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[Cyan]

I swear we had this same thread months ago and it was pretty solidly debunked.

 

[kswiston]

LOL yeah, lame characters all around.

Fantastic Four is built around a great set of characters. The problem is the fact that they have only had 2 great runs, and a couple of decent runs over the past 20 years. You can skip reading the FF for years between the good runs and not miss much.

 

[Neoxon]

how does Marvel get its rights back from Fox does a contract run out sometime ?

If they don't make a movie in 7 or so years.

 

[Father_Brain]

Nope not sales, can't be that.

.

But it's not the reason for the cancellation. Shit sales are. Any modicum of common sense applied to the tabloid you're reading bears this out.

You're often responsible for the entertainment equivalent of shouting "BREAKING NEWS" and then reading everybody a Daily Currant headline.

33K would normally be well above Marvel's cancellation threshold, which is closer to 20K.

 

[slightconfuse]

Considering how bad it's been post hickman it's no suprise. This whole movie thing is dumb as marvel canceling the x-men

 

[Gordon Shumway]

I swear we had this same thread months ago and it was pretty solidly debunked.

Now that you mention it, it fits sound a bit familiar..

-Edit-

Right here..

 

[kswiston]

33K would normally be well above Marvel's cancellation threshold, which is closer to 20K.

If they stick to shipping once a month, the last FF issue will be shipped in May 2015. "Time runs out" in Hickman's Avengers in May 2015, with both of those books being presumably cancelled as well. Coincidence?

 

[DonasaurusRex]

They didn't want to disappoint the 7 people that would go see the movie and pick the comic only to wonder why they couldn't do shit like that on the big screen.

basically, Hickmans run on FF4 and FF was godlike . FF has stayed good, Fraction fucked up fantastic four though so it also helps that the chars are doing well in other books like avengers and FF is so different than the FF4 book. Kill it till a writer/artist team has something good to say like waid, hickman, Lee/kirby, and claremont, simonson.

 

[ghstwrld]

but comic book readers make up less than 1% of the box office audience of superhero movies, right?

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

This seems really petty and childish of marvel

Maybe. But maybe not. They need to kill the series to get it back.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I swear we had this same thread months ago and it was pretty solidly debunked.

We did. It was

 

[Slayven]

basically, Hickmans run on FF4 and FF was godlike . FF has stayed good, Fraction fucked up fantastic four though so it also helps that the chars are doing well in other books like avengers and FF is so different than the FF4 book. Kill it till a writer/artist team has something good to say like waid, hickman, Lee/kirby, and claremont, simonson.

Can't disagree with someone that has a Bandit avatar.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

(and they respected the marriage between Sue and Richard)

Good ol' Richard Richards

I dunno man. I like the FF, but I never bought into them specifically. I loved the whole evil Reed thing from Ultimate, and I probably would love a lot of 616 FF, but I just don't know where to start and what to read, there's no major storyline that I'd know and would be all like "yo you heard of that, go read it!" like Infinity Gauntlet, Siege, Civil War, Countdown and so on.

So yeah, I'd be sad about it but I couldn't lay my finger on a "why". What are some good FF arcs?

 

[DonasaurusRex]

but comic book readers make up less than 1% of the box office audience of superhero movies, right?

all time? hahahahahaaaa nah they ultimately make up legions of the fans, finally glad to see their fav property come to life....however they haven't seen that in FF4's case just yet. a shame really , its the book that basically created most of what we call " the marvel U" negative zone, cosmic marvel, kree, skrull, inhumans, doom, many many more characters and places. A gold mine of a property even with recent runs Hickman just did an amazing job with his time on FF4.

 

[Future Foundation]

The title just hit me:

"THE END IS FOUREVER".

For fuck's sake.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

At first, I only saw the part of the title that said "to cancel Fantastic Four", so I got all happy.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

The title just hit me:

"THE END IS FOUREVER".

For fuck's sake.

What..too deep fer ya?

 

[Slayven]

The title just hit me:

"THE END IS FOUREVER".

For fuck's sake.

What..too deep fer ya?

Things will never be the same again!!!!

It's the shocking conclusion you have been smashing for!!!

 

[TheKaeptain]

More proof Spidey is the greatest. Marvel will never even think of cancelling him.

 

[MHWilliams]

Which is stupid because in the case of X-men the movies are bigger than the comics.
FOX is actually opening new people up to X-men and Marvel is so butthurt they are turning that new business away.

I hope they leave the X-Men books alone

The X-Men comics are fine. Fantastic Four is back to its old sales, without the critical boost Hickman's run enjoyed. Seriously, the drop from issue 1 to 2 was painful.

It's kind of circular, catch 22 logic, though.

They have no reason to market it, because it isn't very profitable, and they don't have the film rights.

They don't have the film rights, so they don't bother to market it, and thus it isn't very profitable.

Ultimately, those comics would be selling much better if Marvel had the rights to make Fantastic Four films.

It's also not a very good comic following Hickman's run.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

More proof Spidey is the greatest. Marvel will never even think of cancelling him.

that's becasue Sony sold them back merchandise rights so they have an interest in Spidey remaining a popular character despite not having his movie rights.

 

[Slayven]

More proof Spidey is the greatest. Marvel will never even think of cancelling him.

