. The fight looked terrible and during that scene you could tell it's missing George's snappier dialogue. Feels like watered down Jaime vs Brienne. They also totally butchered Jon's story from the books. A very bad adaptation of his story. A couple of shots of Ghosts early on but no
body jacking?
Daenerys' HOU scene had both it's good and bad. Not seeing
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The season was okay overall. It disappointed me because it didn't live up to the hype I had going into it and it didn't do the books justice in the way the first season did but I suppose I expected too much. Should have reminded myself that they had to compress all that material into a 10 episode run. There's just no way they could do justice to the book given how much stuff went on in there compared to GOT. Still, despite being somewhat disappointed I really enjoyed the season.
With Jon, it's not this episode's scene so much as it is Jon's story this whole season. It started off great and reached an incredible peak when he was about to behead Ygritte, and totally fucking cratered down hill from there. You can construct a whole ruined and icy throne room for house of undying scene, dragon flame throwers, giant vaults with nothing in them, and an army of wights but you can't [ACOK]
replicate the sound of a motherfucking eagle and have Jon and Qhorin run around in the snow?
He's going to be fucking Doreah until the end of days. Not a bad vault to be in if you ask me.
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thats what happens when they rush the love stories like talisa and robb and jon and ygritte (who is awesome so I don't mind as much) it takes away from the the actual important stuff that happened in book 2. It seems like they are doing their best to make the season 3 and 4 deaths even more devastating even if its at the cost of season 2 being crappier storyline wise. Only downside is that its not just the characters like Robb and Jon that the love interests are cutting away from they are effecting Arya's storyline too
more like for two days until he starts starving and eats her alive.
Chuck Norris
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My opinion on the "made up" content. It has been a mix of good and bad, I really think they need to be careful with how they adapt some of these characters, and make sure what they are doing is true to the character. I think they'll need to do quite a bit of it in later seasons so its good they get the practice now.
I get the feeling the pre-production / production was a bit rushed, there was a lot of high quality stuff but it felt like a lot of the visual language was lost or didn't make sense because of poor planning. Like in Blackwater, Stannis rushes up a ladder and then he kinda stands around on a balcony fighting people I guess? That made no sense to me. Its like they wanted him in the battle, but they needed to get him out of the way. Then he gets dragged away by unrecognizable guards, making it look like he has been captured. Very confusing stuff.
This season had quite a bit of that and really smacks of a bit of poor planning. Again in this episode, Sam trips over and his friends run off, so he hides behind a rock? I mean it's a much easier scene to compose than having him running away from a horde, but it also makes little sense, especially for him to survive that.
It's these little 1%ers that the show is missing at the moment.
I get the feeling the pre-production / production was a bit rushed, there was a lot of high quality stuff but it felt like a lot of the visual language was lost or didn't make sense because of poor planning. Like in Blackwater, Stannis rushes up a ladder and then he kinda stands around on a balcony fighting people I guess? That made no sense to me. Its like they wanted him in the battle, but they needed to get him out of the way. Then he gets dragged away by unrecognizable guards, making it look like he has been captured. Very confusing stuff.
This season had quite a bit of that and really smacks of a bit of poor planning. Again in this episode, Sam trips over and his friends run off, so he hides behind a rock? I mean it's a much easier scene to compose than having him running away from a horde, but it also makes little sense, especially for him to survive that.
It's these little 1%ers that the show is missing at the moment.
pulga
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Random stuff off of tumblr:
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Think we'll ever see new-Jaqen as the Alchemist in Oldtown? :O
Definitely hookin up with Dan Weiss, I see no other explanation!
RamzaIsCool
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I would've redone the episode with a few changes.
For one, cut out the Stannis bit. No one needs to know whether Stanis Baratheon is still alive, or that he's still allied with Melisandre. Could've waited until next season.
Second, Ros or whoever. Cut that out.
Third, I want to hear Tywin's rationale for why his son is sleeping in a room that isn't fit for a prisoner.
Where is Bronn? "Relieved of his command." Someone might assume he is dead with the way Cersei does things.
Also, why not have Sansa do...anything? Just have her get on a horse or something. The Hound offered to help her in the last episode, and now she's receiving help from the guy who backstabs everyone? People automatically assume that the king is going to torture and eventually kill any ex-queen/fiancee. That's a heck of a place to leave that.
Tywin left Harrenhal in the hands of The Mountain. Jaquen killed a bunch of guards to help Arya escape. So where is The Mountain now? I know he's not dead, but what is he doing now?
I'm sure this is explained in the book, but Bran and Rickon are awfully casual about their entire city being burned to the ground. They know Theon's men didn't do it. They have to know. So why not leave this part until next season? They could begin with a burnt Winterfell, and show who did it and why.
