Oblivion alone probably kept a lot of people occupied until Gears of War hit.
Kotaku Rumor: Microsoft 6 months behind in game production for X720 [Pastebin = Ban]
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Oblivion alone probably kept a lot of people occupied until Gears of War hit.
And this is what people were worried about when win8 launched.
That is, a situation wherein big game titles, both 1st and 3rd party, will release only through the windows app store and require winRT. It will mean more money for ms and more control over the software for the developers.
It will also mean higher prices and much less retail competition in the PC space and the end of win7 as a decent gaming platform.
lastflowers
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Some responses inline.
We *know* Durango is x86 based. This implies no Windows RT. If Xbox is to take anything from Windows, Xbox would use the kernel and probably a lot of other low-level technologies from Windows. Xbox would also 'port/customize/expose' a lot of WinRT API.
If the App store rumor is true, Xbox would probably expose those API to the app store developers along with specifically xbox-only API (kinnect? whatever else). This would be beneficial to the entire MS ecosystem, as the WinRT APIs are on phone, xbox,Desktop/tablet
I think you might be misunderstanding me. This would be for the indie developers who don't get big publisher contracts. The 1$-10$ games. Again, All speculation, , but I think this would be beneficial to both the end user AND Microsoft.
clutch.as.it.gets.
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Yep, i also felt the 360 launch was strong. I bought all the games you mentioned with the exception of Need for Speed and had a hell of a time (and Kameo really gave me that Next gen feel with its great parallax mapping textures).
famousmortimer
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Many times? I have asked and been giving one thing that I could verify and that was the esram speed and that will not be proven until MS releases specs. So how has he been proven legit?
Maybe they'll just ship Kinects in November and send the console to us at a later, unspecified date.
lastflowers
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I can't speak for any of the past 4 console launches, but the Vita's launch was amazing (to me). That system kept me so busy...
Sorc3r3r
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History of his post are few clicks away.
The burden of proof is not on me.
Yes it is, the burden of proof is always on the one trying to dispute the evidence. He is simply putting out info out there and it's up to people here to believe him or not but if you want to say he's lying you have to show us some proof.
We'll find out May 21st...
Father_Brain
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This is why I never believed any of the rumors rampant until early last year that the next Xbox was supposed to launch in 2012.
http://topbestlisted.blogspot.com/2011/08/top-10-best-paid-forum-posting-jobs-on.html
expect to make $3-$5/hour.
If you want to whore yourself for companies like MS etc, you need to work for a large PR firm with ironclad guards against any astroturfing accusations being able to stick against the client. You might want to shoot off a resume to Bivings Group or similar.
further reading: http://www.monbiot.com/2011/02/23/robot-wars/
EDIT: check out this thread for some good role models: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=552004
Ninja Moomin
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Tolito:
why blow the lid on this now?
Ms pr will not favour you during launch.
the only way I can rationalise vthis us you are already off a deal and have nothing to lose... Or you perceive a storm of Xbox criticism is coming and positioning yourself for that is better in the long run as pr threats will mean nothing then.
in any instance you have most to lose if this is false... Ergo I believe it to be true.
why blow the lid on this now?
Ms pr will not favour you during launch.
the only way I can rationalise vthis us you are already off a deal and have nothing to lose... Or you perceive a storm of Xbox criticism is coming and positioning yourself for that is better in the long run as pr threats will mean nothing then.
in any instance you have most to lose if this is false... Ergo I believe it to be true.
Giant Panda
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Here is what I remember about his claims:
1. He got Durango's RAM speeds correct
2. He was the first one to claim Sony's RAM was upgraded to 4 GB, which was correct.
3. He got PS4's box dimensions hilariously wrong. I guess technically they could be right as we don't know the actual dimensions but the dimensions he claimed were just straight up ridiculous
4. Claimed 8 GB was impossible.
There were other rumors he had, but I don't remember them. Maybe the ones I'm forgetting improve his rumor track record, but from what I recall he hasn't been super reliable.
lastflowers
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that's pretty sad for anyone involved in that. Also the accusations you make are saddening
hydragonwarrior
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Durango needs to spread hype by saying it has something that sounds cool yet technical (i.e. 8 GB DDRAM)
Pretty sure he got PS4's RAM speed correct as well (when we were all assuming 192).
