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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO
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Eh, Maise is 14. She's probably been swearing like a sailor for a couple of years already.
Really? I thought she was pretty bang on the money when it came to how I invisaged her.
Pai Pai Master
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I think it was just the awkward transition from one sex scene to another, albiet brief one. Both Theon and Stannis/Melisandre need those scenes to establish things about their characters. Ros and the brothel scenes cause the most problems for viewers because they're not as necessary, and a made-for-TV character like Ros is taking up far more screentime every episode than some the books' most important characters. This episode had no Bran, no Robb, no Catelyn, no Joffrey, no Sansa, but hey we got another badly directed softcore porn moment and more Ros.
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Great stuff AngryMoth.
Can't wait for the third episode.
Can't wait for the third episode.
Gen.Grievous
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Liked this episode better than the first. Fewer plotlines means more time for each character. Watched the preview of next weeks episode and I can see the Jon spying on Craster part working out. Melisandre (Carice van Houten) has convinced me she will do the role justice.
Some people are just whiners. The whole brothel sex scene lasted all but 15 seconds in total, after that it ws LF character building.
bengraven
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Thankfully the full on sex scenes have no interesting plot moments, then huh? Snip snip.
I think HBO will do a decent job editing this to fit into A&E's daytime schedule.
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Takamura-San
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I actually think his accent is way better this year, almost not noticeable. Less awkward annunciations.
JordoftheDead
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It bothered me a fair bit in the first season, but I have gotten used to it somewhat.
I have to say, I find the amount of people bothered by nudity very odd. 'Killing is fine, but by god if I see a pair of tits...'
Prophet Steve
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That's not the problem at all. It is that many of them are unnecessary and feel shoehorned in. And are a cheap way to bring attention to exposition.
Takamura-San
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At least I saw him pretty horny on that scene.
So uncharacteristic of him.
I like the actor but he needs to be less passionate.
JordoftheDead
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I'm about to watch the ep now. The only bit that bothered me the in the first series was the prolonged fingerbang scene, but even that doesn't bother me really upon the second viewing. I don't think it's used to bring attention to the exposition, I think it's the opposite. They're trying to distract from the fact the characters are essentially rattling off monologues for the sake of the audience.
I think this show had better reasons for the scenes this time. The Theon scene with the hooker was atrocious but the scene immeditely following in the brothel was a great way of really seeing how sex can be used to set the mood.
I said this in the other thread that this may not be the show's fault. Long sex scenes, with or without dialogue, usually suck. The one that stands out as germaine to the story is Van Alden & Lucy in Boardwalk Empire.
The Stannis scene was also understandable but felt rushed. Hopefully in the books it took a little longer to seduce the good king.
Prophet Steve
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I mean, they are trying to keep the audience interested during exposition by having sex scenes.
Yeah, that scene does add a good amount of context for people who haven't read the books. In the books Martin could get away with using the Tyrion POV to describe the commoner's feelings about the royalty but you can't really get away with that in the TV show (as it wouldn't be smart for Tyrion to be running around telling all the untrustworthy people at court about how people hate his family).
Yeah some of them are useful. the one with Cersei and Jaime in season one was useful for example because it shows us that they have an incestuous relationship and it's gonna play a huge part in the story. Daenerys and kahl drogo too because it implied a change in Draenerys way of thinking.
Stannis was justifiable, to make us see that he is being played by the woman, but it was clear since the beginning, we didn't need to see that to understand something was wrong with her.
Maybe one or two in the brothel to make the location clear.
But that's all.
BenjaminBirdie
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Who's they? Most of those scenes were in the book. It's not Hookers On The Point.
Would you mind giving a few examples? I'm asking honestly, as a non-native speaker.
Being in the book doesn't excuse bad scenes.
Hey, that baby might not be dead. He could just get to live a nice cool life as an Other.
Oh god everytime about the sex scenes. It's HBO, deal with it. Even Boardwalk Empire first season had random lesbian sex scenes in almost every episode (or Jimmy talking two minutes with his wife and the banging her just cause). And two of the sex scenes in this episode are actually canon (and one is actually pretty important I'd say).
Cornballer
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Content roundup for The Night Lands:
(Added Indiwire, OtakuASSEMBLE, Poniewozik, WiC's Recap Roundup, and a crappy youtube version of the "Inside the Episode" feature)
Reviews:
- Sepinwall
- memles
- WiC.net
- Onion A|V Club
- televisonary
- EW.com
- Westeros.org
- Maureen Ryan
- IndieWire
- OtakuASSEMBLE (youtube)
- Poniewozik
- WiC.net's Recap Roundup
HBO Content:
- Inside the Episode (HBO video)
- Inside the Episode (youtube, extremely low quality)
- Preview for next week's episode: "What Is Dead May Never Die" (youtube, please spoiler tag any discussion.)
(Added Indiwire, OtakuASSEMBLE, Poniewozik, WiC's Recap Roundup, and a crappy youtube version of the "Inside the Episode" feature)
Reviews:
- Sepinwall
- memles
- WiC.net
- Onion A|V Club
- televisonary
- EW.com
- Westeros.org
- Maureen Ryan
- IndieWire
- OtakuASSEMBLE (youtube)
- Poniewozik
- WiC.net's Recap Roundup
HBO Content:
- Inside the Episode (HBO video)
- Inside the Episode (youtube, extremely low quality)
- Preview for next week's episode: "What Is Dead May Never Die" (youtube, please spoiler tag any discussion.)
I think the episode was pretty poor overall, I'd kind of rank it like the early half of season 1.
