It came off really weird in the show though. I'm not sure I'd even understand that that was what he meant if I hadn't remembered that line from the books. Especially with her saying she wasn't good enough for joffrey moments earlier, it kindof seemed like a cruel reply to that.
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It came off really weird in the show though. I'm not sure I'd even understand that that was what he meant if I hadn't remembered that line from the books. Especially with her saying she wasn't good enough for joffrey moments earlier, it kindof seemed like a cruel reply to that.
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I had some major problems with this season, but I thought this episode was pretty fantastic. I love ACOK, it's one of my favourites, but many of the major characters have very minor roles in the book. The TV show needed to keep them relevant, which led to many hours of unfocused TV. SOS keeps everyone around doing something, so I expect the TV show to improve considerably.
That said, I still can't even imagine how they'll handle AFFC/ADWD.
That said, I still can't even imagine how they'll handle AFFC/ADWD.
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So this is the new Lost thread?
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I just like the show, dudes. I also made that awesome Nick Fury joke.
Doesn't that count for anything?
Shame about
not being in the House of the Undying, but I have to say I loved the scene with Dany and Drogo.
Tyrion reaffirms the fact that he is the only Lannister I well and truly like. Brienne is a badarse.
Great episode. Regardless of some nitpicks, I have definitely loved this season and is probably on par with the first. We'll see how it goes upon rewatch.
Rhaeger
Tyrion reaffirms the fact that he is the only Lannister I well and truly like. Brienne is a badarse.
Great episode. Regardless of some nitpicks, I have definitely loved this season and is probably on par with the first. We'll see how it goes upon rewatch.
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It's not really a major role. He just shows up in Meereen to try to convince her to take the ships and leave, and then vanishes (and Qarth declares war). I wouldn't be surprised if they cut the whole thing out, or just have someone say "oh noez, Qarth has sent a fleet to join against us!". If the show ever get that far, that is.
100% guarantee you Clarke never does nudity on the show again.
brianjones
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her tits arent anything special anyway
ChiTownBuffalo
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They were still nice to see.
Basileus777
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What are you basing this on? It's not like she's become a star with the cachet to refuse.
She IS one of the stars of the show though, and is this season showed, she DOES have the pull to refuse. The only reason for never having Dany stripped down this season (and we know the execs push for it) would be Clarke refusing to do so.
Well there is that rumour of her having a no-nudity clause inserted into her contract.
Exactly. In S1, she had nothing to bargain with. Want the role? Take off your shirt. Then the show becomes a big hit and she's one of the stars and gets her agent to rework her deal. S2 onwards? No nudity.
Sho_Nuff82
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Little bit from column A, little bit from column B. Remember Tyrion's story about being assigned the noble task of being head of sanitation at Casterly Rock? Let's just say that Tywin is none too pleased that his eldest son is a Kingsguard member who can never wed or hold lands.
Her ass has been already been framed for posterity by the camera, anyway.
Indeed. I'm just saying that I bet we'll never see it again.
fabricated backlash
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I must say I enjoy the show, didn't read the books, but Drogos death was infuriating. I don't care much for all the intrigant shits except for Tyrion, and Khal Drogo at least didn't even want to hide his brutality behind etiquette, vows and all the other bullshit that happens in Westeros. No he just said to himself... hey my Khaleesi wants that weird throne? Well we're going to get it, kill and loot and rape and my son will have even more room and lands to roam. Straight to the point.
The scene with him and Dany really reminded me how awfull his demise was. A mere scratch and some poison and dark magic...
That and not a lot of story justification this time, either. I have no doubt Clarke wouldn't mind getting naked again for a scene of contextual importance like the season 1 finale, but there aren't really any plot excuses it anymore.
Bu-bu-but Qarth dresses
Good episode. However, it leaves many unanswered questions.
Who was the richest man in Qarth? Will we ever know?
Doesn't mean she will get naked for it. Lena Headley, who has ton a metric shitton of nudity prior to GoT, has done none in the show either, despite her character sleeping with everyone. Granted, she was preggers in S1, but she wasn't in S2.
Which is to simply say: not all contracts are created equal.
Nudity is fine when it has meaning or context (most of Dany's S1 scenes) but of course where GoT has stumbled is when it has none nudity for exploitative/perverse reasons, which is more often that not.
Dany after stepping into the fire? Good nudity.
Littlefinger monologuing while Ros and a whore go to town on eachother? Bad nudity.
Dany after stepping into the fire? Good nudity.
Littlefinger monologuing while Ros and a whore go to town on eachother? Bad nudity.
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I just needed a post to post my gif.
Bah, time to watch the ending again >3
I really wish the book readers would keep the fuck away from discussion of the tv show. We all get it...you're superior to those of us who haven't read them, and your brilliant insights are pure gold...now please go about your business and let us enjoy our fucking drama series. We TV people don't bug you when your nose in buried in your books/ereader and say "needs more nudity/explosions"
That said, I loved this season. Some of the quiet moments were just as intense as the big action scenes. For me, the dialog, especially when Tyrion was involved, was one of the highlights of the show as a whole.