For one, cut out the Stannis bit. No one needs to know whether Stanis Baratheon is still alive, or that he's still allied with Melisandre. Could've waited until next season.
Second, Ros or whoever. Cut that out.
Third, I want to hear Tywin's rationale for why his son is sleeping in a room that isn't fit for a prisoner.
Where is Bronn? "Relieved of his command." Someone might assume he is dead with the way Cersei does things.
Also, why not have Sansa do...anything? Just have her get on a horse or something. The Hound offered to help her in the last episode, and now she's receiving help from the guy who backstabs everyone? People automatically assume that the king is going to torture and eventually kill any ex-queen/fiancee. That's a heck of a place to leave that.
Tywin left Harrenhal in the hands of The Mountain. Jaquen killed a bunch of guards to help Arya escape. So where is The Mountain now? I know he's not dead, but what is he doing now?
I'm sure this is explained in the book, but Bran and Rickon are awfully casual about their entire city being burned to the ground. They know Theon's men didn't do it. They have to know. So why not leave this part until next season? They could begin with a burnt Winterfell, and show who did it and why.
Tyrion is wearing the proof of his courage across his face now. I'm sure Tywin will acknowledge his actions at some point.
Hours Left
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What was the last thing that Littlefinger said to Sansa?
"We're all better than you"?
"We're all better than you"?
they let the nights watch guy live in the first episode.
Well, looking forward to the next season wasting 9 1/2 episodes just to see what happens next with the ice zombies...
And I really hated the little girl not going with Jaqen. That guy is the coolest character on TV! I would kill to just follow him around let alone be trained by him. She would have been unstoppable! Fuck her tooth pick of a sword, she should have been his pupil.
Anyone reading the books; do they mention Jaqen again? I REALLY want to see him again. Is mentioned further in the books? If yes, which ones so I can read them now!
And I really hated the little girl not going with Jaqen. That guy is the coolest character on TV! I would kill to just follow him around let alone be trained by him. She would have been unstoppable! Fuck her tooth pick of a sword, she should have been his pupil.
Anyone reading the books; do they mention Jaqen again? I REALLY want to see him again. Is mentioned further in the books? If yes, which ones so I can read them now!
My cousin was really confused about white walkers vs wights, he thought they were all white walkers. Same thing happened with the Otaku guy. Oh and two of my predictions about House of Undying scene ended up being true. One was that she was going to go beyond the wall and the other was that one of the doors would lead to the throne room.
They tried to pack way too much into this season. Bran's story could have been slowed down a bit, Luwin's death and Winterfell burning wasn't even that emotional so yeah they could have waited till next season. This season wasn't even Clash of Kings, it was Clash of Kings with Storm of Swords mixed in and now they have 20 episodes for Storm of Swords.
They tried to pack way too much into this season. Bran's story could have been slowed down a bit, Luwin's death and Winterfell burning wasn't even that emotional so yeah they could have waited till next season. This season wasn't even Clash of Kings, it was Clash of Kings with Storm of Swords mixed in and now they have 20 episodes for Storm of Swords.
Better liars than her, I thought is what he meant.
Yeah, in quotes "Everyone of us is better than you" (Implying they're better liar's than her)
Gen.Grievous
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Great finale. That ending was better than expected. I expected them to show it at night with the wights climbing up the Fist but they showed the Others and their wights in full glory. Holy shit moment indeed.
It's people like you that make me sick to be honest. Go read the effing books and stay out of this thread if all you do is whine about things that are changed. You clearly don't have a clue about what good television is.
AlphaDragoon
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I loved when Dany said "fuck this shit" and just went all Targaryen on everyone, starting with Pyat Pree on down to Xaro and Doreah, then taking all his stuff. Reminded me of awesome book Dany.
Great episode. Would be interesting to see how expensive the last two episodes were compared to the rest of the season.
I really did enjoy every moment in this episode. Even the Ros scene was good, if only because it touched on Littlefinger vs. Varys.
Overall, an inconsistent season, but the last two episodes were pretty special.
Oh, and in the end, I really could have done without the extra Robb stuff. I understand why HBO added it in (+1 love story, keep Robb around), but holy fuck was it forgettable (apart from Oona's ass).
I really did enjoy every moment in this episode. Even the Ros scene was good, if only because it touched on Littlefinger vs. Varys.
Overall, an inconsistent season, but the last two episodes were pretty special.
Oh, and in the end, I really could have done without the extra Robb stuff. I understand why HBO added it in (+1 love story, keep Robb around), but holy fuck was it forgettable (apart from Oona's ass).
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