TheSHEEEP
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Kotaku: The Console Wars Are Over And Nobody Really Won
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RetroGamingUK
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DeltaPolarBear
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No, Xbox just spent too much and they had incompetent decision makers. Do not confuse Xbox's massive spending as what was necessary, if anything the spending is what killed them.
Activision had now assumed direct control and made Xbox into its image. A third Party Developer, a role Activision invented 45 years ago when they convinced Atari to profit-share.
Sony has PlayStation support itself and fund the rest of the company. But Sony is no god. There will be other challengers and they will be better than Xbox. Having infinite money ended up not being able to compensate for a lack of talent, who knew?
Ceadeus
Gold Member
Yeah I bet that's how you spend your day
You are not upsetting me trust me, it's just so out of the discussion. How excluded you guys got to be to feel the need to enter a thread who doesn't talk about Personal Computer at all, and then out of nowhere cringe the whole discussion with the master race cheesyness?
DirtyBast8rd
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People don't game on pc to play console games. It's just a bonus.
DryvBy
Gold Member
How do you console war a PC?
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
There is a reason why Sony stocks are breaking records, yeah
PS5 won the war, MS tried with all its almost infinite money to take it down and remove it from the market and in the end it has unfortunately ended up needing and depending on its games being sold on Playstation to save the Xbox business.
PCMR is getting Sony exclusives now, so who's really winning? Yeah, Xbox as a brand is done, but Sony waved the white flag to PCMR and let them have their exclusives, which in some time, will make people realize that they don't really need a PlayStation system to play those games...
RetroGamingUK
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Remember when PC had big exclusives before the PS360 generation? Why bother with PC after that?
SkylineRKR
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Nintendo bailed out straight after the GC, targeting a different demographic altogether and not entering the spec race. With the Wii U they sort of followed, which is a thing Nintendo shouldn't do. Wii U followed tablets in a half assed way and they got quite a bit of PS360 games. But you can say it was sort of a precursor to the Switch, the Wii U was one step away from being a handheld/home console hybrid. The Switch was, they found a way to merge these 2 markets.
MS lost because they didn't branch out but rather copied Sony. They did popularize online gaming on consoles and brought more PC IP over, but Sony was simply the de facto brand when it came to consoles. With exclusivity becoming more rare over time as costs rise, the de facto brand wins. Also, Xbox failed to build an empire. They mainly capitalized on timed deals like the GTA DLC, CoD promotion and celebrated games like DMC and FF as wins. Meanwhile they didn't build their own IP like Sony did. MS took Halo from Bungie and gave it to an incompetent studio, they took GoW from Epic and gave it to studios that do a worse job too. And Turn 10 is fucking up Forza Motorsport themselves for whatever reasons.
In the end, with third party exclusivity fading into obcurity, MS basically doesn't have enough firepower to differentiate itself from Sony. The Series X is a lot like the PS5, just with worse games overall.
MS lost because they didn't branch out but rather copied Sony. They did popularize online gaming on consoles and brought more PC IP over, but Sony was simply the de facto brand when it came to consoles. With exclusivity becoming more rare over time as costs rise, the de facto brand wins. Also, Xbox failed to build an empire. They mainly capitalized on timed deals like the GTA DLC, CoD promotion and celebrated games like DMC and FF as wins. Meanwhile they didn't build their own IP like Sony did. MS took Halo from Bungie and gave it to an incompetent studio, they took GoW from Epic and gave it to studios that do a worse job too. And Turn 10 is fucking up Forza Motorsport themselves for whatever reasons.
In the end, with third party exclusivity fading into obcurity, MS basically doesn't have enough firepower to differentiate itself from Sony. The Series X is a lot like the PS5, just with worse games overall.
Mister Wolf
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Sony is now going to run the numbers up like Nvidia does.
Skifi28
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Surprisingly, certain PC users on GAF are the biggest console warriors I've seen in years. It's not about what hardware you own, but your mental age.
RetroGamingUK
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I’d love a Nintendo home console that played Switch and Switch 2 games with improved performance.
RetroGamingUK
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Reggie Fils-Aime Has High Praise for Astro Bot
Former Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime has praise for Sony's Astro Bot, which won the Game of the Year Award in 2024.
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grvg
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Speaking as a PC player, it looks like Sony is gonna be the console Nvidia, except they are only as competent as AMDs GPU division.
IMHO consoles have been worthless since the end of the ps3/360 gen, because you're essentially just locking yourself into a walled garden ecosystem. Switch doesn't count because they actually have more notable exclusives than I can count on one hand after an unfortunate woodchipper incident. Just IMHO, I know lots of y'all love your consoles.
Microsoft had an okay idea, because they kind of saw the writing on the wall. They wanted a cross platform ecosystem, but sadly everything they touch kind of turns to shit. Unfortunately for them, the subscription model doesn't seem to be a long term viable solution.
Nintendo won by not competing in the self immolation contest that Sony and Microsoft were vying for the leadership of.
