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fuckin' called it, man
I can't dust anything I don't use fack
The Wizard
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I like the nerfs, yogg is probably the only one I really played as of late and the change is reasonable. Makes it more of a risk as it should be.
I think the charge "nerf" will be benefical for warrior, it lets the card leave the OTK niche and can be incorporated into plenty of more decks now, you can combo it with Sylvannas as someone said, patrons, use it on another minion to clash it against a taunt and give your frothing berseker 2 attack, magnataur, etc. The 1-cost gives it grest flexibility
Guess I'll run King Krush now.
that.... could actually work with a CotW combo
I think it's more playable than before but still won't see much play. We need more beneficial combos for it to be a thing. It can be good with Sylvanas and Magnatuar Alpha but it's far from worth putting in your deck good.
If you could play Anomalus in warrior it could be pretty funny.
I think charge plus ravaging ghoul could be pretty damn strong against early game zoo and shaman.
And when we I suggested that exactly same execute nerf some weeks ago in this thread you were going crazy.
Well, at the time you guys wanted to nerf war axe, execute, shield slam, Brawl, and every other good warrior card.
It's basically a two-card Swipe.
I like the new Charge, it seems to me it will be close to Inner Fire: a niche card that can be really powerful in some situations.
It also can work in N'Zoth decks, since it combos with Sylvanas and Twilight Destroyers quite nicely.
Instructions unclear; bought 40 classic packs.
It's crazy because they didn't even change the card text or stats. It just changes 1 (2 with overload) mechanic that didn't even make sense in the 1st place.
LOL
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/54xyq9/after_disenchanting_yoggsaron_hopes_end_i_only/
Real_Madrid
Member
They finally nerfed the very aggressive cards. Every nerf is understandable and needed imo.
You could ask why it took so long and why 4/77 isn't nerfed.
I personally like Yogg as a fun card, but now it's 1600 dust, so it's fine.
You could ask why it took so long and why 4/77 isn't nerfed.
I personally like Yogg as a fun card, but now it's 1600 dust, so it's fine.
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thepotatoman
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Tuskarr might be a bigger nerf than it sounds. It is sooo much easier to survive when they don't win the 3 out of 7.
Shaman still might need to keep it for Thing From Below and Flametongue Totem, and have been getting more and more reliant on spell power totems.
On the other hand, I'm not sure if any deck would play a generic 3 mana 3/2 summon 0/2 with taunt, or 3/2 summon a 1/1. And I know no one would want a 3 mana 3/2 summon a 0/2 healing totem. Is the Thing From Below synergy really enough to make it worth it?
Shaman still might need to keep it for Thing From Below and Flametongue Totem, and have been getting more and more reliant on spell power totems.
On the other hand, I'm not sure if any deck would play a generic 3 mana 3/2 summon 0/2 with taunt, or 3/2 summon a 1/1. And I know no one would want a 3 mana 3/2 summon a 0/2 healing totem. Is the Thing From Below synergy really enough to make it worth it?
I'm a fan of Yogg, and I'm more than fine with the changes. Only thing I'm salty about the upcoming nerfs that I don't have single spare to get full dust value of any of those cards.
Of course, Yogg is now even more a final clutch card that can give you that perhaps little cheap victory, but with less chances of that happening.
Really happy with Tuskar and CotW changes, Tuskar probably might rotate out of Shaman's arsenal, but CotW will still be used, but don't have to fear that possible turn 7 coined CotW anymore.
Real_Madrid
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Some people just want to have fun... I liked the card.
Found a way for you to get your fix:
http://www.vegasslotsonline.com/wms/alice-and-the-mad-tea-party/
Some people just like to complain
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Solid set of changes. It hit many of the majors. I would have liked to see thing from below touched up. I would have liked to see blade flurry revisited. I am even happy with the abusive sergeant change, if leper gnome is anything to go by the 1 stat change is a bigger deal than it looks. The charge buff/nerf is interesting and I am sure people will look for new strategies there. It could be a new way to use sylvanas orcards like magnataur alpha, things that really excell at minion based combat but are sometimes too slow.
I have a lot of thoughts on what'll happen once the changes go live. I think midrange hunter takes the biggest hit, aggro shaman takes medium sized hit, midrange shaman takes a big hit, dragon warrior takes a solid hit, control warrior takes very little hit, rogues didn't get nerfed but they still got hit (flow over from last balance patch), OTK worgen warrior is obviously done, and druids take a medium sized hit.
So order of damage:
OTK worgen (honorary since it's dead)
hunter
midrange shaman
aggro shaman
dragon warrior
rogues
druids
control warrior
I have a lot of thoughts on what'll happen once the changes go live. I think midrange hunter takes the biggest hit, aggro shaman takes medium sized hit, midrange shaman takes a big hit, dragon warrior takes a solid hit, control warrior takes very little hit, rogues didn't get nerfed but they still got hit (flow over from last balance patch), OTK worgen warrior is obviously done, and druids take a medium sized hit.
So order of damage:
OTK worgen (honorary since it's dead)
hunter
midrange shaman
aggro shaman
dragon warrior
rogues
druids
control warrior
I see Freeze Mage being a bit more viable now along with Rogue.
Freeze Mage does well against Zoo and Midrange Shaman. You just ban Warriors. Less issues against Yogg decks too.
