Nobody cared about that Stealth Rogue minion and it got nerfed anyway.
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Mobius and pet octopus
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They were okay. They nerfed them not because of power level reasons, but because they wanted the meta to change when standard hit.
Yeah people cared. It's not like doomhammer + double lava burst is a new thing.
This.
Yogg won't be changed. Doomhammer won't either. Blizzard has always been INSANELY conservative with their changes. I'd love to see them branch out more, but before the next Standard rotation next year there is 0 chance anything changes.
In the history of Hearthstone only one (1) card from an expansion or adventure has EVER been changed. That card was the herald of some of the most degenerate and broken meta decks ever concieved, Pre-nerf Undertaker. A card that was so hilariously overpowered, even the cards in GvG (many of which are still best in slot in Wild) were not enough to make the card loosen its stranglehold on the game.
Anyone who wasn't there at the time needs to understand how broke this card was. Naxx and GvG were the only card sets out besides basic/classic cards. Any deck that was not running Undertaker and deathrattles in every mana position would be crushed by any deck that was. The card was so snowbally, that it was not uncommon to see a 6/7 Undertaker on the board (for reference the card was a 1/2 that got +1/+1 for each Deathrattle you played). Obviously if you didn't remove it the turn it hit the board you lost. Many classes at the time had nearly no options to remove it on early turns (Druid later got Living Roots, but this wasn't around at the time), and even if they did usually you could grow it up to a massive size to be out of reach of spells like Swipe and Frostbolt. It was truely the most deserving of a nerf at the time.
Anyone can say whatever they want about Doomhammer/Rockbiter and Yogg, but the cards are NO WHERE on the level of Undertaker. That card was beyond crazy, Yogg meanwhile has the potential to be on that level, but he also costs 10 mana (instead of FREAKING ONE MANA) and doesn't provide any board presence while he snowballs. Doomhammer could be a target for changes eventually because it limits the Shaman class design, by having too much value and burst capability. But in all cases none of these cards are so defining that they rise to Undertaker's level.
TetraxShards
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The Undertaker -> Coin -> Leper Gnome Turn 1 play. You could feel the fun evaporating as the game began. At least the games were short.
Please don't trigger me anymore than I already am. The game is in a much better state now than it ever was back then.
And I still play lots of Wild! Stuff is weird.
Mobius and pet octopus
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They've made nerfs every single year. I wouldn't count it out entirely. We've had 3 years of blizcon with hearthstone. Around year 1 they were still in beta, but also had a bunch of changes happen around blizcon, including buzzard and mind control. Year 2 we had auctioneer/flare/soulfire nerfs then later we had and I think UTH/buzzard nerf. Year 3 we had patron warrior's set of nerfs in addition to under taker.
It's not SO rare that they nerf cards. And if you follow the trend, we're about due for a set of nerfs and this was following the trend they set when they were more stringent about nerfs. They added a whole new reason to nerf basically, which is to keep the standard meta healthy.
It's not SO rare that they nerf cards. And if you follow the trend, we're about due for a set of nerfs and this was following the trend they set when they were more stringent about nerfs. They added a whole new reason to nerf basically, which is to keep the standard meta healthy.
I'm so tempted to craft Boom.
I still have a decent amount of classic epic and legendaries I want, but Boom!
I'm going to play some more wild to make sure I'm going to actually continue playing it, but i think wild will become more popular the more sets are added to wild.
I still have a decent amount of classic epic and legendaries I want, but Boom!
I'm going to play some more wild to make sure I'm going to actually continue playing it, but i think wild will become more popular the more sets are added to wild.
Do people on this forum still do ban bets or avatar bets?
Because I'll put my Neogaf account or Avatar on the line that Yogg is changed prior to Blizzcon.
I doubt we'll see any other changes (although I would welcome them) but no way is the freakin' world championship going to be decided by that dumb card.
Because I'll put my Neogaf account or Avatar on the line that Yogg is changed prior to Blizzcon.
