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[JerkShep]

I'll give the book reader something to rage about. I don't know if it was already known, but apparently episode 2 confirms that

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Shireen does not exist in the series. Melisandre says that Stannis's wife has given him only stillborns

I personally don't care, but since it seems a rather important change I wanted to share.
Another "big" change I noticed is that episode 2 spoiler

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Bronn becomes the new commander of the City Guard after Slint

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Well, Van Houten is a very common Dutch last name ("From Houten", Houten being a city in NL). So there's really no reason to link it to anything.

Hope that helps

 

[Frost_Ace]

I'll give the book reader something to rage about. I don't know if it was already known, but apparently episode 2 confirms that

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Shireen does not exist in the series. Melisandre says that Stannis's wife has given him only stillborns

I personally don't care, but since it seems a rather important change I wanted to share.
Another "big" change I noticed is that episode 2 spoiler

Spoiler

Bronn becomes the new commander of the City Guard after Slint

:/

 

[ValleyJoe]

I'll give the book reader something to rage about. I don't know if it was already known, but apparently episode 2 confirms that

Spoiler

Shireen does not exist in the series. Melisandre says that Stannis's wife has given him only stillborns

I personally don't care, but since it seems a rather important change I wanted to share.
Another "big" change I noticed is that episode 2 spoiler

Spoiler

Bronn becomes the new commander of the City Guard after Slint

Hmm that seems weird and somewhat disappointing. I don't really mind them making changes that actually help the show work better in the tv format, but both of those seem unnecessary to me.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Hmm that seems weird and somewhat disappointing. I don't really mind them making changes that actually help the show work better in the tv format, but both of those seem unnecessary to me.

But isn't that why they made the changes, because logistically it would work better in the TV format? If you were making it, you feel that they could have avoided those changes?

If so, how?

Legit curious, especially since this sort of thing is sure to keep coming up. I'm highly interested in what people consider to be things easy to pull off in the adaptation versus things that they're willing to concede.

 

[JerkShep]

Hmm that seems weird and somewhat disappointing. I don't really mind them making changes that actually help the show work better in the tv format, but both of those seem unnecessary to me.

I'm not actually 100% sure because their dialogue was somewhat focused on still ep 2 spoiler

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male sons, but Melisandre seems to imply that Stannis has no heir at all

 

[Tacitus_]

I'll give the book reader something to rage about. I don't know if it was already known, but apparently episode 2 confirms that

Spoiler

Shireen does not exist in the series. Melisandre says that Stannis's wife has given him only stillborns

I personally don't care, but since it seems a rather important change I wanted to share.
Another "big" change I noticed is that episode 2 spoiler

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Bronn becomes the new commander of the City Guard after Slint

False. She says

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that she has given her only daughters and stillborns and promises Stannis a boy

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[Emerson]

episode 2 spoiler

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wtf at the ending. that did not happen in the book, did it? fucking weird, but still, weirdly awesome how the show made me so surprised by it... or maybe im just starting to forget stuff seeing it was ages ago i read that book

What happened?

 

[Basileus777]

Another "big" change I noticed is that episode 2 spoiler

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Bronn becomes the new commander of the City Guard after Slint

That's a change that makes sense.

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There's no reason to introduce Jacelyn Bywater when Bronn can fill that role too.

 

[ValleyJoe]

But isn't that why they made the changes, because logistically it would work better in the TV format? If you were making it, you feel that they could have avoided those changes?

If so, how?

Legit curious, especially since this sort of thing is sure to keep coming up. I'm highly interested in what people consider to be things easy to pull off in the adaptation versus things that they're willing to concede.

I'm certainly not as up in arms about it as a lot of people will surely be. Honestly I don't really care that much at all, but I would have liked to have seen Shireen and Patchface personally. I don't really see how it would have been so difficult to write her in as a very minor character, especially considering the subplot with

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waking the stone dragon that is mentioned many times in the book, with the implication that Shireen might need to be sacraficed to R'hlor do it.

I guess I'm actually not upset with the changes so much as that now there will be a massive flood of die hards who rage hard about it amongst other things. The Bronn change, I don't even really mind. Anything to have him in more scenes is fine with me.

edit-and now after reading Tacitus post, it seems it might not even be the case at all. She could very well still be in the show.

 

[Aiii]

That's a change that makes sense.

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There's no reason to introduce Jacelyn Bywater when Bronn can fill that role too.

Very much so, the show is overheavy on new characters as it is for 10 episodes a season.

 

[PairOfFilthySocks]

I thought Stannis was perfectly played, especially during the prayer/prophesy part. He draws the sword, says the words, puts the sword down and is done with it. Wonderfully done.

I love how, as he's leaving, he looks around for his wife, waits a second for her, and then just goes,"ah, fuck it", and walks off before she reaches him.

 

[JerkShep]

False. She says

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that she has given her only daughters and stillborns and promises Stannis a boy

.

Nope. ep 2 spoiler

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"She's given you nothing. No sons. Only stillborns. Only death" There is no daughters in that sentence

As I said, I can't be 100% sure but the dialogue and the scene from ep 1 seems to imply it.