And valve is over in the corner counting money and not making half life 3
IMHO consoles have been worthless since the end of the ps3/360 gen, because you're essentially just locking yourself into a walled garden ecosystem. Switch doesn't count because they actually have more notable exclusives than I can count on one hand after an unfortunate woodchipper incident. Just IMHO, I know lots of y'all love your consoles.
Microsoft had an okay idea, because they kind of saw the writing on the wall. They wanted a cross platform ecosystem, but sadly everything they touch kind of turns to shit. Unfortunately for them, the subscription model doesn't seem to be a long term viable solution.
Nintendo won by not competing in the self immolation contest that Sony and Microsoft were vying for the leadership of.
And valve is over in the corner counting money and not making half life 3
Kacho
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Rhazer Fusion
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The ABK acquisition was the final nail in the coffin and it completely destroyed Xbox. I knew it was a terrible idea from the beginning and they are unfortunately paying the price for it. Multiplatform, less exclusives, even less console sales, layoffs, even more tarnished of a tarnished image, etc.
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TheGodfather07
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Funny how exclusives became a bad thing over the last year. Multiplatform is the future. Sony will do it too! I think we know where this narrative is coming from.
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RoboFu
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Reggie Fils-Aime Has High Praise for Astro Bot
Former Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime has praise for Sony's Astro Bot, which won the Game of the Year Award in 2024.
What does the Pizza Hut guy have to do with anything ?
Badlucktroll
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so if xbox is out
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Cakeboxer
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Question was "who really won?" and the console war brought the Pc Xbox games day1, Pc Game Pass, Playstation games and new users.
PlayStation won
Nintendo is profitable, SIE prints money out of thin air.
If a business has low margins (let's say 5% NOPAT), but generates a ridiculously high amount of revenue per yen of invested capital (let's just say ¥5:1 ), then you're actually looking at a 25% ROIC
Nintendo is a pure play, a company that focus solely on a single product, and much bigger by assets than SIE, Sony Music or Pictures.
And yet, SIE revenue is 3x Nintendo's, which means that the industry depends on PlayStation.
SIE dominance has several advantages:
- Their profits are more predictable (Reuters: Nintendo heads for third consecutive annual loss)
-They can reduce margins, overcome a pandemic, and force Microsoft to bend the knee after investing $80B in order to spend SIE out of business
-Their profits can bounce back almost overnight
- SIE doesn't need to build a war chest:
a) Sony Group can reinvest PlayStation profits in Music, Pictures ...
b) or announce an expansion of its share repurchase program and increase share price
(The Japan Times: Sony’s record climb makes investors more bullish on gaming boom)
BlackTron
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Thats just your feelings talking, use your brain next time .
Its OK, after Xbox death you can always go to PC, or explore your manchild self with a Nintendo console ... Or join the winning side in Playstation
With nothing but the adult feature of patience, I'm totally absolved from needing a big wavy oreo thing in my living room.
PS fans need not be pointing fingers over maturity. It's still a game. Depending on how you plan to use them Switch could be a less man-childish purchase.
DryvBy
Gold Member
I've been calling this out too. I'm anti-console war (I didn't even know this was a thing growing up in the 90s) and as a PC gamer primarily as a kid, it's disgusting how these new fans are. PCMR is the worst thing to happen on PC, more than intrusive DRM.
ManaByte
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Because of trophies? There's more to XBL than just trophies. PSN still lacks most of the social features XBL has had for more than a decade. No clubs, no looking for group feature, no achievement leaderboards, etc. Not to mention having to pay for PSN for cloud saves.
Unknown?
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Whatever helps you sleep. The others have the same problems.
RetroGamingUK
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Yeah because that’s what gamers really care about
ManaByte
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XBL is for multiplayer games, in case you weren't aware, and things like clubs and LFG are VERY useful to find players for MP.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
RetroGamingUK
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that's why I say PC has won. PC is the domain domain of console AND PC games.
Where are the big PC exclusives like you had in the 90s and early 00s?
RetroGamingUK
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Another idiot Xbot neckbeard.
The door for Microsoft to publish games on PlayStation has been open since 1994.
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Humdinger
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The console wars are over, but console warriors, green and blue, will continue to fight the good fight. No cease fire.
Once the warriors finally give it up, I wonder where that energy will go. Warriors must warrior, after all. Will the war become PS vs. Nintendo? Console vs. PC? Who knows. Whatever happens, we know it will be silly.
Once the warriors finally give it up, I wonder where that energy will go. Warriors must warrior, after all. Will the war become PS vs. Nintendo? Console vs. PC? Who knows. Whatever happens, we know it will be silly.
apple_of_enlightenment
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They're all still in the fight with viable different business models.
So Kotaku, again, has not won.
So Kotaku, again, has not won.
LordCBH
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I’m glad the live service push has mostly blown up in their faces. Should’ve just been prioritizing what they’re good at. Hopefully now they’ll get back to that.
Schmendrick
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PC doesn`t have a platform holder who would be interested in producing exclusives...the whole idea of "exclusives" makes absolutely no sense as you`re not dealing with a walled garden. The only exclusives that make sense on PC are those who don`t work well with controllers, MOBAs like League of Legends for example.
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