I doubt we'll see any other changes (although I would welcome them) but no way is the freakin' world championship going to be decided by that dumb card.
I'll take an avatar bet. A few weeks with a Pic that says I <3 Yogg should be good for you =)
That's a pointless and dumb comparison and you know it.
Done. Two weeks with a Yogg avi. If I win you can use a Garrosh avatar.
Sounds good. I await the inaction of our Blizzard overlords.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Opened mulgorok... maybe I should build a tempo warrior deck.
Hell, I just got a mukla too. Seems like it's begging to be played in tempo warrior.
Hell, I just got a mukla too. Seems like it's begging to be played in tempo warrior.
I find myself getting triggered more by Shamans than by Yogg nowadays anyways. Today's games were, shaman, hunter, shaman, shaman, shaman, hunter, shaman, druid, mage, druid, shaman...ect... ect...
No need to play Yogg when you're game plan means killing them on turn 7 or 8. The druids both played Yogg though. I played Ramp Druid for a bit, switched to Tempo Mage, and ended with some Burgle Rogue.
No need to play Yogg when you're game plan means killing them on turn 7 or 8. The druids both played Yogg though. I played Ramp Druid for a bit, switched to Tempo Mage, and ended with some Burgle Rogue.
FormallyFamicom
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RIP OP Mage, my final moments with the banned cards went pretty well.
Got total crap from my Welcome packs. Freebie legendary was another Van Cleef. One golden rare in the packs. Just a lot of dust.
Got total crap from my Welcome packs. Freebie legendary was another Van Cleef. One golden rare in the packs. Just a lot of dust.
soulslayer
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Just play thief rogue and BECOME the shaman. Kidding aside, I've had a surprisingly high win rate using rogue this season. I'm 9-2 against shaman, and 31-18 overall with the class. Granted, I am just at Rank 8 right now so that isn't really saying much. Plus 2 of those wins were Yolo Yogg wins that just destroyed them. Still, I'm enjoying theif rogue far more than I should. This deck is so "luck" dependent though with the burgles, but it is still insanely fun to play.
Warsong Commander was nerfed October 15th, close to a month before Blizzcon.
So they can still nerf something within a month and have it be consistent with their actions in the past.
Brian Griffin
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What if they just ban Yogg from the championship? That seems more likely to me. Keep the card as is and keep bullshit RNG swings from top competitive play. Win, win.
I personally feel Yogg is great for the game because it is so much fun. My friend and I played a Brawl where we both ran Innervate, Raven Idol, and Yogg and didn't attack each other, just play spells and Yogg. It was insanely fun.
Can you post a deck list or something similar? Sounds fun.
bernardobri
Steve, the dog with no powers that we let hang out with us all for some reason
The legendary on my Welcome Pack was Al'Akir the Windlord. I was hoping for a Mage one but whatever, at least I got a few goodies from the ten boosters.
This Shaman's brawl deck was pretty trash, but the number of innervates in my hand got kind of ridiculous.
https://hsreplay.net/replay/wAWr9jjwrzfkCM7wx84yQF
https://hsreplay.net/replay/wAWr9jjwrzfkCM7wx84yQF
They're not going to ban a card from Blizzcon and leave it on the standard ladder. Can you imagine the shitstorm? "We know this card is straight busted but we don't give a fuck about you plebs on ladder, we only care about balance in tournament play."
I'm glad you had fun playing Yogg in Brawl -- and if they keep Yogg quarantined in casual or wild, great. But get that fucking bullshit out of ranked play.
soulslayer
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Sure. Here you go.
This is actually JustSaiyan's list. I tried Yagut's and Feno's list, but I liked this the best. It still feels Miracle-y, but is a lot more proactive. Peddler is pretty insane if you get any sort of value out of it. "Innervate" effects are really brokenly good in this game. I once got to play FlameStrike for 3 mana, and cleared his entire board, while I developed a 5 6.