If a person claims something then the burden is on that person to supply some support for that claim, some evidence that others can examine before accepting it.
The way I've always taken insiders is as nothing more than mouthpieces. They'll be used to disemminate information. And I'd imagine they'd be happy with it. First with info and knowing more than the average poster. Now that mouthpiece role of course is subject to abuse / failing.
The danger of this type of insider is that those "I've heard posts..." get more traction than they ordinarily would.
On my phone or I'd explain it better!
Edit: A certain type of insider.
Uno Venova
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And you were told to check the posting history, I don't see why it's someone's job to find the quotes so you can think he is legit.
pharmboy044
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I think BruceLeeRoy was the one who gave us that and he (Thuway) verified the info?
This is simply not possible. Some people have a good track record with these kinds of things, and it's their reputation you use to judge their merits. Asking for insiders to post evidence about or from their sources is a silly notion that simply wouldn't ever happen.
And yea, I'll vouch for Thuway. No insider is going to be correct all the time since even developers only know so much, but he's been right the majority of the time. I have actually been privy to some of his insider stuff and it's legit.
I think (or hope!) Karma was looking for posts from Thuway that were a) posted before info had been leaked elsewhere and b) turned out to be true / were subsequently confirmed.
This probably won't mean much coming from me, but people did think I was crazy when I also mentioned Microsoft wanting to launch in 2012 years ago. What he says isn't off base. Just that things clearly did not turn out that way. Yes, I know thuway wasn't a reliable source of anything in the past (in regards to that poster saying he trolled 360 and talked up Uncharted). Hell I argued with him many times in the past about how the PS4 was going to be 1.8tf and he said stuff like "fuck that, 3+TF or bust" and laughed the 1.2tf figure of the Xbox... but he has recently gained some... friends. That I can corroborate based on what little I know. What he's saying right now is not some made up bullshit. The plans, long ago, involved 2012. The plans changed.
slider said:
Spot on.
Giant Panda
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That Is What I Remember. BruceLeeRoy, CBOAT, gopher, and Idea Man have all been reliable as far as I know.
Yeah, from what has been posted here that doesn't seem to be the case at all.
jeff_rigby
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Gesh, some context. The key here is the FCC 2010 mandate for RVU to be offered by cable companies Dec 2012 till TiVo sued the FCC and now it's been put back to June 2014. The 4/2010 document mentions getting a Xbox 361 on the market by Dec 2012 to support XTV. So you are likely correct that by 4/2010 Microsoft had given up plans to launch in 2012 but at one point it's likely they planned for 2012.
Some time before June 2011 everything changed and ARM has a greater role to play in EVERYONES consoles both refresh and next generation. Sweetvar26 mentioned the designs changed from Steamroller to Jaguar which launches in 2013. Problems with Steamroller and 28nm.
EPA Energy Star decisions in 2011 may have impacted the designs of both. It also is impacting computer designs so AMD's plans could have changed Microsoft's plans. Don't know which is true.
There is enough in the above to justify Sony and Microsoft having issues.
I'm starving for information, same as everyone else, and I absolutely enjoy the ride that has been the leaks and reveals. However, I wonder if, at some point, companies like MS, Sony, Apple, etc. are ever going to reevaluate their process for maintaining secrecy. NDAs clearly aren't working, or don't have the teeth they're supposed to.
Microsoft in particular seems to have a greater proportion of leaks than any other game company (from my admittedly limited observation). It's as if the "partners" they work with have very little respect for them, in contrast to a Sony for example; and that's not meant to open up any well-worn arguments of which company is better, or more game oriented, or 'artistic', or whatever, as I don't doubt there are folks at both companies who do care about games. MS, it seems, appears to have legacy issues which translate into loser lips for their products.
Perhaps what these companies might consider doing, is doing away with the idea of "product surprise", and instead, let the public in on the process from day one. They can even do it reality TV style if they wanted to; imagine if we were able to follow the Durango development process from day one, with all the ups and downs, via blog or tv. Yes, I know we'll get the inevitable book about all of this from whats-his-name.