 

[Basileus777]

Eh. (Ep 2/General Books spoilers)

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Shireen has served no meaningful purpose in the books, I don't think anything is lost by cutting her.

There are already more than enough characters and subplots, cutting the fat is a necessity for this adaptation.

 

[Micerider]

Very much so, the show is overheavy on new characters as it is for 10 episodes a season.

Beside they already did that in the 1st season. Jory was a bit of a mix of Jory, Tommard and Poole in the series. That saves quite a few character to cast and script in the series.

I was not shocked to discover that, you cannot expect a TV Show to play with hundreds of actual characters (an I am not even talking about "background" ordinary folks here). The books are too rich in character for the serie's sake. Best to focus on fewer character if they manage to still make sense out of it.

 

[Emerson]

Eh. (Ep 2/General Books spoilers)

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Shireen has served no meaningful purpose in the books, I don't think anything is lost by cutting her.

There are already more than enough characters and subplots, cutting the fat is a necessity for this adaptation.

True, but why not just leave it unmentioned, in case it becomes important later? Totally writing it out just seems kind of foolish when it's not really necessary.

 

[sephi22]

Guys, its been a while since I read the books, so I need some things cleared. Episode 2 spoilers ahead:

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Did that thing between Stannis and Melisandre happen in the books? I've read till book 3 and I remember the implication that Stannis spends alone time in his chambers with her but I don't recall them outright saying that they're fucking. From the books, Stannis came off pretty stern and honorable so the sex scene felt weird to me.

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Who was the khalasar rider who got beheaded? Wasn't the guy Dani spoke to last episode was he? AFAIK he stays with her till the end of Book 3 (that's the last one I read)

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Why is Littlefinger getting all this attention and character building? Does he do something significant in Book 2? I know he plays a big part in Book 3.

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I think Theon just cups Asha's breasts and tries to kiss her in the book (she rejects his advances), but here he straight up fingerbangs her and she lets him. I like this change.

 

[Chuck Norris]

True, but why not just leave it unmentioned, in case it becomes important later? Totally writing it out just seems kind of foolish when it's not really necessary.

Seems fairly important to me (episode 2 spoilers)

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to suggest his motivation for being unfaithful

 

[ValleyJoe]

Eh. (Ep 2/General Books spoilers)

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Shireen has served no meaningful purpose in the books, I don't think anything is lost by cutting her.

There are already more than enough characters and subplots, cutting the fat is a necessity for this adaptation.

Ya I really don't feel strongly enough about her to care either way, but

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I thought some of Patchfaces prophecies were interesting foreshadowing for events to come later in the books. The show is tending to move completely away from all of the prophecy stuff anway though, so no big deal really. I do hope they have the house of the undying visions though.

 

[ultron87]

Why was the first episode called "The North Remembers"? It wasn't even that much about the North.

 

[Basileus777]

Why was the first episode called "The North Remembers"? It wasn't even that much about the North.

Because the writers liked that line when they read ADWD.

True, but why not just leave it unmentioned, in case it becomes important later? Totally writing it out just seems kind of foolish when it's not really necessary.

Ep 2 spoilers

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Like Chuck Norris alluded to, it's character development for Stannis and his relationship with his wife and Melisandre. And the showrunners have more knowledge about the future plot than we do, maybe they know whatever Shireen's role is can be replaced or cut.

 

[Emerson]

Seems fairly important to me (episode 2 spoilers)

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to suggest his motivation for being unfaithful

Fairly important to justify a not overly important scene? Besides, the scene could just have easily happened without explicitly writing that character out of the show.

 

[Pkaz01]

Guys, its been a while since I read the books, so I need some things cleared. Episode 2 spoilers ahead:

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Did that thing between Stannis and Melisandre happen in the books? I've read till book 3 and I remember the implication that Stannis spends alone time in his chambers with her but I don't recall them outright saying that they're fucking. From the books, Stannis came off pretty stern and honorable so the sex scene felt weird to me.

whole series big time spoilers

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its implied that the shadow that kills renly is created by them having sex, and thats the "son" Mel is going to give him, notice how she says he doesnt need to fight renly only give up his body to the lord of light by having sex with her. and in ADWD she makes a comment towards Jon saying her bed isn't warm since Stannis left.

Like Loras and Renly its implied but George leaves it gray the show says fuck subtleness here are some tits.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Fairly important to justify a not overly important scene? Besides, the scene could just have easily happened without explicitly writing that character out of the show.

That is an important scene, it also sets up / depicts a pivotal relationship for the entire series

 

[Cornballer]

Early ratings news from Twitter:

#GameOfThrones season two premiere: 3.9m viewers, 2.0 demo. More than doubles the series premiere audience in 18-49.

The 10pm and 11pm repeats of the #GameofThrones S2 premiere garnered 1.47m and 0.9m viewers, respectively.

Total audience number for the #GameofThrones S2 premiere: 6.278m. This doesn't include On Demand or HBOGO viewers.

