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[Astray]

Good reminder.

But that logic, they would have expected it to sell, what, 20-25 million copies? 10 million on PlayStation, ~7-10 million on PC, ~3-5 million on Xbox.

Now the real question is: what exactly were they smoking?

I'm assuming these forecasts are lifetime, but still.. That's a massively overrated forecast and kinda tells you the budget this game had (which it likely won't make back by the end of 2025).

The other thing is, this game in particular is a really bad choice to play console war troll over because it's probably one of the most court-documented ones ever. So there's receipts out there that might counter anything you claim.

We know from FTC court documents that Phil and his leadership team made a deal with Disney to take it exclusive after the fact, a decision that honestly looks disastrous now (they likely paid Disney money and THEN decided to still release it on PS5 with a very short delay).

The big issue with buying beleaguered publishers like Zenimax is you essentially get locked to whatever product pipeline and agreements they have in place, even the ones that weren't well-thought out in terms of project cost (like this or even HiFi-Rush) or in creative terms (like Redfall and to a lesser extend, Starfield).

 

[Heisenberg007]

I'm assuming these forecasts are lifetime, but still.. That's a massively overrated forecast and kinda tells you the budget this game had (which it likely won't make back by the end of 2025).

The other thing is, this game in particular is a really bad choice to play console war troll over because it's probably one of the most court-documented ones ever. So there's receipts out there that might counter anything you claim.

We know from FTC court documents that Phil and his leadership team made a deal with Disney to take it exclusive after the fact, a decision that honestly looks disastrous now (they likely paid Disney money and THEN decided to still release it on PS5 with a very short delay).

The big issue with buying beleaguered publishers like Zenimax is you essentially get locked to whatever product pipeline and agreements they have in place, even the ones that weren't well-thought out in terms of project cost (like this or even HiFi-Rush) or in creative terms (like Redfall and to a lesser extend, Starfield).

Oh for sure. Those were lifetime sales projections.

But considering that most game sales, especially for story-driven games, are front-loaded nowadays, they'd have expected the game to blow up like Spider-Man PS4 right out of the gate.

 

[Guesclin]

There's 23.8K viewers on Xbox-Twitch, is it the destiny of mid corridor SP games ? To be watch but not played ?
The game appears to feature puzzles quite prominently which isn't very popular with the Fortnite audience.
The movie and the lack of marketing didn't help either

 

[hemo memo]

PS5 will be needed to save it

They couldn't save their own game.

 

[yazenov]

indi is currently the top selling full price game on steam, behind only the steam deck itself, PoE2 and the free marvel rivals.

12k CCU though

 

[Horseganador]

Steam metrics have always been used in forums to measure the success or failure of games (like PS ports or a few weeks ago with Stalker 2) but now that Indiana Jones is a disaster the metrics are no longer valid...xDD.

 

[Thief1987]

Good reminder.

But that logic, they would have expected it to sell, what, 20-25 million copies? 10 million on PlayStation, ~7-10 million on PC, ~3-5 million on Xbox.

Now the real question is: what exactly were they smoking?

Well these expectations could have been somewhat reasonable for Starfield. IJ on the other hand lol, complete delusion.

 

[GHG]

12k CCU though

Yeh, unfortunately it means the bar is low right now in order to feature on the list below counter strike 2.

 

[Germuso]

The game looks good, AAA are doomed.

 

[MMaRsu]

Steam metrics have always been used in forums to measure the success or failure of games (like PS ports or a few weeks ago with Stalker 2) but now that Indiana Jones is a disaster the metrics are no longer valid...xDD.

Its not a disaster at all, but keep trying to paint that picture.

 

[yazenov]

Steam metrics have always been used in forums to measure the success or failure of games (like PS ports or a few weeks ago with Stalker 2) but now that Indiana Jones is a disaster the metrics are no longer valid...xDD.

Their only metric for success now is engagement since they can spin it however they want

Yeah its hilarious now that Steam CCU doesn't matter when we had plethora of threads for other games and no one was complaining about that until now.

 

[Kokoloko85]

I dont think Steam CU numbers mean that much for single player games that are also on other platforms. Its getting boring reading about how it means a game has failed, all the time.
Sometimes Ill buy a new game and play it months later lol, especially when Im abroad.