As for Thuway being credible; I assume he is, and he's had plenty of secondary confirmation. But I can't help (wrongly, I know) but wonder how he's getting his info; I keep picturing him playing "doctor" with one of his sources (male, of course), who he has incriminating iphone pictures of, and he oh-so-coyly and subtly threatens to publish them.
It may even be Don himself
Microsoft in particular seems to have a greater proportion of leaks than any other game company (from my admittedly limited observation). It's as if the "partners" they work with have very little respect for them, in contrast to a Sony for example; and that's not meant to open up any well-worn arguments of which company is better, or more game oriented, or 'artistic', or whatever, as I don't doubt there are folks at both companies who do care about games. MS, it seems, appears to have legacy issues which translate into loser lips for their products.
Perhaps what these companies might consider doing, is doing away with the idea of "product surprise", and instead, let the public in on the process from day one. They can even do it reality TV style if they wanted to; imagine if we were able to follow the Durango development process from day one, with all the ups and downs, via blog or tv. Yes, I know we'll get the inevitable book about all of this from whats-his-name.
As for Thuway being credible; I assume he is, and he's had plenty of secondary confirmation. But I can't help (wrongly, I know) but wonder how he's getting his info; I keep picturing him playing "doctor" with one of his sources (male, of course), who he has incriminating iphone pictures of, and he oh-so-coyly and subtly threatens to publish them.
It may even be Don himself
No-one will ever do that with their tech just because it'd be a endless stream of bad press as people constantly bemoan what they're doing wrong. Their competitors also get to watch and take notes and improvements. It'd be awesome, but we are all too back-biting to deserve it, I'm afraid.
I think we're very much in the era of deliberate misinformation for console things though. Spin some things to make them seem better, some things to make them seem worse... I do wonder if one company would ever "leak" fabricated things about their competitor. That'd be superb.
Ghost Recon AW, Oblivion, PGR3, Dead or Alive 4, Call of Duty 2, Dead Rising, Fear, Hitman Blood Money, Battlefield 2, Burnout Revenge, Condemned Origins, Lost Planet, Prey, Saints Row, LotR: Battle for Middle Earth and Rainbow Six Vegas seem like a reasonable release schedule leading into Gears of War, Halo 3, Viva Pinata and many others that started off the "boom" of games after the launch year.
Plus weird, unpolished side-stuff like Ninety Nine Nights, Kameo, Chromehounds, Culdecept Saga, Earth Defense Force, Phantasy Star Universe, Project Sylpheed, Rockstar Table Tennis and Test Drive Unlimited, among others, that appealed depending on your taste.
Yes, I looked at a list.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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So many great games there.
Anyway, the 360 2006 line-up wasn't a wasteland, but Microsoft's first party line-up was - absolutely nothing until Ninety-Nine Nights, and that was in August.
Unregistered007
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6 month behind? This sounds similar to the rush job that the 360 was.
I think its safe to wait out at launch for the next xbox for hardware related issues.
I think its safe to wait out at launch for the next xbox for hardware related issues.
AoE am cry = (
LQX
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Kameo was not unpolished. It was one of the best 360 offerings.
Risk Breaker
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I think a planned launch for 2012 (decided in 2011 I guess) with 1.2 TF is not that unbelievable. It would have certainly seemed right for them to undercut PS4 by a year, I think.
I don't think it's a good idea to be calling people out as viral marketers without evidence. Just not liking their posts probably isn't enough.
It really doesn't. This isn't the 90s and 'specs' don't sell anymore.
Risk Breaker
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Smiles and Cries
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man to think of the money I am missing out of spending all my days and nights on GAF $_$
This is terribly disappointing to hear. I might be a PS owner by the end of this year then.
Interesting. So you are saying pretty confidently that it wasn't due to issues that they are releasing this year?
digoutyoursoul
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It's what I suspected for a while, I'm trying to get excited for this reveal but stern caution overshadows. Would be nice to be pleasantly surprised on the 21st though
I hear ya. It is when suits start oppressing the creatives that shit takes a downturn.