 

[JerkShep]

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Why is Littlefinger getting all this attention and character building? Does he do something significant in Book 2? I know he plays a big part in Book 3.

ACOK

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Littlefinger is the one that secures the alliance with the Tyrells later on, and from the trailers it seems he will meet Catelyn at some point, probably when he's going to Highgarden and she's going back to Robb

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Early ratings news from Twitter:

Sweet, I'll take those ratings.

 

[jett]

I always thought (ACOK)

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Melisandre put a spell on Stannis or something to make him have sex with her. It's certainly not very honorably what Stannis did on the show.

 

[Meier]

Looks like the Live+Same Day was 3.858 million viewers. HBO's figures will be even higher obviously due to the extra viewings on HBO2, etc.

Game of Thrones returned with a series high 2.0 adults 18-49 rating to go along with its 3.86 million viewers.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...ar-the-killing-mad-menarmy-wives-more/127202/

Oops, looks like Cornballer just posted the Twitter news.

 

[Emerson]

That is an important scene, it also sets up / depicts a pivotal relationship for the entire series

Pkaz's post gave me some better context about the scene, I still haven't watched it. But [book 2]

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they still did not need to use that line to justify the scene.
Mel could just have said that his wife gave him no sons and leave it at that

 

[Chuck Norris]

Early ratings news from Twitter:

Pretty good I guess

 

[Frost_Ace]

Season 3 greenlit in 3...2...1

 

[Basileus777]

6.278m without On Demand or HBOGO viewers? That's high right? The demo numbers probably aren't super important without advertising.

 

[sephi22]

ACOK

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Littlefinger is the one that secures the alliance with the Tyrells later on, and from the trailers it seems he will meet Catelyn at some point, probably when he's going to Highgarden and she's going back to Robb

whole series big time spoilers

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its implied that the shadow that kills renly is created by them having sex, and thats the "son" Mel is going to give him, notice how she says he doesnt need to fight renly only give up his body to the lord of light by having sex with her. and in ADWD she makes a comment towards Jon saying her bed isn't warm since Stannis left.

Like Loras and Renly its implied but George leaves it gray the show says fuck subtleness here are some tits.

Thank you. And Pkaz01 when I quoted your post there wasn't the DWD part in there. Fuck. Oh well, not a big spoiler.

 

[jett]

Early ratings news from Twitter:

Honestly I thought the show would grow larger than that. Season 1's finale got 3 million viewers.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

6.278m without On Demand or HBOGO viewers? That's high right? The demo numbers probably aren't super important without advertising.

Yeah, that's pretty high for the first day.

 

[Basileus777]

Honestly I thought the show would grow larger than that.

It's a jump of almost a million from last season’s finale, how high were your expectations?

 

[Chuck Norris]

Honestly I thought the show would grow larger than that.

lol always Mr. Negativity.

For the record, that means it debuted higher than True Blood season 2

 

[Aiii]

6.278m without On Demand or HBOGO viewers? That's high right? The demo numbers probably aren't super important without advertising.

It's about 1/3th up from last year's premiere. (4.2m)

 

[jett]

It's a jump of almost a million from last season’s finale, how high were your expectations?

lol always Mr. Negativity.

For the record, that means it debuted higher than True Blood season 2

Oh damn you're right. My expectations were for it to reach TB's numbers, and I guess that was accomplished.

 

[Pkaz01]

I don't know why but I assume more people watched this on HBO Go than they would have watched True Blood. I wonder what the ratings would have been if it wasn't shown online. do they release hbo online information?

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

I thought the Davos scenes in episode 2 were really good. You got to see his personality a whole lot more than episode 1.

 

[Emerson]

I don't know why but I assume more people watched this on HBO Go than they would have watched True Blood. I wonder what the ratings would have been if it wasn't shown online. do they release hbo online information?

They usually do.

 

[Cornballer]

I don't know why but I assume more people watched this on HBO Go than they would have watched True Blood. I wonder what the ratings would have been if it wasn't shown online. do they release hbo online information?

Yes, but not consistently.

Most likely there will be a S3 renewal press release this morning that will include some of that information.

 

[Chuck Norris]

Also have Boardwalk Empire season 2 debuting at 2.91 million. Shows the significant growth this series is experiencing.

 

[Valravn]

I thought the Davos scenes in episode 2 were really good. You got to see his personality a whole lot more than episode 1.

Anything about his missing fingers etc?

 

[Cornballer]

Here's WiC.net's ratings article from late last week.

Note that these numbers are just for the premiere showing, and they'll take into account reruns, on demand, and HBO Go when making decisions about the show.

 

[jett]

Anything about his missing fingers etc?

It's mentioned.

 

[Subitai]

Here's WiC.net's ratings article from late last week.



Note that these numbers are just for the premiere showing, and they'll take into account reruns, on demand, and HBO Go when making decisions about the show.

Wait so then it is off HBO's charts?!

 

[Cornballer]

Wait so then it is off HBO's charts?!

Note that these numbers are just for the premiere showing, and they'll take into account reruns, on demand, and HBO Go when making decisions about the show.

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