Portugeezer
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But you could do that now and it would be better because 8 mana minions in general are better than 9 mana minions.
Except when it does 1/3 of your health worth of damage with a Flametongue totem.
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But you could do that now and it would be better because 8 mana minions in general are better than 9 mana minions.
Except when it does 1/3 of your health worth of damage with a Flametongue totem.
Can't DE Charge, Execute and Rockbiter as they are basic.
Tuskar Totemic and Abusive Sergeant are commons, you will get 50 dust per DE so that's 200. If you don't plan to use them then they are safe DEs.
CotW will give 400 dust and it's safe to DE at least one I would say. If you really need the DE then DE the other one.
Do not DE until Yogg until we get clarification. If it gives 1600 then DE that ASAP.
Tuskar Totemic and Abusive Sergeant are commons, you will get 50 dust per DE so that's 200. If you don't plan to use them then they are safe DEs.
CotW will give 400 dust and it's safe to DE at least one I would say. If you really need the DE then DE the other one.
Do not DE until Yogg until we get clarification. If it gives 1600 then DE that ASAP.
irfaanator
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got that nice golden cotw for 1600 dust
Now you have a chance to get King Krush for the burst. And I would always play CotW on turn eight if I would have both in hand.
In my experience it definitely gets killed or at least transformed at least 40% of the time.
It's a great change though.
so, to make a common it cost 40 dust, but disenchanting a golden common gives 50, the same disenchantment cost applies to commons in nerfs?
bangbang i'm a timpani
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I'm really impressed with this patch. The abusive thing i didn't think about but it really was a problem.
My list of expectations.
1) Renolock got a TON here and I'm really happy with what I'm seeing.
2) Malydruid, which I maintain is the most overrated deck right now, is going to fall off with yogg out
3) N'zoth warrior just got better. It had plenty of other removal options anyway and its not like the execute nerf is going to kill it since it always has left over mana anyway.
4) Freeze mage gets a lot here and tempo mage lost a lot
5) Shaman is still good, aggro will probably transition over more towards a spell power focus.
6) Discolock becomes better
7) Priest is still terrible
8) Everyone trying to make secret paladin a thing when it totally will never be a thing are going to finally stop with the abusive nerf
My list of expectations.
1) Renolock got a TON here and I'm really happy with what I'm seeing.
2) Malydruid, which I maintain is the most overrated deck right now, is going to fall off with yogg out
3) N'zoth warrior just got better. It had plenty of other removal options anyway and its not like the execute nerf is going to kill it since it always has left over mana anyway.
4) Freeze mage gets a lot here and tempo mage lost a lot
5) Shaman is still good, aggro will probably transition over more towards a spell power focus.
6) Discolock becomes better
7) Priest is still terrible
8) Everyone trying to make secret paladin a thing when it totally will never be a thing are going to finally stop with the abusive nerf
The Mango Sentinel
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I dunno man...Shaman's still have the same stupid opening. Tunnel Trogg > Totem Golem > Coin, Feral Spirits > GG
The nerfs help, but it's still a fucking pain to deal with.
TetraxShards
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SP is not the best deck in wild. Mid Hunter and freeze mage are more powerful right now.
BananasWithGuns
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Rockbiter change seems dumb. Aggro will probably still use it but it fucks over all other Shaman decks and completely destroys the Al'Akir combo. Doomhammer should have been the target, not Rockbiter.
Tuskarr is pretty much garbage now. They should have made it a 3/3 at least.
Call of the Wild. Decent change, still a strong card but at least it comes out a turn later.
Execute, sure I guess.
Charge, thank you god.
Absusive Sergeant, thank you again god.
Yogg-Saron. RIP Yogg, I'll never forget you.
Tuskarr is pretty much garbage now. They should have made it a 3/3 at least.
Call of the Wild. Decent change, still a strong card but at least it comes out a turn later.
Execute, sure I guess.
Charge, thank you god.
Absusive Sergeant, thank you again god.
Yogg-Saron. RIP Yogg, I'll never forget you.
Why is everyone wanting to DE Yogg? We all crafted it for the fun aspect anyway, not the competitive. It still has that fun to it, doesn't it? Yogg doesn't get removed from the board in more than half my uses anyway.
I'm surprised at the total lack of modification to priest cards, though. All these changes, but nothing done to change purify?
I'm surprised at the total lack of modification to priest cards, though. All these changes, but nothing done to change purify?
I like that.
They don't hugely change the class and instead improve for a long term
also, removing the totem golem or the tunnel trogg isn't nearly as dfficult as it seems. It is pretty easy, instead, to make a doomhammer into double rockbitter, or a Al'Akir into double rockbitter
I was playing that opening before Shaman was Tier 1 and people were able to deal with it. I think the big thing is that without 1 mana rockbiter, Shaman won't be able to cheese out board control and tempo on turn 2.
The Mango Sentinel
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Well sure, I mean I can still "deal" with it now, but that doesn't make it feel fair. I have to get perfect draws and use a shitload of cards to do it. But now my Mana Wyrm won't get killed immediately, so that's huge.
They had to get a perfect draw to execute that curve. One less over powered 3 drop really hurts their early consistency.
I think midrange will entirely cut rockbiter, now that you have spirit claws it's really redundant anyway. Lightning bolt will usually work better for early removal specially if you run troggs and spell power. I think it only makes sense to play it if you have double doomhammer in your deck, so aggro. Combo's with Al'Alkir won't make sense with it at 10 mana for a card that is pretty bad otherwise. It's usually better to play it along with flametongue or now people can test primal fusion some more. That card is pretty good.
