Halo 3 lighting: Best in the biz??
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Chiggs
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VonGak! said:In that case you would also be able to elaborate upon why Uncharted's lighting isn't so good, like pointing out pre-baked short cuts, things it doesn't do, colour depth and resolution differences.
I'm guessing that has more to do with system limits, rather than studio talent.
...and what on the PC (that is commerically available) exceeds Halo 3?camineet said:
Honestly, even if you throw Crysis in the mix, it really isn't all that superior. It blows Halo 3 away in various other facets, but when it comes to lighting, I'm not so certain the gap is as large as people seem to think.
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dark10x said:
whats wrong with your eyes?
Chiggs
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VonGak! said:Ohhh but that would mean Uncharted's lighting is off compared to the specific art style it's aiming for. 8OAnd they worked so hard.
:lol
I can see you're not gonna let this one go.
Uncharted's lighting, cheats and shortcuts aside, is still great.
BeeDog said:
QFT. Only if you have a good system, though.
VanMardigan
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You have to wonder. I'd say many detractors haven't played the game. Jaggies and textures are bad, but the lighting in Halo 3..........WOW
Warm Machine
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LiquidMetal14 said:
Yeah, Uncharted from these shots looks as though no HDR info is coming through. The skies are not blown out like they would be photographically for an interior exposure. Highlights are also not bright enough. I'm not asking for bloom, just a bigger white to black range in the lighting.
Also, the shot of the main character hiding on the left side of that one shot looks like there is simply no bounce light effecting him. Same with the one of him knocking the guy out. The ambient light there is pure black which it wouldn't be under those conditions. Some ambient occlusion should be visible.
Its a good looking game but I don't think lighting is its strong suit.
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Best in the biz, I don't know, but I was rarely bothered by the lighting in the game, that's a good thing.
Warm Machine said:
:| Sorry but either you suffer from lack of glasses or you haven't seen Uncharted footage.
There's tons of areas with great contrast between dark and bright not forgetting the transition between inside and outside which the game constantly features, also details aren't washed out in dark/bright areas plus the game uses a lot of silhouette shots (so much for your "looks like there is simply no bounce light effecting him" comment).
Not forgetting that the colours are saturated due to the cartoon like style the game aims for or the blur effects.
And it's beyond me how you manage to overlook effects like sub surface scatter effects and the shadowing.
INSULT: Perhaps you are one of those tasteless people who prefer desaturated colours at an extreme level of brightness with everything made of metal as an excuse to use a ton of bloom.
Though I do sense it's more a case of not wanting to see.
Though I do sense it's more a case of not wanting to see.
In the end you should not talk about lighting; not qualified you see, especially when it comes to Uncharted.
I'm sorry, but uncharted looks nasty :S bloom out the yingyang, and everything is WAY too colourful.
Halo 3 wins hands down,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/thechew/halo 3/949778-Full.jpg
Halo 3 wins hands down,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/thechew/halo 3/949778-Full.jpg
dark10x said:
As has been said... S.T.A.L.K.E.R..
Honestly, I don't care if people say that they like Halo 3's lighting model and HDR effects -- to each their own! But to say that it is "natural" is just ridiculous. Natural in the context of a cartoony world where every carbon-based surface is covered in a thick layer of petroleum jelly, maybe. Take an art class or just simply pay more attention when you're outdoors and you'll realize that light does not reflect off of every surface in that way, nor does it surround edges with an assault of hazy bloom that makes you feel like you're getting tunnel vision.
Again, I don't care if you like it or not. You have every right to like it. Just cut the hyperbole already. Halo 3 does not have the most advanced lighting model out there, and it doesn't have the most natural-looking one either. It's designed to make things look warm and to make you go "ooh" and "ahh" when you see an explosion on your nice, big HDTV.
Personally, I hate pseudo-HDR in games, but that's subjective and off topic.
SolidSnakex
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eternal prize said:
Don't worry they've got a next gen mode you can unlock in Uncharted that makes everything look more like current gen graphics stereotypes.
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When was it released? Oh you come from the future huh?lynux3 said:
Ynos Yrros
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You huys gotta be kidding me. There is absolutely nothing amazing about H3's lighting. It is great, but ther are many games that match it, and a few that exceed it. Just because the game looks mediocre all around, and that devs are trying to save their face by saying that their lighting is so so awesome doesn't mean that you have to believe and defend it. On technical level, it doesn't excell, and on artistical level it gets killed by lousy animation and low geometry.
Vyse The Legend
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Ynos Yrros said:
And yet, you failed to mention any.
