I don't think that character shows up until Storm of Swords anyway.
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I don't think that character shows up until Storm of Swords anyway.
That is book 3.
I thought it was earlier than that...I can see it fitting in S3 though. Thanks.
Edit - Did a search and it's definitely SOS. There was a preview in COK...that is what I remembered.
SerArthurDayne
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I'm kind of surprised at the number of changes they have made already this early into the season. Guess we will see how it plays out. Certainly no need to stay tied strictly to the book in the smaller strokes, as long as they get the key points in there.
This was a great episode, possibly with the exception of
I liked the added sex scene between Stannis and Melisandre, even if it's a bit early considering that they haven't really set up Stannis as the guy that follows the rules to the T (rules like not cheating on your wife and not burning your God's idols). I think I liked it better when the sex was implied and you didn't know exactly when she finally got to him in that way.
In any case, I love the casting. I can't wait to see [ACOK]
Jon getting hit in the head at the end. Where are they going with that?
In any case, I love the casting. I can't wait to see [ACOK]
Dat shadow babby.
Quick thoughts:
-Ros once again was the low point of the episode. Though im glad littlefingers exposition wasnt handled through sex again.
- The Mel and Stannis sex scene was fine, the rest of the sex scenes were fairly unnecessary. Especially for a show that is already crunching a whole lot of material into a rather small timespan.
- I absolutely love the director of the last 4 episodes. I guess so do some in hollywood since he'll be directing Thor 2. Shame cause in a perfect world he would direct 90% of this series.
- Loved Tyrion
- Loved Arya and Gendry
- Loved pretty much the entire episode.
-Ros once again was the low point of the episode. Though im glad littlefingers exposition wasnt handled through sex again.
- The Mel and Stannis sex scene was fine, the rest of the sex scenes were fairly unnecessary. Especially for a show that is already crunching a whole lot of material into a rather small timespan.
- I absolutely love the director of the last 4 episodes. I guess so do some in hollywood since he'll be directing Thor 2. Shame cause in a perfect world he would direct 90% of this series.
- Loved Tyrion
- Loved Arya and Gendry
- Loved pretty much the entire episode.
Not only that but they also have to fit in (S2 spoilers, some of this stuff wasn't in the books)
Loras sleeping with Renly, as well as a few scenes of Renly's new wife talking to Littlefinger, catching Loras and Renly in the act, and sleeping with Renly herself. So unless literally the entire hour is dedicated to Renly, I don't see it happening. Also, it'd suck to have him be reintroduced this season and die in the same episode. I feel like if he were going to die next week they would have introduced him and the cast surrounding him earlier.
SerArthurDayne
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[ACOK]
I mean, I guess they will go with manipulation? Stannis apparently wants an heir in this, breaks his own code, and She gets him to commit on the promise of a son, and then the shadow kid comes out. It seems weird in the, well, how will he react kind of way once he sees what she did.
Edit- Removed. Wrong book, no sense in risking the accidental spoilers for it. I got my timeline messed up. Good thing, to, as I am less judgmental of changes to the books than I am with the differences fresh in my mind.
I guess no Florents. No big loss.
Wolves look good. Better in stills, a little rough in motion, but very good especially considering a TV show budget. And in consideration of travesties like Lost.
Steelyuhas
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Alan Taylor will be back directing episodes 8 and 10 this season. He is now a co-executive producer this season as well (basically making him the defacto director of the show), which is great thing for the directing of this show.
Supermanisdead
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Ros gets the grieving scene instead of the baby's mother :s I felt really bad for her though... not bad enough to possibly want more scenes, but she wasn't completely terrible for once.
The Direwolves are 100x better than the dogs they used last season. I agree that they aren't perfect by any means yet are still great for what we're getting.
I thought she was awful. I couldn't tell if that was supposed to be real or fake crying (in context of the show).
The fisherman's daughter is cute in a homely way.
Yara is fucking hot.
Get some taste in women.
Sho_Nuff82
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Littlefingers little talk [AFFC/ADWD spoiler]
Tyrion's scenes remain my favorite. Then look on his face when it dawned on him that a sellsword is a sellsword, no matter what "side" he's on, was priceless.
That ending...why? [Episode 3 preview spoiler]
Edit: And why is Asha named Yara? What kind of fucking name is Yara?
makes him quite a bit darker, which foreshadows his overarching scheme a bit better. Backstabbing Ned Stark was one thing, but when you find out that he's behind the entire Jon Aaryn scenario you start to realize that he's not just opportunistic, but deliberate; this is just according to keikaku.
