Mobius and pet octopus
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I never said it doesn't take any skill.
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It's easier relative to other decks, even shaman.
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I never said it doesn't take any skill.
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It's easier relative to other decks, even shaman.
sadly I agree. Got Priest quest this morning. quickly rerolled that to save myself frustration
And the most recent Data Reaper report has it at tier 3 in both Legend and regular ladder. >.< (I think it's a bit better than that, even if Hunter is having a bit of a resurgence.)
It's the only control deck that people think is good in this meta. If you want to play control and give yourself the best chance to win, Warrior is your best bet.
I love concede shaman, but I was referring to a snippet from vS report:
My main issue isn't that you can get to Rank 5 or even Legend with another control deck. There are plenty of decks that can get you there. The problem is that Tier 1 decks seem to flourish and overtake the meta. So instead of having interesting control games vs Paladin, Priest, Shaman, Warrior, etc. You have everyone jump on the Tier 1 control deck (Warrior) because of the ability to fend of Shaman.
The other factor is I don't want to hate Control Warrior. It has been around forever, but playing against it every other fucking game is soul crushing sometimes.
I see concede shaman still brought to tournament and that variant is tier 3.
I know its not considered tier 1 like Control Warrior but I would hazard a guess its worth playing?
But the matches just take so long. Even for Noxious his matches took 45 mins (for 3 matches) - edit
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I'm too lazy to climb past rank 15 so I have no idea if its possible. I do have a good win rate with the deck at my 'rank'.
I hate fighting against Control Warrior but it has really improved my understanding of the game
Yeah... As always I must defer to my higher ranked / more veteran gafs. I do prefer my Tempo Mage and sometimes alternate Freeze Mage
Never even looked up a Control mage ever til now lol
edit- I really do love the Hallazeal + Elemental Destruction combo. I get such satisfaction from it. But other cheaper decks are clearly better I agree
Never even looked up a Control mage ever til now lol
edit- I really do love the Hallazeal + Elemental Destruction combo. I get such satisfaction from it. But other cheaper decks are clearly better I agree
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Urgh there's just no climbing with Malygos rogue at rank 5. Everytime I make progress I queue into a couple shamans and am set back.
Yeah don't get me wrong. I have several variations of Control Shaman that I ran the last few months and they do really well for me. I think the fact they are Shaman kind of detracts from them seeing more play since mid-range/aggro is technically better.
It's the Shaman Witch Doctor or Beast Druid dilemma. The decks are perfectly fine and strong on their own but better versions exist of the deck making them a bit redundant.
I was doing Paladin/Warrior quest yesterday and got this:
I switched to arena for the rest of my play session. I'm extremely tempted to go for Legend next month with the patch changes. Hopefully the first few days of the patch with bring out some experimentation.
How many control decks does it take to change a lightbulb?
None, because control decks can't climb the ladder.
Honestly I like getting Paladin quests because it gives me a reason to queue into wild.
The Mango Sentinel
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Can't lie about how much I liked that.
Punishes usage of powerful minions and taunts which isn't fun.
Like you have a tough battle against an Aggro Hunter as Paladin, you survive until turn 8 and play Tirion... then the Hunter drops down Owl to silence Tirion and then continues to push face and kill you.
Though Spellbreaker still exists and I think the idea is that Blizzard didn't want Silence to be so tempo efficient on minions. You still have Earth Shock and the Priest 0 mana silence but it's probably fine to have class specific silence effects.
Mobius and pet octopus
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The reason is that they wanted your deck to be worse off in exchange for such a powerful effect such as silence.
Interesting, thanks for the explanation. Have they also dialed back on removal cards? Don't those also punish the use of big minions?
Mobius and pet octopus
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It's not because they wanted big minions to be stronger. They wanted the choice to include silence in your deck to be a real decision and not auto-include. Because now adding silence to your deck makes your overall deck weaker as a result, silence is more of a choice.
If they wanted silence to not punish tirion, they'd have removed silence effects. They made it weaker so it's not a no brainer include.
It's one thing to nerf the existing cards but is silence the only effect that's been discontinued?
Mobius and pet octopus
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Hmm, discontinued? I think they've only printed 1 card with silence since the classic set and that was purify. I think they've been cautious about silence from the very beginning cause it's just that powerful.
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I slightly misread your post... I'll have to think about that a bit more. I think transforming minions hasn't seen much if any new additions, and by that I mean transforming enemy minions not transforming your own like with faceless manipulator. So hex and polymorph, although polymorph boar is a card.
When do the changes go live?
I've got some downtime and considering just playing a whole bunch of Aggro Shaman games before switching up to midrange. I figure I have to get my Shaman win count up at some point before rotation swiftly kicks them back to Priest tier. While Priest is going to get over buffed because of the outcry.
I've got some downtime and considering just playing a whole bunch of Aggro Shaman games before switching up to midrange. I figure I have to get my Shaman win count up at some point before rotation swiftly kicks them back to Priest tier. While Priest is going to get over buffed because of the outcry.
They haven't technically printed a charge card in the last few expansions. Call of the wild sort of counts.
The silence demon card, but that's not a real card.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Hah yeah, okay there has been another silence card.
I would assume when the new season starts
I didn't even realize that because there are a lot of charge cards still in use. It's relatively rare that I see an Ironbeak Owl or any of the other silence cards.
They usually deploy patches on Tuesdays.
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zerokoolpsx
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No more OTK wars. That shit was annoying. I'll replace Totemic Tuskar once the patch is out. Everyone is gonna run cancer shaman until the nerfs are live haha.
I regret time and time again each moment people remind me that I didn't buy at least 1 wing of naxx... there are some very valuable cards there for wild.
Now I'm fucked if I want to go to wild
I found a similar shaman. the only thing is I left untouched his earth elemental and on the next turn he made a double faceless manipulator...
I just conceded
Familienoberhauptvogel
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You can craft Naxx cards. I could have gotten the first wing for free but I thought I'd never play HS again and ignored all the reminders.
Can't you just craft them now?
well that is if I would like to spend thousands of dust to get them.
madness..
I'm regretting not getting it when I had the chance.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Watched tides lose to a yogg this morning and... the first spell was hex on yogg. He would have won post patch easy.
I don't love mad scientist in my hunter deck. But I don't run many secrets.
It is ridiculously good with medivhs valet in mages.
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