Derift
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there is no problem its just people acting up because Sony = Bad
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Ghost Of Tsushima Director's Cut comes to PS5 and PS4 on August 20!
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FranXico
Member
It's "just" a 60fps upgrade when playing the PS4 version through BC.
lucius
Member
I think they were robbed in some GOTY awards but users gave them praise with sales and word of mouth and I paid full price to reward them. Had they not released an performance patch for ps5 already then I be upset they were just holding that back to sell this but they didn’t do that so we got the switch tax now we got ps5 extra tax too, this developer still deserves it, if I want to keep seeing these type games I can’t complain.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
That is the bit that may sting, right now you can have it at native 4K and locked 60 FPS in PS4 Pro BC mode, what about the Director’s Cut Native PS5 version? Loading times were low enough already most of the times and I hope there are substantial LOD/draw distance improvements if we are going to now have to again choose between resolution and framerate…
SuperSaiyanWithDreads
Banned
LMAO i’m playing though it right now on my PS5. I ain’t paying no $30. It already runs 60fps locked and it looks good. CASH GRAB.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
New island, realtime cut scenes, hopefully improved visuals, haptic feedback and dynamic triggers (hopefully well implemented) and a smal upgrade price… I think you are exaggerating.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Quite the opposite. You could call it a "cash grab" if they never released a 60 FPS patch for PS4 users and forced everyone to buy this PS5 paid upgrade. This is truly optional for everyone.
Want exclusive PS5 features? Pay $10. Want the expansion with new map, enemies, abilities, and storyline? Pay $20.
Don't want to pay anything? No problem. Enjoy the game at patched 60 FPS on your PS5 and get the new Legends modes and updates for free.
FranXico
Member
The Japanese lip sync should really be a free patch though.
TonyK
Member
Where does it say that? In the trailer says "in-game cinematics", that doesn't imply necessarily they are real time. But if you have some source to confirm that I will glad to know.
Bartski
Gold Member
this game had the best most extensive FREE post launch support since release of all Sony 1st party, patches feature upgrades, QOL updates, modes, NG+, amazing HUGE multiplayer mode with zero MTX, PS5 framerate unlock... and now it's getting a story DLC and a proper PS5 patch for 30 bucks and here come the angry True Gamers calling it greedy tactics.
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
The expansion isn't worth $30, and the so called enhancements have come for free for most other games (doom, metro, etc.)
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Not really, the game is already overpriced for a year later. Tack on a small addon and enhancements that are free in other games like doom, metro, etc, its not worth $70.
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DonJorginho
Banned
You can't say anything about it not being worth $30 when you ain't even played a second of it yet.
Same goes for not being able to say it is worth $30, we just have to wait and see on August 20th.
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
I can read, I have a pretty good idea of how good the game is. It's not rocket science.
Same goes for the expansion......can't remember a game where an expansion was worth $30......
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Did not they say that is the reason why they can have Japanese lip synch on PS5 is that on PS5 they can render the cutscene with the in game engine?
Ghost of Tsushima Director’s Cut arrives on PS5 and PS4 consoles on August 20
Explore the brand new Iki Island, plus PS5-specific enhancements like DualSense controller haptic feedback, Japanese lip sync, and more.
blog.playstation.com
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Shmunter
Member
They are not real-time on PS4? What about the hats and outfits you put on your guy?Did not they say that is the reason why they can have Japanese lip synch on PS5 is that on PS5 they can render the cutscene with the in game engine?
Ghost of Tsushima Director’s Cut arrives on PS5 and PS4 consoles on August 20
Explore the brand new Iki Island, plus PS5-specific enhancements like DualSense controller haptic feedback, Japanese lip sync, and more.
nowhat
Member
They are for the most part, but there are some major story cutscenes (like at the very beginning) that are pre-rendered. This is easy to tell if you''re playing on a PS5 - the game runs at 60fps but those cutscenes are 30fps.
PaintTinJr
Member
I personally am not resistant because of the specific amount and think my negative take on this is a bit more complicated, as it feels like a long game bait and switch shakedown.