Tyrion's scenes remain my favorite. Then look on his face when it dawned on him that a sellsword is a sellsword, no matter what "side" he's on, was priceless.
That ending...why? [Episode 3 preview spoiler]
Wouldn't it have been easier for Crastor to just leave Jon Snow for The Others or kill him, rather than knocking him out and dragging him back to his keep? Isn't the idea of Jon being knocked silly in the middle of the night with Ghost around positively absurd? Seriously, it would've been better if Jon saw what he saw, ran like hell when The Other picked up the baby, and Crastor heard/saw that somebody in the Night's Watch was snooping on him, prompting him to ask them to leave.
Edit: And why is Asha named Yara? What kind of fucking name is Yara?
SerArthurDayne
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The fisherman's daughter is cute in a homely way.
Yara is fucking hot.
Get some taste in women.
Kevin Spacey Wrong.gif.
Melisandre was nice though. And Ros is always nice, although her scenes this season have been mediocre.
Series Spoilers
I'm pretty sure that he is basically responsible for everything, isn't he? He pretty much manufactured the entire war, and even made sure Ned stayed when he was going to leave King's Landing. I imagine he also told Jaime where Ned was going to be. I think he legitimately might have been cool with Renly or Joffrey puppet, like he said, because he could advance. But he did an even better job of advancing in the turmoil.
Concur, but hopeful that what we get makes sense.
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ReturnOfTheRAT
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The complaints about tonights episode are ludicrous. The brothel scene depicted a brothel and completely conveyed Lord Baelish's business prospective. Even though it appears that he is going to show compassion to Ros, he cares more about the bottom lime. He'll wipe the sperm off a woman's face just to keep the customers happy. I thought the guy was being genuine in that scene. Instead he care more about money than the distraught of the head prostitute.
Theon is a hounddog. And particular the act of sex involved important information about what Pyke believe in. He's unnecessarily cocky and overrates his place in this entire story. The payoff to that comes with his inability to identify his sister on the horse ride and he looks even more foolish when his father accosts him over his attire and newfound loyalties.
And Melisandre appears to be a mythological temptress with an ulterior motive. She uses her gifts to convince Stannis that she can give him a child. You see a breast and a couple of thrusts on that weird ass table. What's so bad about that?
I'm happy that HBO are using their medium to the fullest extent.
Yeah I'm happy about that. I just wonder what his role will be going forward since it looks like he's moving up in directing the world.
His episodes flow and feel better than any other directors attempts so far. Including the pilot which was good but had some rough spots.
hey_it's_that_dog
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Holy shit no. I'm not usually one to comment on women's looks on the internet, but Yara would only be decent looking in real life. By TV standards she's straight up homely. At least as she appeared in this episode.
The producers wanted to make sure viewers would confuse her name with Arya.
Sho_Nuff82
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[series spoiler]
There are basically 4 (human) factions by the end of ADWD that seem to have shit going on behind the scenes: Littlefinger, Varys & the Targaryan heir, whomever the Oldtown faceless man was working for, and Euron Greyjoy. I really think that Euron is going to end up being the Big Bad for the series. We barely know anything about him, but he seems to know everything worth knowing about Westeros, the growth of magic in the world, and Danaerys. And he's got a ship named Silence. Littlefinger's plans are basically a land grab in comparison; if everything goes according to his plans, in a few years, he'll maybe be Lord or Regent of Winterfell, Riverrun, and The Eyrie. But no one will bow to him as King. Stannis & Melisandre, Prince Doran Martell, Cersei & the Tyrells - they haven't a clue what's going on, and will probably be the first to be wiped out in the coming showdown.
SerArthurDayne
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Did we ever find out why Gregor was recast?
Will he be taking the role of [COK]
Westeros is dead at the moment. But no, it looks like [Not really a spoiler, but might be a minor one in context- CoK]
.
edit: Apparently it is the Hobbit that cost him the job. Damn you Peter Jackson!
Will he be taking the role of [COK]
Amory Lorch this season? He seems expendable, good use of Gregor to get him in the story with Arya/Yoren. What does Gregor actually do in this book on his own?
Westeros is dead at the moment. But no, it looks like [Not really a spoiler, but might be a minor one in context- CoK]
Lorch was cast
edit: Apparently it is the Hobbit that cost him the job. Damn you Peter Jackson!
PhoenixDark
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Does anyone know whether Owen Teale, who plays Ser Allister Thorne in S1, will be in this season? Towards the end of S1 (as well as the first book), Mormont sends him to King's Landing with a hand of the dead White Walker, yet in tonight's episode there is no mention of him in the letter read at court.