Guys I'm so happy right now.
Control Warrior floats so much mana it doesn't matter that execute was changed, it does hurt tempo/dragon warriors who want to maximize their mana usage which is fine with me.
The two Shaman cards had good nerfs--Rockbiter/Doomhammer is still gross but since it comes out later it might not be so oppressive.
Tuskarr gets a long-overdue change. No more high-rolling and snowballing from there.
Call of the Wild going to 9 makes me so happy. No more Highmane, coin COTW, COTW for turns 6,7 and 8.
Abusive sergeant is also a nice change, not a huge deal but it was such a great aggro tool. Getting an awesome battlecry and good stats was too much.
Yogg gets its consistency dialed way back. A fun card for people who want fun, but not a tournament-deciding card anymore. I love that it stops once it dies, which means casting it on an empty board is REALLY BAD since it'll be the only minion target for spells such as Hex. (as a CW I'm not building these wide boards so Yogg was frequently played on an empty or near empty board against me).
I also love that the Yogg player now has to pay for overload. Even if they get a really favorable Yogg, they might not be able to snowball from there when there next turn is mana-constricted.
TL
R so happy.
Control Warrior floats so much mana it doesn't matter that execute was changed, it does hurt tempo/dragon warriors who want to maximize their mana usage which is fine with me.
The two Shaman cards had good nerfs--Rockbiter/Doomhammer is still gross but since it comes out later it might not be so oppressive.
Tuskarr gets a long-overdue change. No more high-rolling and snowballing from there.
Call of the Wild going to 9 makes me so happy. No more Highmane, coin COTW, COTW for turns 6,7 and 8.
Abusive sergeant is also a nice change, not a huge deal but it was such a great aggro tool. Getting an awesome battlecry and good stats was too much.
Yogg gets its consistency dialed way back. A fun card for people who want fun, but not a tournament-deciding card anymore. I love that it stops once it dies, which means casting it on an empty board is REALLY BAD since it'll be the only minion target for spells such as Hex. (as a CW I'm not building these wide boards so Yogg was frequently played on an empty or near empty board against me).
I also love that the Yogg player now has to pay for overload. Even if they get a really favorable Yogg, they might not be able to snowball from there when there next turn is mana-constricted.
TL
R so happy.Nerfes are probably not live yet.
Guys I'm so happy right now.
Control Warrior floats so much mana it doesn't matter that execute was changed, it does hurt tempo/dragon warriors who want to maximize their mana usage which is fine with me.
The two Shaman cards had good nerfs--Rockbiter/Doomhammer is still gross but since it comes out later it might not be so oppressive.
Tuskarr gets a long-overdue change. No more high-rolling and snowballing from there.
Call of the Wild going to 9 makes me so happy. No more Highmane, coin COTW, COTW for turns 6,7 and 8.
Abusive sergeant is also a nice change, not a huge deal but it was such a great aggro tool. Getting an awesome battlecry and good stats was too much.
Yogg gets its consistency dialed way back. A fun card for people who want fun, but not a tournament-deciding card anymore. I love that it stops once it dies, which means casting it on an empty board is REALLY BAD since it'll be the only minion target for spells such as Hex. (as a CW I'm not building these wide boards so Yogg was frequently played on an empty or near empty board against me).
I also love that the Yogg player now has to pay for overload. Even if they get a really favorable Yogg, they might not be able to snowball from there when there next turn is mana-constricted.
TL
I'm now more tempted than ever to make a good control deck.
too bad I don't have the lot of cards it needs ha ha
Portugeezer
Member
Well you will be able to see it still costs 8 mana...
nerfs happen in a patch, no?
They even have a banner before entering the game when the nerfs are applied
Portugeezer
Member
You can see it's still a 2/1... but please, go ahead and continue to disenchant.
somebody fucked up lol.
Blizzard can't ever win everyone. This happens when your audience is too wide. Some people really enjoyed getting free flashy wins with Yogg.
Blizzard can't ever win everyone. This happens when your audience is too wide. Some people really enjoyed getting free flashy wins with Yogg.
Do you disenchant now? Hopefully you recreated them immediatly or you can wave your dust goodbye.
Of course. It's a ridiculous card that has ridiculous effects. It's divisive. I think this was a good compromise.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Don't see a reason to DE yogg. Still fucks shit up with only a few spells
BananasWithGuns
Member
Yogg is complete shit now so I don't blame people for being upset.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
What'd tempo warrior ever do to you blizzard
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Good set of nerfs. Thing from Below goes untouched though.
I think dragon warrior will pretty mediocre now, it has already fallen off quite a bit in favor control warrior and the deck doesn't really have that many execute activators. At 2 mana, it will be a lot harder to execute and develop something, you can actually put a brake on that curve now.
Portugeezer
Member
Yogg kills itself with first spell... turn 10 pass.
Forerunner
Member
Guess I'll run King Krush now.
BananasWithGuns
Member
I was expecting Yogg to get changed before Blizzcon, but I wasn't expecting Blizzard to make the change that makes the most sense. I'm sure people are salty about it because now they can't blindly throw Yogg into their decks and get ridiculous value from it.
Now I'm just hoping that I don't have to play a game that I don't care about to or do something stupid get Tyrande. Please Blizzard.
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Now I'm just hoping that I don't have to play a game that I don't care about to or do something stupid get Tyrande. Please Blizzard.
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