There were some good moments in the episode however. Gendry/Arya scenes were well done. I liked Theon on Pike with Balon and Asha. I think the Ironmen in general will play well on TV, so I look forward to more from the Iron Islands. AND I LOVE the casting of Davos. His scenes were ace.
The stuff with Dany traveling thru the barren wastes to the Far East is really disconnected from the rest of the show and pretty poorly done.
Sam is as bad on the tv show as he is in the books.
The scenes with Littlefinger and the whores need to go. Snowballing really?
There were some good moments in the episode however. Gendry/Arya scenes were well done. I liked Theon on Pike with Balon and Asha. I think the Ironmen in general will play well on TV, so I look forward to more from the Iron Islands. AND I LOVE the casting of Davos. His scenes were ace.
The stuff with Dany traveling thru the barren wastes to the Far East is really disconnected from the rest of the show and pretty poorly done.
Sam is as bad on the tv show as he is in the books.
The scenes with Littlefinger and the whores need to go. Snowballing really?
Cornballer
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- Televisionary interview: Kit Harington on Game of Thrones, Fame, and Playing Emo Hero Jon Snow *some spoilers*
I have only seen people commenting negatively on the writing for this season, so I'm here to disagree with them: what I've witnessed these last few episodes is a complete dominion over the "source material vs. adaptation" obstacle. They are tackling the monstrous task both elegantly and confidently.
BFIB
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I would rather done without the snowball, and instead went with
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That scene with Theon is one of the more important chapters in the books.
I felt that needed to be in the show. I understand the time constraints, but the scene with Ros and Littlefinger could have been cut. We all know Littlefinger's a prick, we don't need it to be constantly thrown in our face.
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That scene with Theon is one of the more important chapters in the books.
Theon's trip home, talking with the captains daughter, not even caring what will happen to her. Theon having his funhole and enjoying the fact that he has that control over the captain really sold what kind of person Theon really is.
I felt that needed to be in the show. I understand the time constraints, but the scene with Ros and Littlefinger could have been cut. We all know Littlefinger's a prick, we don't need it to be constantly thrown in our face.
Exactly, and they keep giving air time to the non-canon and completely useless Rose character.
bodyofanamerican
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Totally agree. Especially him going on about how he'll be greeted like a conquering hero at the docks and then having to pay that random old guy to find him a horse. Loved it and was obviously super important for the character.
First of all, she's named "Ros".
Second, SPOILERS AHEAD FOR EPISODE 14 (or 2.04)
some reviewers that have watched the first 4 episodes of this season have basically cemented that her screen-time is completely justified thanks to a "chilling", "character-defining" scene in Ep. 14 https://twitter.com/#!/televisionary/status/186469909121859585
Sho_Nuff82
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Unless [S2 speculation]
Littlefinger crucifies her upside down in the middle of Flea Bottom, I don't see her character as having any potential for defining anyone.
bodyofanamerican
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ACOK spoilers:
my assumption is that she'll take the place of Alayaya from the book and Cersei will have the shit beaten out of her to get to Tyrion. Ugh, but then again, he has no personal connection to her as he does to Alayaya in the book. Dammit!
I want them to expand on it. I don't think they devote enough time to her plight. I admit that I liked her better when she was trying to be manipulative
Although i hated the brothel scene last week, I liked the scene this week since it was short, to the point, & sets them setting a mood better than any 5-10 mintue long sex scene with talking ever could. It's tiresome when done weekly though.
I think the scenes with Littlefinger & the eunich aren't for us to figure them out, it's for other people to realize how untrustworthy they are. All the characters are ging to be on the same page.
It's used to set the contrasts between what we knew last season and how they are now. It doesn't appear that duplicity will be a part of the plotline this season.
Pai Pai Master
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Well, the first time you see Tyrion in the show he's with Ros in Winterfell. I wouldn't say that justifies the switch though, I can see a lot of the impact lost. If they are doing that to her in ep14, then I don't see how they can expound on the relationship between Tyrion and Ros in enough time to give it as much importance as it had happening to Alayaya in the book.
I don't mind them consolidating characters, but this is when it's a problem. Had they spent less time having Ros fingerbang girls and more time developing the important stuff, we wouldn't have this situation. All speculation though, of course. But I think she's the worst character on the show that gets the most unnecessary screen time, when it's clear that there isn't enough screen time to fully develop things from the books.
I don't mind them consolidating characters, but this is when it's a problem. Had they spent less time having Ros fingerbang girls and more time developing the important stuff, we wouldn't have this situation. All speculation though, of course. But I think she's the worst character on the show that gets the most unnecessary screen time, when it's clear that there isn't enough screen time to fully develop things from the books.
bengraven
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I think the biggest reason the Theon/Carmex Lips sex scene works, much like in the book, is because their dialogue and his treatment of her is setting us up for him to have a hero's welcome back home. He's arriving as the conquering lord.
Then he arrives and gets far from a hero's welcome.
Something missing from the scene that was in the books is that the girl tells him she thinks she's pregnant (they had been fucking for weeks) and that he should marry her.
Theon tells her he doesn't care, and that she will have the pleasure of raising a "king's bastard".
Then he arrives and gets far from a hero's welcome.
Something missing from the scene that was in the books is that the girl tells him she thinks she's pregnant (they had been fucking for weeks) and that he should marry her.
Theon tells her he doesn't care, and that she will have the pleasure of raising a "king's bastard".
bodyofanamerican
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Yep, slightly disappointing but I can see that being the justification for the connection between the two characters. Also, I bet you it's Joff's idea, not Cersei's.
I don't care what her name is.
Blame the source.
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