SerArthurDayne
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pulga
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The problem is her physicality is not of a warrior. She's chubby.
SerArthurDayne
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I like your tag. It is true. Also your point is true. I thought she looked okay. Not my Asha, but I will give her a chance.
PhoenixDark
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I know, just wondering if we'll get a scene with him
SerArthurDayne
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Groovy. I figure if they can get him to do a cameo without paying him much will probably be the deciding factor. But they don't need it, and they accomplished everything they needed in the collective reaction to the letter in tonight's episode.
Supermanisdead
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I'm not feeling Yara either. But Pyke and the whole atmosphere of the islands looks awesome. It really is a shithole.
MegaKungFuRadio
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More likely because of Osha.
Supermanisdead
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Before I read the books I thought it was Aya and Sunsun. That's how they pronounce them!
JordoftheDead
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He is good. I love that ep. 9 is being directed by the guy who did Centurion. Under-rated film on a small budget and it looks stunning, particularly on Blu Ray.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b6got4G4Ys
One of the battle scenes above. Spoilers if you haven't seen the film of course.
Amazing.
There was nothing in either of those shows remotely on par with the sexual content in GoT.
and it's terribly one sided. There needs to be equal gender nakedness.
MegaKungFuRadio
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I found Davos chapters were the ones I was most likely to read through without registering a single word of it, but not care enough to go back and figure out what happened.
SerArthurDayne
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Hodor? Hodor, Hodor, Hodor!
edit: No mention of Ice in Robb's demand's either. Or does that come at another point? It appears Valyrian Steel might be getting short shrift.
edit: No mention of Ice in Robb's demand's either. Or does that come at another point? It appears Valyrian Steel might be getting short shrift.
At least two of the three serve a purpose. The Theon ones build his character (he is a sex-obsessed egomaniac) and... well, you'll see the purpose of the second meaningful one in the future (if you haven't read the books).
PhoenixDark
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In terms of the sex, the vast majority of it is there simply because it's HBO - and to keep certain viewers entertained; it's also often used to distract from exposition, as if the writers aren't confident enough in viewers to give a shit. My position: if a detail can't be explained in a satisfactory way without having to throw boobs everywhere (like I dunno, the names of dragons), maybe it shouldn't be in the show.
That being said...in terms of tonight's exposition between Theon and Cashew Tits, I thought it actually made sense. As in, the conversation didn't feel ridiculous; I can imagine Theon bragging about his family, as well as the girl relating stories she has heard about his family. I also liked Theon telling her to stop talking about her father, another dialogue piece that felt natural.
My problem was more with the scene following, where you're hit with two random sex scenes, followed immediately by a snowball lol. That's just trashy. People bring up Spartacus but let's not forget nearly every sex scene in the first season serves a purpose. Whether it's a relationship scene or one of seduction, important plot is being advanced; and the random nudity of slaves makes sense in the context of the environment. That can't be said of Game Of Thrones overall. Sure, random nudity in a brothel makes sense, I wouldn't complain about that. But it feels like the sex is just there to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
You can tell with the recent Spartacus season that they payed close attention to GoT, and changed path to include a bunch of ridiculously random sex scenes in nearly every episode.
That being said...in terms of tonight's exposition between Theon and Cashew Tits, I thought it actually made sense. As in, the conversation didn't feel ridiculous; I can imagine Theon bragging about his family, as well as the girl relating stories she has heard about his family. I also liked Theon telling her to stop talking about her father, another dialogue piece that felt natural.
My problem was more with the scene following, where you're hit with two random sex scenes, followed immediately by a snowball lol. That's just trashy. People bring up Spartacus but let's not forget nearly every sex scene in the first season serves a purpose. Whether it's a relationship scene or one of seduction, important plot is being advanced; and the random nudity of slaves makes sense in the context of the environment. That can't be said of Game Of Thrones overall. Sure, random nudity in a brothel makes sense, I wouldn't complain about that. But it feels like the sex is just there to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
You can tell with the recent Spartacus season that they payed close attention to GoT, and changed path to include a bunch of ridiculously random sex scenes in nearly every episode.
Maisie's mom read the books so she is probably knew it was coming anyway, especially since the scenes are less explicit than the books so she is probably happy they didnt go all the way.
PhoenixDark
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Also a lot of dialogue is added to scenes in audio studios. It's possible Maise didn't hear any of the coarse language used in the episode on set
Interesting didn't know they do that. Would be a good way to filter it for the kids.
