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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
The tempo list has zero healing so freeze mage eats them for breakfast, hutner can still tempo them out, but they are getting nerfed with CotW, priest has a better NZoth variant,...
Wild is both healthier and unhealthier than Standard.
You see more class variety and deck variety.
But there's a lack of card variety as a lot of decks use very similar neural minions even if they are using different decks. It's difficult to play a Wild game and not run into Scientist, Shredded, Belched, Loatheb, Dr Balanced and Nzoth. Any class can play these cards and have an annoying deck to deal with.
You can use Freeze Mage to beat them fairly consistently.
Nzoth Priest does decent against it too.
Grim Patron Warrior does very well too right now but with 2 mana Execute that will be less favorable.
And all these decks run Nzoth too minus Freeze Mage so Secret Paladin isn't some special abuser of Nzoth.
That's more bad match ups than Midrange Shaman has right now. Secret Paladin is still the god though.
You see more class variety and deck variety.
But there's a lack of card variety as a lot of decks use very similar neural minions even if they are using different decks. It's difficult to play a Wild game and not run into Scientist, Shredded, Belched, Loatheb, Dr Balanced and Nzoth. Any class can play these cards and have an annoying deck to deal with.
You out tempo them with Zoo which has always been favorable for Zoo.
You can use Freeze Mage to beat them fairly consistently.
Nzoth Priest does decent against it too.
Grim Patron Warrior does very well too right now but with 2 mana Execute that will be less favorable.
And all these decks run Nzoth too minus Freeze Mage so Secret Paladin isn't some special abuser of Nzoth.
That's more bad match ups than Midrange Shaman has right now. Secret Paladin is still the god though.
They are less annoying to me because you have the tools to deal with them.
But I've also only been playing wild for a month and a half or so and never played much pre wotog so I'm not burnt out on Belchers and booms like many here.
A new player can't access wild mode at all until they craft a wild card. Once in, they can play standard decks all they want.
I just tried it with my dummy account. I can definitely access wild the normal way with no wild cards.
N'Zoth is basically the meta defining card in Wild. Either your deck runs it, or not and that determines like... 50% of the deck right there. Belchers, Shredders, Haunted Creepers, etc. You might run a couple of those but if you're running all of them (and any class cards that have deathrattles), you might as well put in N'Zoth. It's so common in Wild that you can more or less assume your opponent has it in their deck and the goal is to either play yours first and win before they play theirs, or control them until they play it and clear their board and play yours. 80% of the time that's how the games seem to play out to me. Who has the board clears and who has the big swing turn.
It isn't that different from Standard really, except that in Standard you need to have those answers quicker because the game won't be guaranteed to last to 10 turns without cards like Belcher & co.
It isn't that different from Standard really, except that in Standard you need to have those answers quicker because the game won't be guaranteed to last to 10 turns without cards like Belcher & co.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Just a few things that make wild worse than standard:
mad scientist
freeze mage
secret paladin
n'zoth in most decks
smorc hunter
implosion
shredder
dr. boom
loatheb
...
Over time wild will get worse as the power creep continues to build. And it seems like N'zoth broke wild.
Secret paladin's curve:
zombie chow
minibot
muster
shredder
loatheb
mysterious challenger
dr. boom
tirion
MC 2 + muster, belcher/loatheb + shredder, etc.
N'zoth
Standard might be plagued by shamans. It might have too many games decided by yoggsaron. But it's several magnitudes better than secret paladin and all the nasty RNG cards that got rotated out.
mad scientist
freeze mage
secret paladin
n'zoth in most decks
smorc hunter
implosion
shredder
dr. boom
loatheb
...
Over time wild will get worse as the power creep continues to build. And it seems like N'zoth broke wild.
Secret paladin's curve:
zombie chow
minibot
muster
shredder
loatheb
mysterious challenger
dr. boom
tirion
MC 2 + muster, belcher/loatheb + shredder, etc.
N'zoth
Standard might be plagued by shamans. It might have too many games decided by yoggsaron. But it's several magnitudes better than secret paladin and all the nasty RNG cards that got rotated out.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I've gotten AlAkir 3 times today off of Swashburglar.
Did you start your account before or after the rotation? I'll try it on my Asia account when I get a chance. It's possible I'm wrong, even though that's never happened before.
BananasWithGuns
Member
I love when my opponent plays a complete dumbfuck but all they have to do is just drop Call of the Wild on 8 and 9 and then top deck lethal. It's great.