Game has scored well, thats the best they could ask for. Gamepass effects sales and even then the game should be selling enough, its just harder and needs multplatform love. Its a dumb business model and wouldnt work without MS billions

As for is this game for PC market? Yeah why not, its a first person action adventure. Some of you act like PC games dont have narrative heavy cutscenes, long conversations and cinematic. Felt like the 90’s and early 2000’s was full of this

 

[Heisenberg007]

Its not a disaster at all, but keep trying to paint that picture.

It's not?

While peak CCU numbers may change in the future (I think they will go up from here because of good reviews and word of mouth), at the moment, its CCU is even lower than Suicide Squad - which is getting shut down now.

And Suicide Squad would have also got more sales on Xbox because it didn't launch on Game Pass.

As of now, until its fortunes change significantly, Indiana Jones is a critical hit but commercial failure.

 

[deriks]

Marketing wasn't that good, that's for sure

Still, it's a shame. Game is great

 

[Orbital2060]

Game pass + digital premium upgrade here.

 

[Thief1987]

I dont think Steam CU numbers mean that much for single player games that are also on other platforms. Its getting boring reading about how it means a game has failed, all the time.
Sometimes Ill buy a new game and play it months later lol, especially when Im abroad.

Which "other" platforms? 90% of players on Xbox will be on gamepass, so no money from there whatsoever.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Which "other" platforms? 90% of players on Xbox will be on gamepass, so no money from there whatsoever.

Isnt the game on PC and coming to PS5 next 6 months? Thats where they’ll get the majority of sales, they will have to anyway

 

[rm082e]

This game was always a head-scratcher for me. I wish I could understand who thought this team making a game in this IP was an idea worth greenlighting. I assumed Machine Games would do better than most expected with it because they've got a solid track record of making good stuff. But the Indy IP only has value with Gen X and older Millennials at this point. I don't think the kids are into it.

Hearing it's more of a stealth-adventure game than a shooter makes sense thematically, but also sounds like something I wouldn't be interested in.

I hope it doesn't sell bad enough to tank Machine Games. Hopefully they get another opportunity to make something that's in-line with their creative talents.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Dumb, clickbait thread. Anyone with a brain is playing on Gamepass and saving that $$.

https://steamdb.info/app/1643320/charts/

vs

https://steamdb.info/app/2677660/charts/

Apples to apples.

 

[MarV0]

https://steamdb.info/app/1643320/charts/

vs

https://steamdb.info/app/2677660/charts/

Apples to apples.

Its sad how much sales Stalker 2 lost to gamepass.

 

[TropicanaTwista]

It was greenlit before Dial of Destiny bombed so the last real point of reference was Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, which was decently successful despite it not being a fan favourite. That was at least ten years earlier though, and in hindsight Crystal Skull also seemed to kill most interest people had in the franchise continuing. FWIW, I had no interest in Dial of Destiny despite growing up with and loving Raiders and Last Crusade (never liked Temple of Doom much).

Also, why the heck am I going to spend £60 to buy it on Steam when I can play it on Gamepass?

This is kind of my point though. A lot of younger people didn't grow up with nor care about Indiana Jones. Its just an odd choice. Pretty sure this was greenlit before MS bought Bethesda, so can't blame them too much here, but a similar situation with the new perfect dark game. The latest entry in that IP was over a decade ago, and it was met to a meh reception. The last entry that was liked was nearly 20 years ago. Why are these games getting greenlit?

I'd rather these devs just create brand new IPs in that case.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Its not a disaster at all, but keep trying to paint that picture.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

The main downside of this to me is that all the sad parasitic hate farmers on YouTube who were subdued and laughed off by the game's sterling critical reception will now feel renewed by the Steam results, and a fresh wave of insufferable videos to be viewed by millions will be being editing as we speak.

 

[demigod]

No shock that the trolls are totally wrong here for claiming this game has 5000 or 8000 concurrent players

Yet you instantly made a thread about Steam user reviews and Steam concurrent users piggy backing from the other 2 newly releases. Gee I wonder why you didn’t make a thread about indy CCU alone?

Marketing wasn't that good, that's for sure

Still, it's a shame. Game is great

Everytime an xbox game commercially flops seems to always point to “no marketing”. The game has been announced at a lot of shows, deep dives, previews. Yet no marketing amirite?