That said, I loved this season. Some of the quiet moments were just as intense as the big action scenes. For me, the dialog, especially when Tyrion was involved, was one of the highlights of the show as a whole.
Erm, this thread is for watchers of the show who have already read the books. There's another thread for your illiterate kind!
theignoramus
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*NO BOOK SPOILERS* Game of Thrones - Season 2 - Sundays on HBO
most book readers "keep the fuck away from the discussion" in that thread. maybe you should check that out.
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There's a thread dedicated specifically for those who haven't read the books. This isn't it.
reggieandTFE
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Or it might be that her husband died, she's still grieving, tryin to stay alive and hasn't taken another lover?
I like both threads and can understand the book readers having issues as long as they understand that non book readers really don't care. The show is awesome on its own and the readers make me less interested in the book until after the series is done since there are apparently some big deviations that don't seem that big and work nicely with the TV story.
For example, I loved the undying scenes. In fact, the main thing I didn't like was Robb's wedding which seemed out of place for book or TV.
For example, I loved the undying scenes. In fact, the main thing I didn't like was Robb's wedding which seemed out of place for book or TV.
What does having a lover got to do with Game of Thrones' nudity excuses?
Sho_Nuff82
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I don't hate the show. I realize, having gone through Harry Potter and LOTR, that any adaptation, no matter how high-budgeted, will skip story beats from a book hundreds of pages long. But the guys overseeing the HP universe realized that there were some narrative threads that tied all the books together. So while we don't get Hermoine's civil rights activism, we get all of the Tom Riddle backstory and enough of Snape so the finale makes sense.
The writers here have already taken a few substantial liberties with not just omissions, but completely changed events/characterizations. While this works in some cases (refreshingly so), in others it's simply baffling for those of us who know where the story is headed. I don't mind them pushing some revelations and characters to the beginning of season 3. I do mind completely omitting character-defining moments or overarching mythology that's central to the plot.
As ludicrious as it sounds, I swear there could be a third, middle-ground thread :lol
- One for non-book readers (already exists);
- One for book readers who care deeply about the books and how they are adapted (already exists - this thread);
- One for book readers who don't particularly care how faithful the show is or isn't to the books and don't spend time complaining about it (this would be the new thread)
I'm not suggesting we go to three threads, as that would be incredibly convoluted/silly, but I do share the sentiments of many in here who tire of the incessant comparisons/rants about the superiority of the books from the book lovers.
Basileus777
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This is silly, and not really any different from asking for a thread with only positive comments allowed.
his magic is stronger when dany is near her dragons so his plan was to chain her up in a room with them as a power source. for why he didn't think things through I have no idea.
That could actually be acknowledging that the show is great if not for the books.
Not at all. What I am saying is that any and all criticisms of GoT as a television show are completely welcome and encouraged. Lord knows, its a country fucking mile from perfect (and a country mile away from HBO's top shows, for that matter).
But a good 75% of the complaints in this thread aren't criticisms of the show itself, but rather at it not following/changing/omitting stuff from the books, which is what many of us are tired beyond belief of hearing. Oh, they changed Asha's name to Yora? Fucking deal with it.
Basileus777
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That wasn't my implication, even that thread would have its detractors. But as annoying as the book quibbling can be, excluding criticism from the thread is silly, and not something anyone would consider for another TV thread on GAF.
We can't even keep spoilers out of the wrong place, there would be no practical way of enforcing this kind of separation.
So one for book readers that don't care about the quality of the show?
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I just needed a post to post my gif.
Dude -- greatest WTF face ever. Kudos on that gif.
He knew that at best the dragons could cook steaks and going off what Varys said, it took years for dragons to mature enough to be dangerous- something he would have known too. What he didn't know is how much influence Dany had on the dragons.
The missing link was how powerful Dany was & I think they set this up a couple of episodes ago. She is one of a kind even by her family's standards. I love how the show constanty underestimates the power of magic/the unkown.
Being stringent to the source =/= quality.
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The complaining from both sides is beginning to grow dull. The novels are going to get compared to the adaptation in a thread primarily aimed at book readers - those who post here will have to live with it as there's nothing in the rules of the thread that discourage it.
Having said that there have been some over-exaggerations and hyperbole thrown around with regards to changes, and I can see why those who care little about wishing to see a faithful adaptation would grow weary. By this point, however, the complaints regarding those that have berated the show for changes over-shadows those actually making the inane statements.
The best thing to do would be to stop drawing attention to it every time a book-show comparison you dislike is made; you're only encouraging that discussion to evolve by doing so.
I'm fine with two threads and as a non-book reader simply take my chances. I also agree that valid complaints are...valid.
That said, book readers have to realize that we, overall, don't care about the deviations. Casting choices are irrelevant since book desriptions of charcaters are irrelevant as long as the actor can play the part- something that appears to me that they do.
I like this thread because the other is a 100% No Book at all thread and I think there are things and backstory missing that helps fill in the TV show and have nothing really to do with spoiling.
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