BlazingDarkness
Member
thuway appears to be a good aggregator of industry rumours, and obviously takes time to do his research and poke his nose
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Kotaku Rumor: Microsoft 6 months behind in game production for X720 [Pastebin = Ban]
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thuway appears to be a good aggregator of industry rumours, and obviously takes time to do his research and poke his nose
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Please stop arguing with each other and getting snipe-y. I don't care who started it. I don't care who got the last word. Drop it.
If you happen to post after this reminder, please take heed and edit out your post.
If you happen to post after this reminder, please take heed and edit out your post.
I see that you are a person of immeasurable taste.
I just prefer the best 16-bit console is all!
Genesis does.
Also, I wish that whole Microsoft/Sega combo would have happened. I think re-branding the Xbox in Japan as a SEGA product could have proved interesting. I don't think as many people would have cared that Microsoft was involved as others have suggested. It would have been at least interesting to see.
jeff_rigby
Banned
I can confirm this and that you were trying to confirm a source while trying to protect the source. Vegetable buss = Onion buss <grin>. From that point you did a 180 and have been I think more accurate.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Here's the thing, even when Microsoft had established first/second party studios those games weren't what I would consider to be great. People tend to forget that we got games like Kakuto Chojin, Blinx, Brute Force, etc.
In 2007 they disbanded FASA.
They disbanded Carbonated Games in 2008.
In 2009, they closed both Ensemble Studios and Aces Studios.
In 2012 they downsized the Vancouver studio and renamed it Black Tusk.
In between all of this they let Bizarre Creations slip away and Bungie is no longer with them as an exclusive studio. So they've had a terrible history with studios and troubled development.
Last generation, Sony doubled down on in his development. Buying Sucker Punch and Media Molecule and expanding studios like Naughty Dog seemed incredibly forward thinking.
In 2007 they disbanded FASA.
They disbanded Carbonated Games in 2008.
In 2009, they closed both Ensemble Studios and Aces Studios.
In 2012 they downsized the Vancouver studio and renamed it Black Tusk.
In between all of this they let Bizarre Creations slip away and Bungie is no longer with them as an exclusive studio. So they've had a terrible history with studios and troubled development.
Last generation, Sony doubled down on in his development. Buying Sucker Punch and Media Molecule and expanding studios like Naughty Dog seemed incredibly forward thinking.
Yes because Microsoft only closed studios and Sony only opened them.
rudieboy77
Member
yawn rumors yawn
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Oh man that was fun times. Even after the rumors though it seemed so far fetched and slighty like a fan boy wish list we both concluded it couldn't be true.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Sony did not lose Insomniac. Insomniac said they have a great relationship with Sony and I believe that they said they'd even like to do another Ratchet game for them. I didn't say that Sony didn't close studios. Because they did. But they've been much more progressive in terms of developing relationships with companies and expanding their talent.
Sony cut off Zipper (probably for the best), Studio Liverpool, SuperBot, and LightBox. Not to mention they sent Resistance 3 (quite possibly the best FPS this generation), Mod Nation Racers, Sports Champions, Little Big Planet Karting, and Ratchet and Clank out to the wild with ZERO marketing. The most recent victim? THE AMAZING SLY COOPER BY ZINDAGI GAMES :'(.
Microsoft probably buys a lot of stuff, they have the money
Bungie is still bringing out Destiny on the 360 and presumably Nextbox. It's the same thing. Just because there's still a good relationship, and possibility of future exclusives doesn't mean that they didn't lose them. Fuse is coming out on the 360.
Nope. I've enjoyed their past two consoles, so I'm expecting to enjoy the next one. That could all change, and I still think I'll get a PS4, but I have faith in Microsoft delivering a stellar product as well this holiday.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Sony can afford to cut studios and downsize because of their heritage. They doubled down on their money studios. Microsoft, on the other hand, cannot afford to do a similar thing because they didn't have much to lose to begin with.
Sony never owned Insomniac so I don't see how they could lose them. I bet we'll see them as tight as ever next gen, including collaborating on a new IP and Ratchet.
Wait, what? Isn't Microsoft doing the EXACT same thing? Microsoft is still giving people like 343 and Turn10 room to spread out, and studios like Bizarre were cut because they didn't do well enough for MS's standards, at least that's what I'm guessing.
And that also doesn't address what he said about the marketing.
Fair enough, but Sony lost whatever deal they had to make exclusive games for them. Maybe the newer Ratchets weren't up to their liking, maybe they didn't like FUSE/Overstirke, or maybe Insomniac wanted a larger demo.
R3 and LBK both had commercials.
Also the Ratchet and Clank game sod well anyway so that never as a problem, according to IG.
ChimpanzeeThat
Member
I am late to the party, but would making the new COD: Ghosts title a Next Xbox exclusive be too audacious an idea?
If Microsoft are behind in production on first party titles, something like this would help them sell consoles.
If Microsoft are behind in production on first party titles, something like this would help them sell consoles.
Next-gen exclusive maybe, but no way it doesn't land on 360/PS3 as well.