Oh hey what’s this ad about?

 

[MMaRsu]

The main downside of this to me is that all the sad parasitic hate farmers on YouTube who were subdued and laughed off by the game's sterling critical reception will now feel renewed by the Steam results, and a fresh wave of insufferable videos to be viewed by millions will be being editing as we speak.

INDIANA JONES GREAT CIRCLE OF FAILURE????

WATCH NOW TO GET THE LATEST SCOOP

INDIANA JONES A FAILURE??!?!?!?

 

[Humdinger]

Isnt the game on PC and coming to PS5 next 6 months?

3 months, but yes.

 

[Metnut]

By all accounts this looks like a solid game but the Indy IP is just so boring to me I’m not really interested in trying it (when it comes to PS5) unless it’s overwhelmingly well thought of.

Complex puzzles are this thing for me too. Sometimes I enjoy them but spending too much time trying to fit together obtuse details isn’t something I really want to be doing.

 

[MMaRsu]

By all accounts this looks like a solid game but the Indy IP is just so boring to me I’m not really interested in trying it (when it comes to PS5) unless it’s overwhelmingly well thought of.

Complex puzzles are this thing for me too. Sometimes I enjoy them but spending too much time trying to fit together obtuse details isn’t something I really want to be doing.

They arent complex puzzles.

And yes, its overwhelmingly well made.

 

[David Ricardo]

I think the last movie and the trailer with the karen companion hurt the game. But if it's respectful with Indy, which it appears to be, it will have more and more users as time goes by.

 

[Brakum]

Indiana Jones is a dead franchise.. disney took good care of this ....

I dont think there is a big audience for single player action adventure type of games on PC.

God of War did okay but even then not that much for a God of War game, and even then i think it was more of a novelty thing of the big Play Station games coming to PC. Ragnarok didnt even do half of the previous game.

The biggest one seems to have been Tomb Raider, but again i would attribute that to those games slowly coming to PC at the time and it was a big comeback, the next ones did significantelly worse.

Maybe a God of War day one release could break the 100k but i dont think it would do a lot better than that. Which isn't bad, but it's nothing compared to consoles, most genres on PC can do better than that, even if we ignored like the 3 biggest games of the genre.

 

[ssringo]

It's only $10 but the $70 price tag (in general) has turned out to be quite a mental hurdle for me. I just don't want to pay that unless I have zero qualms about the game. There's just too much stuff for cheaper.

 

[DirtInUrEye]

I think the last movie and the trailer with the karen companion hurt the game. But if it's respectful with Indy, which it appears to be, it will have more and more users as time goes by.

Where is the karen companion? Do you mean the female sidekick? I'm not picking up any sense of her being a "Karen". Where does this come from? Or is it just arbitrary chauvinism? Probably.

Legendary character Marion wouldn't have stood a chance with internet saddos, had the internet been around back then.

 

[deriks]

Yet you instantly made a thread about Steam user reviews and Steam concurrent users piggy backing from the other 2 newly releases. Gee I wonder why you didn’t make a thread about indy CCU alone?


Everytime an xbox game commercially flops seems to always point to “no marketing”. The game has been announced at a lot of shows, deep dives, previews. Yet no marketing amirite?

Oh hey what’s this ad about?

I guess that you don't understand how marketing really works

For the sake of comparison, the Wii U used marketing more of quantity. Showing a lot the console, games and whatever. A LOT of those stuff sucked. Just sucked. Didn't matter how much they did, changes or whatever. Most of them sucked. But good thing that they learn and with the Switch they nailed the hell of it. First trailer has energy, shows how the hardware works, games, even championships that are not really a thing with Nintendo... It was a redemption from day one

But Xbox is in a deep shit since the final days of the 360, and the Don Matrick saying about DRM still haunts everyone to this day. The new slogan of "this is a Xbox" is not bad, but not great. Having a Indiana Jones game not long after a bad movie doesn't help either. The game having a weird launch window also doesn't help - I could only play at 21h on a sunday?! Dude...

Nowadays game stores are dying. But outdoor ads are a thing. Even fucking Netflix does this with some shows. TV, bus ads, whatever, could also work. Sony does that shit with some game here and there, and guess what, it sells. A very well established franchise like that needs more than it has now

 

[DirtInUrEye]

INDIANA JONES GREAT CIRCLE OF FAILURE????