The whole directors cut thing looks like it has been in the works for lots of games prior to them launching, and the "Expandalone" terminology is a smokescreen IMHO for means of selling the product as one thing, then trying to upsell content that was in the development of the main game as new.
Had Sony communicated when GoT released there would be a complete edition coming, people like me would have just waited for the game to be complete before buying, because they'd have wanted it all on the disc.
When I bought GoT I believed it was a one time purchase until GoT2 - and any DLC would be side quest and largely irrelevant to the main story arc. Now it feels like if you don't buy the shakedown the story is incomplete.
TLZ
Banned
They actually gave me good prices for PS4 pro and xbonex when I traded them in, at $350 and $400. Of course they're a bit higher because I'm higher on their loyalty program, but that's still good.
Not always the case of course.
Derift
Member
1st of all the expansion I $20, the upgrade is $10 if you don't want the ps5 upgrade then just get the DLC.... you will still get the unlocked framerate...
" the game is already overpriced for a year later" based on what.... its how you value the game... its not 60 right now it's 40-50 so there's been a decrease in the price...
It's also hardly a "small" addon dude it's a whole island with new quests etc... this outrage is so ridiculous and annoying.... if you don't like the pricing structure just don't buy the game but honestly, yall need to stop bitching about the prices all the time.... $70 is the new price point for games....
its crazy how the people who are complaining the most about the DLC haven't even played the first game...
Elbow Identity Shallow
Member
Making a decsion like that for a brand new and untested IP that was on a single platform would be far too much of a risk for any company, you only have to look at Days Gone to see the risk of assuming that something like this is going to be a major success. It's different with things like Assassin's Creed where they pretty much know how many sales they're going to get before it's even launched.
It is worth remembering that for Sucker Punch it has actually been standard practice for them to release expansions to their better selling games since 2009. Infamous 2 got Festival of Blood, Infamous: Second Son got First Light and now this is as a multiple award winner and the fastest selling new IP on PS4 is getting it's own expansion.
I can honestly expansions like this being far more of a thing moving forwards now that Sony are wanting to expanding all studios to have more than one team and more than one game in production at at time if a game has been as succesful as Tsushima was.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I don't think that's even possible to do.
It's tied to the PS5 version (Director's Cut) because the PS4 can't do it. PS4 used pre-rendered cutscenes (Digital Foundry also confirmed this) because it wasn't powerful enough. So they used the English dubbed pre-rendered scenes, which was causing the problem with Japanese dubbing.
In the PS5 version, those cutscenes will play in real-time, so the dubbing issue won't be a problem (because it's not pre-rendered anymore). The "free PS5 version" is the PS4 version running in backward compatibility mode, which still has the pre-rendered scenes.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Then you don't have to buy the expansion.
But I'm interested in knowing on what basis you have decided that the expansion is not worth it? Have you seen the map or do you know about the new storyline, abilities, upgrades, types of new enemies, etc.? We don't even know how many hours the new storyline is, yet you have already decided that the expansion is not worth $30.
Also, the expansion is priced at $20, not $30.
PaintTinJr
Member
IMHO the "risk" isn't really a factor in the wider picture, because it isn't sucker punch, they are owned by Sony, and Sony need to put out these games - even if unsuccessful, as they have done for 25years, to sell the hardware - the risk is already in the trying to sell a console platform, so it is just opportunistic cash grabbing IMO, and they might even use the meta sales data from the Expandalone - hate that shakedown terminology - as an excuse to not do a GoT2 and finish the story.
Funny you mention Infamous, expandalones, as that was exactly the time when I stopped with that IP - after finishing Infamous 1 & 2.
IMHO, you have optional DLC or you have sequels, Expandalones are an affront on the trust the consumer puts in the developer when investing in an IP, as they so far have always been content that has been held back from the main development. If they launched on disc and were actually developed from scratch after the release of the game they expand, they I would look at it less harshly, but as is, IMO it is cynical and long term calculated shakedown of the players.
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Elbow Identity Shallow
Member
The risk is absolutely a factor with modern games that can cost as much as they do to make. If Sony announced that an expansion was coming a year later for an untested IP then the game was more of a Days Gone than a Ghost of Tsushima then it means either they spend the amount to employ the studio for another twelve months on game that people didn't want the first time.