0k finally seen episode 2. Very happy. The premiere felt like they were just trying to remind viewers who's where and what they're doing, and I felt like it was a pretty mediocre hour of television, especially for a premiere. Ep2 though is definitely a return to form, I got the warm fuzzy feeling again from when I was watching season 1, despite having book knowledge this time. Thoughts:
- The Arya stuff was brilliant. Her and Gendry have great chemistry. Liked Yoren threatening the gold cloak as well.
- Another big thumbs up to the Theon scenes. I found his first few chapters in Clash a bit of a chore, and the long description of the Pyke pretty uninteresting, but boy did it look fantastic in this episode. I would even go as far as to say its the best realised location so far.
- I liked the actress who plays Asha/Yara. I not going to complain if every woman on the show isn't smoking hot, and she's still attractive in her own way, plus she's got the swagger. I mean Asha is a fucking warrior not some fair maiden; I always imagined her looking quite similar to the actress.
- The guy playing Balon also did a fantastic job, the acting and dialogue in the Iron islands scenes was top class all around really, and they managed to get across quite a lot about their culture in very concise and effective ways. The show at it's best.
- I just laugh now whenever there's a sex scene 'cos I know people are going to whine about it endlessly. Hey at least this was CANON sexposition!
- I do agree though that the transition to the brothel scene was a bit ridiculous, and that scene went on way too long. I guess they want to increase Littelfinger's screen time, and at least he was more subtle here than the last episode.
- Dragonstone; more great stuff! Saladhor Saan/Davos scene was amazing, both actors did a fantastic job there. The Dragonstone stuff scenes in ep1 felt a little jarring since they were dealing with all new characters, but this felt like it fit a lot better into the show.
- Liked Mel
. Was that line in the books?
- I knew Stannis was banging Mel in the books, but I always imagined it was out of duty, not him getting weak in the knees as we saw here but I don't mind the change too much. It actually adds a bit more depth to his character.
- Tyrion? Boss. I laughed out loud at that crushing line about Cersei and Jaime.
- As for the ending, honestly I think they just needed to manufacture a cliffhanger for the end of the episode, and it'll be totally resolved next week with no lasting divergences from the books. Also its good to remind the viewers that the Others are a thing.
Man this really was a good episode, and that preview for next week looks great too.
Edit: Oh yeah I wanted to complain about the Asha's name change, one because it just seems really unnecessary and two, Yara? You name a pirate Yaaaara? How long did it take to think of that one!
- The Arya stuff was brilliant. Her and Gendry have great chemistry. Liked Yoren threatening the gold cloak as well.
- Another big thumbs up to the Theon scenes. I found his first few chapters in Clash a bit of a chore, and the long description of the Pyke pretty uninteresting, but boy did it look fantastic in this episode. I would even go as far as to say its the best realised location so far.
- I liked the actress who plays Asha/Yara. I not going to complain if every woman on the show isn't smoking hot, and she's still attractive in her own way, plus she's got the swagger. I mean Asha is a fucking warrior not some fair maiden; I always imagined her looking quite similar to the actress.
- The guy playing Balon also did a fantastic job, the acting and dialogue in the Iron islands scenes was top class all around really, and they managed to get across quite a lot about their culture in very concise and effective ways. The show at it's best.
- I just laugh now whenever there's a sex scene 'cos I know people are going to whine about it endlessly. Hey at least this was CANON sexposition!
- I do agree though that the transition to the brothel scene was a bit ridiculous, and that scene went on way too long. I guess they want to increase Littelfinger's screen time, and at least he was more subtle here than the last episode.
- Dragonstone; more great stuff! Saladhor Saan/Davos scene was amazing, both actors did a fantastic job there. The Dragonstone stuff scenes in ep1 felt a little jarring since they were dealing with all new characters, but this felt like it fit a lot better into the show.
- Liked Mel
foreshadowing the death of Davos's son
- I knew Stannis was banging Mel in the books, but I always imagined it was out of duty, not him getting weak in the knees as we saw here but I don't mind the change too much. It actually adds a bit more depth to his character.
- Tyrion? Boss. I laughed out loud at that crushing line about Cersei and Jaime.
- As for the ending, honestly I think they just needed to manufacture a cliffhanger for the end of the episode, and it'll be totally resolved next week with no lasting divergences from the books. Also its good to remind the viewers that the Others are a thing.
Man this really was a good episode, and that preview for next week looks great too.
Edit: Oh yeah I wanted to complain about the Asha's name change, one because it just seems really unnecessary and two, Yara? You name a pirate Yaaaara? How long did it take to think of that one!
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