WATCH NOW TO GET THE LATEST SCOOP

INDIANA JONES A FAILURE??!?!?!?

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I stand with the other 10,000 subscribers of the great Trent Report for all my major video game news. He is almost as cutting edge as Dreamcast Guy.

 

[MMaRsu]

Fucking hell bro

 

[DirtInUrEye]

Anyone else get depressed that humans with access to internet turned out the way they did?

 

[adamsapple]

It's an objective tech-analysis.

And at least animations in Indy are laughable, as is the combat.
Objectively on the level of last-gen.

Fun-factor is a different matter, but that's highly subjective.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Sure I do. I actually agreed with pretty much everything everyone here on Gaf said about Concord.

It's just that a certain group of people lack any objectivity so they didn't even notice it. They still don't.

 

[adamsapple]

Sure I do. I actually agreed with pretty much everything everyone here on Gaf said about Concord.

It's just that a certain group of people lack any objectivity so they didn't even notice it. They still don't.

You brought up things like Performance as a positive on Concord and that it's something Indy isn't doing well, now *that* is an objectively false statement, Indy is locked 60fps, 1800p with RTGI to boot, a rare feat for any console game this gen, both the console and PC tech analysis video praise the game. You're clinging onto something you saw in a low bitrate YT video as your gotcha evidence.

So, no, you really don't know what objectively means in context here.

 

[MMaRsu]

Sure I do. I actually agreed with pretty much everything everyone here on Gaf said about Concord.

It's just that a certain group of people lack any objectivity so they didn't even notice it. They still don't.

Why do you keep bringing up Concord? What the hell does that game have to do with Indiana Jones??????

 

[MMaRsu]

You brought up things like Performance as a positive on Concord and that it's something Indy isn't doing well, now *that* is an objectively false statement, Indy is locked 60fps, 1800p with RTGI to boot, a rare feat for any console game this gen, both the console and PC tech analysis video praise the game. You're clinging onto something you saw in a low bitrate YT video as your gotcha evidence.

So, no, you really don't know what objectively means in context here.

It's pathetic. He seems to be clinging to ragging on this game no matter what.

And for what? Console fanboy bullshit. How sad.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

You brought up things like Performance as a positive on Concord and that it's something Indy isn't doing well, now *that* is an objectively false statement, Indy is locked 60fps, 1800p with RTGI to boot, a rare feat for any console game this gen, both the console and PC tech analysis video praise the game. You're clinging onto something you saw in a low bitrate YT video as your gotcha evidence.

So, no, you really don't know what objectively means in context here.

I didn't say anything about Indy's performance. That comment is solely on you.

I was talking things where Concord did a solid job. That's being objective.

 

[Aguero9320]

These Steam CCU threads are so thirsty...
I've played this on four different "platforms" - Xbox, PC, Geforce Now and Xcloud, none of which are Steam.
It's not 2016 any more.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Why do you keep bringing up Concord? What the hell does that game have to do with Indiana Jones??????

Both are mediocre and don't generate a lot of interest. One is just performing less bad.

 

[adamsapple]

Both are mediocre and don't generate a lot of interest. One is just performing less bad.

Comments like this are why some users call your posts unhinged.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Comments like this are why some users call your posts unhinged.

What makes you think I care?

 

[adamsapple]

What makes you think I care?

Clearly you don't care about objectivity, that much we all figured already.

 

[yazenov]

Isnt the game on PC and coming to PS5 next 6 months? Thats where they’ll get the majority of sales, they will have to anyway

They kind of killed the potential sales momentum of the game on the ps5 since the hype for this game might decline as time goes by. It should have been launched day one on PS5 for maximum sales potential. I guess they prioritised Gamepass subscription over unit sales.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Clearly you don't care about objectivity, that much we all figured already.

The real problem is that you just don't like what I'm saying.

If I said the exact same things about Veilguard, nobody would give a shit.
But because Xbox is the publisher, somehow I'm 'console warring'.

Thing is though, Indy will be just another game on PS5 like Veilguard is, or Marvel Rivals.
There literally is no difference and I won't treat any game different than the other in that regard.