Mobius and pet octopus
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6-1 with this deck so far. I never played tempo warrior before. I just threw it together.
LucidMomentum
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Prophet Velen and Millhouse Manastorm from my welcome pack
Fuck you too, Blizzard.
Fuck you too, Blizzard.
Leeroy prolly gonna get nerf
can't fault wanna join the right side before they bust it tho
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Is leroy even much of an issue right now?
TetraxShards
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At least in Wild he'll still have chicken (from Gnomish Experimenter).
I think at 5 mana, and his admittedly minor downside, he's still good but ultimately balanced. At 4 mana he was ridiculous, basically a Fireball that could be run in all classes.
You never forget the first time you see a Leeroy get Knife Juggled to death by the whelps though. It's glorious.
Caved and diluted the purity of my F2P EU account by buying the Welcome Bundle.
Got my first Al'Akir, HARRISON JONES, Prep, and a golden Ancient of Lore. I also got Pit Lord, which is an easy 100 dust.
So super psyched on Harrison, it's a great legendary but never sexy enough to spend my dust on. Al'Akir is also really nice, since Shaman is such a fair and balanced class. I was already winstreaking all my Shaman quests on that account since the class cards are so busted, but now I have a fun burst finisher to combine with Rockbiter. (No Doomhammers on my EU account).
I'm not spending another 5 on Asia; that account is for my garbage F2P dust-poor decks only.
Don't worry, that dust you spent? You'll be getting it all back in a month.
Got my first Al'Akir, HARRISON JONES, Prep, and a golden Ancient of Lore. I also got Pit Lord, which is an easy 100 dust.
So super psyched on Harrison, it's a great legendary but never sexy enough to spend my dust on. Al'Akir is also really nice, since Shaman is such a fair and balanced class. I was already winstreaking all my Shaman quests on that account since the class cards are so busted, but now I have a fun burst finisher to combine with Rockbiter. (No Doomhammers on my EU account).
I'm not spending another 5 on Asia; that account is for my garbage F2P dust-poor decks only.
Don't worry, that dust you spent? You'll be getting it all back in a month.
Got Antonidas in my welcome pack, yay!
That's like the second best outcome for me. Only Grommash would have been better I guess.
Rest of the packs was thrash though, got my second Avenging Wrath and a golden Dread Corsair.
My pity timer got reset in last week's Brawl pack, so I didn't expect another legendary.
That's like the second best outcome for me. Only Grommash would have been better I guess.
Rest of the packs was thrash though, got my second Avenging Wrath and a golden Dread Corsair.
My pity timer got reset in last week's Brawl pack, so I didn't expect another legendary.
Blizz always post hate msg about him frequently tho
Nah.
He's just gonna always edge this line of potential damage from hand that Blizz could consider anti-fun, but that's about it. The nerf it already got was sufficient.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
That's why I asked, he's still being run in Reno Lock and sometimes aggro paladin but that's a miniscule amount of the meta.
just buy it from shop
Yeah, I thought it was reward for logging in. Any chance you can get more than 2 legendaries?
Mobius and pet octopus
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Everyone is getting legends today from welcome pack. I even got a legend from arena pack. Legends for days.
TetraxShards
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Outlook not so good.
I'm thinking of it as buying roughly 800 dust for $5. The only classic class legendaries I'm missing now are Velen and King Krush, neither of which I'm desperate for. I think I've dusted 3 Krushes, it was great getting him from Webspinner but he's not really worth a slot otherwise.
I'll almost be at 1600 again after this. I have most of the good legendaries, so I think I want to work towards the Pay to Lose deck again. Malchezzar in the Brawl was so fun with a 50 legendary deck, 35 legendaries has gotta be close. Probably have to play it in Wild though, not enough early game otherwise.
Yeah I just logged onto my PC after downloading the patch I got that legendary too (Jaraxxus). So that's 3 legendaries from Welcome pack total for me. Not bad at all this was a good haul
lol yeah
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