Did you start your account before or after the rotation? I'll try it on my Asia account when I get a chance. It's possible I'm wrong, even though that's never happened before.
After the rotation.
Decided to make a Malygos-OTK-Priest. This is what I came up with:
One game, 100% winrate. I think I'll retire it. It can only get worse.
Wouldn't you want to be running clerics and circles for ultra fast cycling?
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I think patching broke it.
bunbun777
Member
Now think about that other guy that has gotten totemic might three times.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I consistently get bolster from warrior for some reason.
Same happened to me, Scan and Repair seemed to fix it though.
Alright, now I have my post nerf-dust, time to craft a new Legendary.
Thought about it but in order for that to be effective I think I should include a Wild Pyro, too. But it isn't a serious attempt at a deck. I just like Malygos + 2x Mind Blast + 2 Holy Smite.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Yep.
And now I dusted COTW... the first card I crafted in OG. And I never opened a second one apparently lol
Just for yogg? Or also for call of the wild?
Thanks for the info and insight on wild. The thing that got me to finally look it up was someone on here saying I should try it out after I was whining about how ineffective priest is, but I don't think they realized how new to the game I am. I'm still hovering between 18 and 14 in ranked (and sometimes all the way back up to 20). I've got other fish to fry before I try wild.
BananasWithGuns
Member
I'll miss ya, buddy. Even if you did get a bit too broken there toward the end.
For Call of the Wild too, of course. I just wasn't sure how Yogg was going to be treated since the card text and stats didn't change at all, just some game mechanics.
Yea i see. Thanks for the info!
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Took some time to rank 10 but laddering with Maly Rogue is still the most fun.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I already played enough today, had a bunch of free time... now they drop the patch right after I stopped lol... the timing...
I mean shit, I just tested a bunch of decks today too. Would have loved to try them post balance. I guess I'll play more tonight.
I mean shit, I just tested a bunch of decks today too. Would have loved to try them post balance. I guess I'll play more tonight.
Dusted my cards. Will wait how everything settles before I craft something with it. From my last games with Yogg I feel like it'll still see play. Either played by me or my opponent, he always cleared the other side of the board and buffed himself. Happened 6 times or so in a row.
TetraxShards
Member
I did the Kripp thing of buying packs in search of dust:
That'll do.
That'll do.
BananasWithGuns
Member
So now that Tuskarr is dead and buried, any chance that Master of Ceremonies is actually worth experimenting with?
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Maybe unbound elemental. Especially since you'll probably want to run lightning bolt over rockbiter.
Ugh... shaman are gonna still be really strong...
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Did the same but no luck yet.
did you not run both already? I'd still want to run 1 Rockbiter for AlAkir but I think I'll swap the 2nd with another primal fusion.
put a horserider and you are set to go
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I don't run shaman. I used to when they weren't completely broken. I like strong decks but... shaman is just absurd.
I don't think lightning bolt is necessarily auto-include, but if you need more removal, stormcrack.
GwyndolinCinder
Member
gdi i was really enjoying playings secret hunter, rip cotw.
Tuskarr has 25% chance of spawning a spell damage totem, which is worth bearing in mind for MoC.
Tuskarr has 25% chance of spawning a spell damage totem, which is worth bearing in mind for MoC.
theytookourjobz
Junior Member
What does the "You will no longer be able to disenchant cards that are not part of your collection." mean?
Also, I'm a newb, if I have some of the cards they nerfed, should I automatically disenchant them?
Also, I'm a newb, if I have some of the cards they nerfed, should I automatically disenchant them?
That slap on the wrist didn't do shit to Shaman. Still as ridiculous as before. Now they just have a higher chance to roll spell or taunt. They have so many amazing cards the Rockbiter nerf is irrelevant because they most decks don't even use it.
Just going to use Warrior for last 4 ranks. It's not worth the frustration to try to use any other deck with all these Shamans. Why the hell did Blizzard give Shaman a better War Axe when they already had the best early game minions in the game? it makes no sense.
Just going to use Warrior for last 4 ranks. It's not worth the frustration to try to use any other deck with all these Shamans. Why the hell did Blizzard give Shaman a better War Axe when they already had the best early game minions in the game? it makes no sense.
Yes. If you need to recraft them later you can do so without any net loss in arcane dust.
slightconfuse
Banned
Time to buy some packs later?
Going to keep Yogg tho. It's a fun card and can still be effective imo
Going to keep Yogg tho. It's a fun card and can still be effective imo
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