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Stalker would be one exampl, Crysis ould be another, there's also Killzone 2, and Uncharted, I'd mention Lair as well, simply for the fact that it has to take so many things into account.Vyse The Legend said:
And that's technical level. There are loads of games that use all the techniques that H3 is using to render a scene, and thanks to rest of the graphics menage to look better, like Bioshock for example.
Sorry if that came off badly, I had a Halo 3 sessio with my buddies yesterday, and the graphics definately aren't of the top notch. True, it does look good, and in some areas (lighting of course) great, but best in the biz is hardly a phrase that can be used to describe it.
chaostrophy
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I'm sure some people here can point out the reasons it's technically primitive, but when it comes to overall effect I still think Ico has the best lighting ever.
Lord Error
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Warm Machine, etc. Uncharted does in fact have light bouncing effect. The main character may appear unrealistically lit at times, but that's because they keep rim-lighting around him (maybe other characters as well) for the more stylized, painterly feel to game's look (rim lighting around main character focus is typical for paintings).
They are clearly not going for real world realistic lighting in that game. IMO, the game has the very similar look to the lighting as Halo 3. They both have very good lighting, but the characters sometimes appear a bit like oldschool CGI. That's mostly why I hold HS in higher regard here. Then again, on some screens and videos, characters in uncharted look pretty damn great. I don't know if it's just by chance or difference between older and newer builds.
They are clearly not going for real world realistic lighting in that game. IMO, the game has the very similar look to the lighting as Halo 3. They both have very good lighting, but the characters sometimes appear a bit like oldschool CGI. That's mostly why I hold HS in higher regard here. Then again, on some screens and videos, characters in uncharted look pretty damn great. I don't know if it's just by chance or difference between older and newer builds.
Indeed the lighting in Halo 3 is extremely impressive. The HDR usage is nearly perfect, just like how it is used in HL2. Not overdone.
Uncharted lightning looks fantastic too from the videos ive seen, but right now Halo 3 and HL2 are at the top of the list since I've actually played them.
Uncharted lightning looks fantastic too from the videos ive seen, but right now Halo 3 and HL2 are at the top of the list since I've actually played them.
Warm Machine
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VonGak! said:
Sure, I'll just quit the gaming industry right now because obviously my last 11 years of industry experience counts for nothing because a guy with an Uncharted avatar tells me his favorite game is perfect.
Even a cursory glance through the screen cap thread shows the visuals range from very good to spectacular. Your post came off as funny because there's a wealth of media for anyone to peruse which demonstrates Halo 3's technical strengths - and weaknesses - and the gulf between them and your description. That, and the random pot shots on topics that have nothing to do with the one at hand. I think in most situations, calling anything the "best in the biz" is hyperbole, and I include this subject as well. It's clear though that Halo 3's lighting - the topic of the thread - is in the upper echelon of released titles. It is consistantly excellent, and yes, often flat-out amazing.Ynos Yrros said:
Ynos Yrros
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But are you talking about the way it compliments the graphics and the atmosphere it creates, or about it's technical specification? The former would put it high, but let it be outrun by some games, and the latter is entirely subjective.GhaleonEB said:
Don't you think that the fact that rest of the game looks average makes the lighting stand out more, because it's the only really good element of graphics engine?
InterMoniker
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Hmmm when I played I saw some of the enemies legs go through a wall.Prine said:
not to enter this pissing contest but I have seen some better pics of Heavenly Sword... so here.... off screen...but it does look like this... I'll try to take some myself....
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typhonsentra
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I... just don't get how you guys think this lighting is anything special. Do you not play many games?
Both. I've played the game for more than an afternoon at a friends house, and have seen what the game has to offer.Ynos Yrros said:
The game looks excellent, accross the board. Anyone can view for themselves, but what the hell.
Simple lighting:
Something more dramatic: explosions.
Fire.
Less flashy:
Moody.
Just plan stunning.
Random.
Just some random images from a few pages of the screens thread, though I selected small sized images. Best ever? Doubtful, and beside the point. It's very, very good, when you dismissed it as "average". Every level of the game has consistantly excellent lighting on display. There's nothing subtle about the beauty in Halo 3, either in general or with the lighting in particular.
Ynos Yrros
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How is that good lighting? The fire should lit entire room and there should be some big shaows dropped.
Edit: just noticed that there is shadow dropped, on the floor, directing the fire :/.
You're also using photo mode pics, trying to make the game look impressive, let's see some direct grabs from gameplay camera.
Synless
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If your talking about HS the lighting is fantastic, and if your talking about halo 3 then you need to understand that nothing is going to change a halo fans outlook on their game, They have to latch on to something ever since the KZ2 coming out graphically stomped the shit out of halo 3. the lighting in Halo 3 is really good, but not up to HS or most certainly Uncharted or even close to KZ2, two of those games arean't out yet and I can tell they are better.typhonsentra said: