Cheating mana costs is literally one of the strongest if not the strongest effects in T/CCGs there is. Innervate reigns supreme among those followed closely by prep. Prep could do a cost increase as well, I'd raise prep to 1 with no further changes and innervate to 2 adding 4 mana.We gonna start with the "Innervate too OP" cries yet again? FFS, give it a rest. And no, Druid hasn't "always" been top tier. They've had more basic and classic cards in use throughout, and yes, there's a difference between both things.
If we are going to start saying Swipe and Wild Growth and Wrath are too good now, might as well nerf Fireball and Consecration and Eviscerate and Fiery War Axe and every card that does something good while we are at it.
TempoStorm released a wild meta snapshot
https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/meta-snapshot/wild/2016-09-28
Cheating mana costs is literally one of the strongest if not the strongest effects in T/CCGs there is. Innervate reigns supreme among those followed closely by prep. Prep could do a cost increase as well, I'd raise prep to 1 with no further changes and innervate to 2 adding 4 mana.
Posting here to confim that this avatar is good. Hello Warrior my old friend.
EDIT: Also want to say that Tempostorm Wild Meta snapshot is complete trash.
The Secret Pally deck is horrible, they don't mention any paladin variants that exclude the secrets to force misplays, a lot of the other lists are questionable too. Usual stuff from them.
Cheating mana costs is literally one of the strongest if not the strongest effects in T/CCGs there is. Innervate reigns supreme among those followed closely by prep. Prep could do a cost increase as well, I'd raise prep to 1 with no further changes and innervate to 2 adding 4 mana.
Don't like their secret pally list at all.
I love how they have secret paladin on top of the meta but its matchup chart looks terrible for the deck.
not sure what others claim it's a pretty busted card.And yet it doesn't have the overwhelming effect some people claim it has in this game, and hasn't managed to push Druid or Rogue to the top by itself every year since the game existed.
It's almost like it's just a tool like many others classes have and depends much more in the companion cards printed.
Whats the problem with it? the excess of 1 copies?
I ran a N'Zoth Hunter list for a season, and N'Zoth almost never saw play or mattered. The big issue is the same as with all Hunter decks - there's no card draw. So you're literally waiting 20+ turns to draw him a lot of the time.
not sure what others claim it's a pretty busted card..
Azure Drake doesn't get a lot of use in Hunter decks - the only direct damage I use is Kill Command. Yeah, it's draw, but my decks are so tight that I like for every card to make sense.Curator / Hunter, mayne.
You could get beasts like...uh....Fire Bat or uh...Toad or that Wolf dood!
Then N'zoth them back!
Dragons are Azure Drakes or....hmm, I don't know...Chromaggus? lol
This patron deck Reynard is running looks solid
Azure Drake doesn't get a lot of use in Hunter decks - the only direct damage I use is Kill Command. Yeah, it's draw, but my decks are so tight that I like for every card to make sense.
When I was playing this game a lot, I actually ran 2x Cult Master for draw, and the deck also had 2x Snake Trap, 2x UTH, and various deathrattle minions that spawn other minions to ensure I could capitalize off of him. I really liked it, and it worked a lot, but the meta is so curve-heavy that you can't take a turn and just draw cards as a Hunter.
I think Innervate should just apply to minions cost reduction (not on hero power and spells) and Prep down to 2 mana spell reduction. That way we have Innervate working for minions and Prep working for spells both at 2 mana.
This is an unpopular opinion though.
Sure. It'll end up nerfed eventually. At least to the point it costs 1 and adds 3. Minor nerf only becoming relevant when topdecking it off a draw.Well, I'm glad Blizzard disagrees.
Why would you ever want to nerf rogue just for the sake for some weird cross class parity. Anyway, innervate's problem is skipping the curve too much. Not because it works with spells and minions. That aspect is fine.
But damn, nerf prep? Maybe erase rogue? It's already a tier 4 class.
A class that is tier 4 right now isn't necessarily tier 4 forever. Preparation makes it so that Blizzard has to think twice about making powerful high cost spells for Rogue. That's why you get stuff like Thistle Tea which really should've been a 5 mana spell.Why would you ever want to nerf rogue just for the sake for some weird cross class parity. Anyway, innervate's problem is skipping the curve too much. Not because it works with spells and minions. That aspect is fine.
But damn, nerf prep? Maybe erase rogue? It's already a tier 4 class.
A class that is tier 4 right now isn't necessarily tier 4 forever. Preparation makes it so that Blizzard has to think twice about making powerful high cost spells for Rogue. That's why you get stuff like Thistle Tea which really should've been a 5 mana spell.