Rogue doesn't have to worry about more aggression from Shaman and Zoo I guess.
However, Control meta this is not going to make. Every single time we have these balance changes there's always the group that goes "control meta incoming!" and it never happens. The aggro/tempo decks will make adjustments and truck on.
Freeze Mage does well against Zoo and Midrange Shaman. You just ban Warriors. Less issues against Yogg decks too.
Rogue doesn't have to worry about more aggression from Shaman and Zoo I guess.
However, Control meta this is not going to make. Every single time we have these balance changes there's always the group that goes "control meta incoming!" and it never happens. The aggro/tempo decks will make adjustments and truck on.
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thepotatoman
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4 mana 7/7 doesn't have to be nerfed.
I understand it's bad that it's so punishing if not having an answer by turn 4. But if you do have an answer, you often want them to play it. Maybe if people didn't always discard their removal in the mulligan phase, you wouldn't see so many 7/7s with no answers.
The worst thing about it is there's not much you can do if there's a strong board around it by turn 4, but that's more the fault of Tunnel Trogg being so strong. I am a little annoyed Tunnel Trogg didn't get touched at all.
I understand it's bad that it's so punishing if not having an answer by turn 4. But if you do have an answer, you often want them to play it. Maybe if people didn't always discard their removal in the mulligan phase, you wouldn't see so many 7/7s with no answers.
The worst thing about it is there's not much you can do if there's a strong board around it by turn 4, but that's more the fault of Tunnel Trogg being so strong. I am a little annoyed Tunnel Trogg didn't get touched at all.
That's like... your opinion man.
Some people like tempo meta, some people like aggro meta, some people like control meta. This is all a matter of opinion. Ideally there's no specific archetype meta and you can just use control to counter aggro, aggro to counter combo and combo to counter control like it is in most other card games.
It's a problem when one archetype is so strong that the archetype counter does not work. If control cannot counter aggro then there's something really problematic with the game because that basically shuts down whole archetypes.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
It's funny how whenever anyone brings up control meta, the standard response is "you don't want a control meta". Well, how do you know?
A control meta means a lot of space for combo decks to flourish, which means tempo/aggro has a space as well. It's not like a control meta suddenly means tempo/aggro decks are invalid, just as much as a tempo meta doesn't mean control is invalid. But how would you know if a control meta is a bad thing if we've never really had a sustained control meta? That's just silly.
A control meta means a lot of space for combo decks to flourish, which means tempo/aggro has a space as well. It's not like a control meta suddenly means tempo/aggro decks are invalid, just as much as a tempo meta doesn't mean control is invalid. But how would you know if a control meta is a bad thing if we've never really had a sustained control meta? That's just silly.
RumblingRosco
Member
Win five games in a row as Priest in Ranked Standard.
Not only that but Control meta means you can actually use fun decks and not get severely punished for it. Control meta means more time to assemble your combo pieces to do your fun stuff. You will still probably lose, but you will feel less bad about losing that way.
There will not be a control meta in this game at least until the next rotation. There are far too many direct control counters in the game built in. If someone has a really strong control deck... then another player will pick Renolock to counter. Then you will have the aggro/burn decks prop up to counter that. Or control decks get so greedy they start putting in Malchazaar in their decks and then get punished by faster decks anyway. Not to mention that it also opens up Mill/Fatigue strategies to counter control. Not to mention other direct counters like Divine Favor and of course combo decks.
bangbang i'm a timpani
Banned
Miracle Rogue being able to sap highmane on 6 and not have to worry about COTW moving forward is so fucking huge since their power play is turn 6/7/8.
WOW. I was going through my post history to figure out the day I stopped loving Hearthstone (it was 9/12, the day a Control Priest with no cards and no resources played Yogg and lethaled me from 60+HP in two turns) and I found this post from 9/5 where I asked for the exact nerf they ended up going with.
Let's hope my prediction that the meta is good without OP card warping it also comes true!
We can hope!
I don't think so. You just might not want to risk it on an empty board anymore. It will still work 90 percent of the time to clear your opponent's board and give you some good card draw/secrets.
No wonder it took 2 years to get 18 deck slots.
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thepotatoman
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Since Druid has no board clears at all, they might still feel the need to occasionally risk it.
It's probably no longer worth risking for Mage though.
As far as Yogg Druid is concerned I think this will just mean that you might sub out a few weaker spells for minions to keep the spell count relatively modest.
This does absolutely kill Brann + Yogg shenanigans though, the likelyhood of Yogg even getting to the second battlecry seems nigh impossible now.
Plus, Yogg will still be awesome to get off of Golden Monkey/Malchezaar.
This does absolutely kill Brann + Yogg shenanigans though, the likelyhood of Yogg even getting to the second battlecry seems nigh impossible now.
Plus, Yogg will still be awesome to get off of Golden Monkey/Malchezaar.
Reynad's take on the subject:
reynad ‏@TempoReynad 8m8 minutes ago Huntington Beach, CA
Some necessary nerfs on execute and Yogg so it's good that the patch happened, but Shaman got a buff until rotation imo
Officerrob
Banned
Overall good nerfs, but the hit to Rockbiter is nowhere near enough for what was needed for the Doomhammer/Rockbiter combo
Agreed.
Shaman still the bawss.
I dont think Blizz was just aiming at the Doomhammer/Rockbiter combo, the nerf affects early removal options too.
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