I understand that it may not fit in with how you like these things to be done but as a publicly owned company if you promise to invest money for another twelve months making something that you don't even know that people want is not going to go down well with the people who's money you're spending on that project that people don't want.
Of course, they could cancel an expansion for an unsuccesful game but not only would online places like this explode, which isn't at all important to them, but there would also still be fans of the original game that they're also disappointing. It just doesn't make business sense to go out on a limb like that with a completely untested new IP.
I understand that it may not fit in with how you like these things to be done but as a publicly owned company if you promise to invest money for another twelve months making something that you don't even know that people want is not going to go down well with the people who's money you're spending on that project that people don't want.
Of course, they could cancel an expansion for an unsuccesful game but not only would online places like this explode, which isn't at all important to them, but there would also still be fans of the original game that they're also disappointing. It just doesn't make business sense to go out on a limb like that with a completely untested new IP.
FranXico
Member
Oh I didn't know that's how it was done.
THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Guess we will see, history of most games I've played with expansions is most often they offer very little. Just doesn't scream value when other games are doing the next gen addon for free. But as you pointed out, I could just get the ps4 version and pay for the upgrade being $50. I'm just getting concerned, between the $70 price increase, the lack of good sales on spiderman/demon souls I'm starting to get a serious Nintendo vibe. Let's keep all our 1st party games at near full price and then re-release everything for full price again. Watch for tlou2 now with some sort of expansion for $70.
And God of War ultimate edition for $70......
TonyK
Member
I admit I play it in Spanish, with zero lips synch as usual in all gamesDid not they say that is the reason why they can have Japanese lip synch on PS5 is that on PS5 they can render the cutscene with the in game engine?
Ghost of Tsushima Director’s Cut arrives on PS5 and PS4 consoles on August 20
Explore the brand new Iki Island, plus PS5-specific enhancements like DualSense controller haptic feedback, Japanese lip sync, and more.
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Elbow Identity Shallow
Member
I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you here.
You could buy the PS5 version of the expansion but you wouldn't be able to play it without owning the PS5 version of the game. You could buy the PS4 version of the expansion to play with the PS4 version of the game for $19.99. Of course, that PS4 version would still be playable on the PS5 via backwards compatability, just as it is now.
Yes you can. 20 for the DLC or expansion and play on PS5 via BC with the free update at 60fps.
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Elbow Identity Shallow
Member
That's right GymWolf.
I agree with you, the game does work really well on the PS5 already, particularly if you have it on the internal SSD. Not decided what I'm doing yet, will definately get the expansion but I do want to se more of the PS5 update too. I may be tempted with the upgrade being $9.99.
I agree with you, the game does work really well on the PS5 already, particularly if you have it on the internal SSD. Not decided what I'm doing yet, will definately get the expansion but I do want to se more of the PS5 update too. I may be tempted with the upgrade being $9.99.
N nbkicker
As they mentioned in the linked article, the PS4 game has to use pre-renderd cinematics as it's always done whereas the PS5 game does everything in real time so they can change that without having to go back, rerender all the cinematics and double the size of the of teh cutscenes on the disc.Unfortunately, the other things you mention are PS5 native features and no PS4 games can use them via backwards compatability.
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gunslikewhoa
Member
We get a new island with new enemies next month? What a pleasant surprise. This was my favorite game last gen outside of FromSoftware games.
I’m jaded about some of the PlayStation stuff these days so I may be complete wrong. I don’t know.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
Havent played Ghost yet so picking this up on PS5 along with a C1 OLED, cant wait!
Jaysen
Banned
Recently paid 9.99 for the base game from Sony Direct, and that’s about what it’s worth. Runs great on PS5 currently, but the open world bloat and patented shallow Suckerpunch gameplay is in full effect. Beautiful looking bland game. Would definitely not pay 30 for the DC to this.
Ulysses 31
Member
Why not the G1? That one has 5 years warranty from LG itself.
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
No 48inch I believe
Derift
Member
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Sony still supporting PS4
Jack Videogames
Member
Ack I was expecting an expandalone. This gen is being terrible for us who sell the games after we're done with them.
Time to double dip I guess
Time to double dip I guess