If you are fine with Rogue's getting mediocre high cost spells in the future then sure, keep Preparation as is.
Innervate working with spells is actually a big deal and feeds into the insane versatility that Druid has. Stuff like Fandral and Violet Teacher wouldn't be nearly as good if you couldn't combine them with Innervate for big swing turns. There's just so much cheat potential in the Druid with Innervate.
But like I said this is an unpopular opinion of my own, I don't expect a lot of people to agree with it. Though I know I am not alone in this and I know that these cards have appeared on Blizzard's as well (especially Innervate). Honestly the only reason Innervate hasn't been nerfed right now is because it's one of those "class identity" cards that are immune to nerfs though I would argue that now that Execute is nerfed, there's no real sacred cow anymore.
BGH is fine at 5 mana, still sees play in Renolock deck.I think BGH would be more then okay as a 4mana card.
Molten Giant i have no clue how to make it fair i just miss the card and i miss handlock.
Blade Flurry should have only affected minions and maybe 3 mana instead of 4.
Rogue also used to have Tinker's Sharp Oil which worked extremely well with Prep.
Imagine more spells that are like that where they are high cost AND require combo but the effect is absurd (almost game winning). That's where Prep becomes insane.
Notice how they didn't print a card like Tinker's Sharp Oil again? Yeah because they are still scared of Prep.
I mean it's cool if you are ok with getting meh high cost spells for Rogue in the future but don't complain about it in when it happens because we all know why it's happening.
You mean shadowstrike? That card is amazing for 3 mana. Pilager, prep, shadowstrike is incredibly good. How many shadowstrike level cards should rogue get per expansion?
Rogue's problem is blade flurry being deleted.
Rogue's problem is blade flurry being deleted.
Rogue's problem is blade flurry being deleted.
Rogue's problem is blade flurry being deleted.
Rogue's problem is blade flurry being deleted.
Rogue's problem is blade flurry being deleted.
Rogue's problem is blade flurry being deleted.
Rogue's problem is blade flurry being deleted.
That's only 3 mana and there's no combo attached to it. You don't build a deck around it. I am talking about stuff like Tinker's Sharp Oil that needed set up, costed 4 mana and required a combo that you built your deck around.You mean shadowstrike? That card is amazing for 3 mana. Pilager, prep, shadowstrike is incredibly good. How many shadowstrike level cards should rogue get per expansion?
That's only 3 mana and there's no combo attached to it. You don't build a deck around it. I am talking about stuff like Tinker's Sharp Oil that needed set up, costed 4 mana and required a combo that you built your deck around.
And Shadowstrike is just another tempo removal for Rogue, they already have enough of that. I guess if you want to be playing the same type of Rogue deck from now until eternity then sure, Blizzard can keep making cards like Shadowstrike that further funnel Rogue into the same style of deck.
But I want to see more cards like Tinker Sharp Oil that enable a new deck type. And that's probably not going to happen with Prep staying as is.
Flurry needed an activator to do anything really
Reynad is absolutely right when he says the proper response to people not liking to play against combo decks like OTK Warrior or Freeze Mage because they aren't interactive isn't to delete them from the game entirely but to, you know, actually make playing against these decks interactive by printing anti-combo tech cards like Loatheb.
But then loatheb is very difficult to interact with as well, since you stop all spells lol
Wow, Shadowverse with the expansion already?Yeah, this would be a new kind of Hunter, probably too slow to succeed.
N'zoth, Dragon Hunter?
Go with some Deathrattle beasts.
DR beasts on 2, 4, and 6 mana.
Dragons on 3, 5, and 8.
Curator on 7.
Call of Skill on 9.
Just thinking out loud.
Huh, maybe I'll try to make something, but it'd take away time from Purify Priest and Y'shaarj Warlock. : /
When the heck is Duelyst coming out on tablets?
At least Shadowverse gets their new expansion tomorrow.
4 minute games... wtf?Wow, Shadowverse with the expansion already?
Duelyst is getting its mobile version in Q1 2017.
Also, check this out:
http://i.imgur.com/k3jbHNo.png
That's my win record tonight at S-Rank (legendary) using a deck that's so bad it isn't even ranked on the tier charts. Just smart play. :-D
You know how it is when Songhai wipes your board with backstabs thanks to double Jux + Killing Edge. ;-)4 minute games... wtf?
Those are some fast concedes.
Burgle Rogue isn't that good man.
I mean if we are complaining about Malygos/Questing Adventure Rogues being tier 4 (which they actually aren't) then Burgle Rogue is an untiered deck.
YouTube Archive of the Card Nerf stream that Dahbomb and I did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPT9Vu2e_sk