Well, LBK deserved more than it got, because from the Beta it was a pretty damn fun game. I didn't see any advertising over here in the U.S.
Officerrob
Banned
Microsoft can afford to moneyhat though, as much as some people here don't like it
iceatcs
Junior Member
Maybe but COD isn't cheap. It is more likely we will see some new IP exclusive than existing IP.
I think you nailed it with the bolded, based on what IG peeps were saying after the EA partnership was revealed.
Id be very surprised if we didnt get a new Ratchet game to coincide with the movie. Sony owns that IP so....
I don't blame them either. I'm guessing Sony didn't want them to do FUSE, or maybe they wanted them to only do R&C, and like Bungie with Halo, they wanted to do something else. Sony and Microsoft wasn't gonna front the bills, so they split.
Definitely. But it might not be by Insomniac if Sony owns the IP entirely. Not saying that'll be the case, but it's a possibility.
Honestly, just realize it's a double standard you'll never out argue and move on.
They are not Sonys, they are AMDs, who don't bullshit their numbers like Nvidia do and did with RSX. Even Sony was miss sold last time around, which is partly why no one is with Nvidia now on the console front. Value for money and for power just isn't as good.
Thats true. I really, really want IG to do it though
Or maybe he can educate the other guy who's clearly misinformed?
ThisWreckage
Banned
When has Microsoft given 343 another team? I don't recall this. Or when have their developers been allowed to make new IPs? Naughty Dog was allowed to start off this generation by making a new IP. Then they were expanded and allowed to make another new IP. You'll never see this type of behavior out of Microsoft. It's one reason why Bungie split with them. Hell, Sony even let Insomniac make Resistance.
When I said spread out, I mean have the room/ability to hire additional talent.
Your posts towards Thuway are hilarious. I get the feeling deep down you just don't want to believe him to be an insider since not all his information meets your own preferences or expectations.
I've seen some of the documentation privy to Thuway, and it's legit. Sorry Thuway gotta come out with it, though I think I've mentioned it already a few times in the past. Kagari (a mod) I'm guessing has also seen some of this stuff, so can probably vouch for him on this front too. You need to stop posting about this subject and just comprehend that some GAFers on here do have their sources. I for one know a few of them are developers, but that's as much as I'll say.
ThisWreckage
Banned
They'll need it considering how the new Halo game went down. Very troubled development.
PS4>Xbox
Also, to put the whole "no new Ip's!" thing to bed:
-Alan Wake
-Gears of War
-Crackdown
-Splosion Man
-Comic Jumper
-The Maw
-Gunstringer
-Shadow Complex
-Castle Crashers
-Geometry Wars
-Kameo
-Viva Pinata
Not to mention a few games like Forza Horizon or Halo Wars that used franchise names in radically different ways.
Seems to have sold well enough despite that, so don't worry about them, they'll be alright.
-Alan Wake
-Gears of War
-Crackdown
-Splosion Man
-Comic Jumper
-The Maw
-Gunstringer
-Shadow Complex
-Castle Crashers
-Geometry Wars
-Kameo
-Viva Pinata
Not to mention a few games like Forza Horizon or Halo Wars that used franchise names in radically different ways.
Seems to have sold well enough despite that, so don't worry about them, they'll be alright.
Sure. Huge news about possible Respawn Entertainment's new FPS being Xbox 720 exclusive is dwarfed by the few lines at the bottom saying that MS is 6 months behind in software. Etc.
specialguy
Banned
Degenerated into the usual bickering now. As we all wait for May 21.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
Do you mean Sly 4:Thieves in Time by Sanzaru games?, i thought it did ok?
ThisWreckage
Banned
I'm not going to get into a list warz. Let's just say that it would dwarf that list.
Then people would bitch that the Halo brand is being "milked to death!!!" I do agree that they should have spread that series out more though. Halo Wars was an interesting game, and there could have been a lot of cool projects within that universe.
What would? Sony's list? Who fucking cares? You were saying that they had no new IP's. Why does it matter if Sony has more? Does that somehow mean that Microsoft's are forfeit then?
Melchiah
Member
And how many of those were developed by Microsoft's 1st party studios?
You forgot Condemned, Dead Rising and Trials by the way.
the list of titles that he missed would dwarf that list
ThisWreckage
Banned
The Halo brand IS being milked to death.
3/4th of them were.
Okay, you have to explain your reasoing when you say things like that.
EDIT: Also yes, I missed a shit load. I'm just saying that when people say Microsoft didn't have any new IP's, they're misinformed or lying.
you are correct, on an unrelated note. I am very excited to hear about the next god of war
I've always felt its not milked unless the quality goes down.
I could have had some of this on my Xbox.
http://www.ign.com/games/peter-jacksons-halo-chronicles/xbox-360-857596
And would have been down for this too:
Bet it would have felt more alien than Halo 4 ever did. Just being honest.
ThisWreckage
Banned
Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo ODST, Halo Reach, Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary Edition, and Halo 4 all in one generation. That's a ton of fucking Halo for one generation.