It's been proven time and time again, that if you have a soul, you like if not love Spiderman.

 

[Onaco]

They might as well place a "Do not watch movies made by FOX" warning across each page in red text.

 

[IrishNinja]

didn't we have a thread on this conjecture earlier? maybe low sales means no book for a while, rather than 'fuck FOX"?

I swear we had this same thread months ago and it was pretty solidly debunked.

there we go

they would have gone bankrupt had they not sold the rights, so they would have never been in the position to make those films in the first place.

yeah, every time i wanna see x-men or spidey in an Avengers thing i'm reminded of this harsh truth

 

[kswiston]

Good ol' Richard Richards

I dunno man. I like the FF, but I never bought into them specifically. I loved the whole evil Reed thing from Ultimate, and I probably would love a lot of 616 FF, but I just don't know where to start and what to read, there's no major storyline that I'd know and would be all like "yo you heard of that, go read it!" like Infinity Gauntlet, Siege, Civil War, Countdown and so on.

Hickman's Fantastic Four run is that major storyline you are talking about. It covers pretty much every aspect of the Fantastic Four universe, and is one of the best Marvel story lines in recent years.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

They might as well place a "Do not watch movies made by FOX" warning across each page in red text.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Things will never be the same again!!!!

It's the shocking conclusion you have been smashing for!!!

lol..

 

[TheKaeptain]

that's becasue Sony sold them back merchandise rights so they have an interest in Spidey remaining a popular character despite not having his movie rights.

They still wouldn't get rid of him. He moves a lot of comics.

 

[Dan]

Marvel's heavily rumored to be doing a reboot of some kind next summer. This probably ties in with that rather than the film rights.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

They might as well place a "Do not watch movies made by FOX" warning across each page in red text.

...after next years FF4....let us not forget what happened post Rise of the Silver Surfer and X3/Wolverine Origins some backlash there too. Hard to get much lower than those films...unless of course we start counting DC's trainwrecks holy shit, Jonah Hex/All Star Western, Catwoman, GL, Superman Returns....ugh the indigestion.

Cant be thankful enough for MoS and Batman trilogy.

 

[ghostmind]

I'm more concerned about the long-term plans for the X-Men.

Plotlines are building to a head, leading many to expect a reboot of the Marvel Universe next Spring.

What if the rebooted universe had only inhumans in place of mutants?

 

[Sacul64GC]

It's kind of circular, catch 22 logic, though.

They have no reason to market it, because it isn't very profitable, and they don't have the film rights.

They don't have the film rights, so they don't bother to market it, and thus it isn't very profitable.

Ultimately, those comics would be selling much better if Marvel had the rights to make Fantastic Four films.

My dad still reads it and a few months ago he was saying it looked like they were sabotaging FF with how the stories were going by doing some stupid stuff. That could have also contributed to poor sales if the story was not up to snuf.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Man, that book IS Marvel. It's their history, their origin, it's their spine. Cancelling The World's Greatest Comics Magazine while Stan Lee is still with us is just unbelievably tacky.

That they're sending it off with a James Robinson story is even worse.

 

[kswiston]

I'm more concerned about the long-term plans for the X-Men.

Plotlines are building to a head, leading many to expect a reboot of the Marvel Universe next Spring.

What if the rebooted universe had only inhumans in place of mutants?

Wolverine, Deadpool, and a few other X-Characters are too profitable. They are not going to completely tank their comics line over a beef with Fox.

 

[JBourne]

Nope not sales, can't be that.

Rocket Raccoon deserves that top spot.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

My dad still reads it and a few months ago he was saying it looked like they were sabotaging FF with how the stories were going by doing some stupid stuff. That could have also contributed to poor sales if the story was not up to snuf.

If your dad was reading hickmans run then yes, the drop off was massive when Fraction took over and they just soft launched again but i havent seen much of that , FF has stayed pretty good though .

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Wolverine, Deadpool, and a few other X-Characters are too profitable. They are not going to completely tank their comics line over a beef with Fox.

Yeah they will just gender swap them, I bet X-23 will be the new wolverine now that he's dead.

 

[Slayven]

Yeah they will just gender swap them, I bet X-23 will be the new wolverine now that he's dead.

I thought a freshly resurrected Daken was going to take over for him?

 

[ghostmind]

Wolverine, Deadpool, and a few other X-Characters are too profitable. They are not going to completely tank their comics line over a beef with Fox.

Wolverine is about to be dead.

Deadpool is rumored to be dead in March.

*Something* big is happening in May.

I will put nothing past Marvel and brand politics at this point.

 

[kswiston]

Wolverine is about to be dead.

Deadpool is rumored to be dead in March.

*Something* big is happening in May.

I will put nothing past Marvel and brand politics at this point.

The "something big" is going to result in all of those characters being alive again.

 

[Slayven]

Wolverine is about to be dead.

Deadpool is rumored to be dead in March.

*Something* big is happening in May.

I will put nothing past Marvel and brand politics at this point.

that's not brand politics, that is comics.

 

[jelly]

I swear we had this same thread months ago and it was pretty solidly debunked.

Yeah, had a definite moment of deja vu.

Not sure I would want Marvel to get this and others. Been said before but most of their films are rather cookie cutter and cheap. Wouldn't mind them having their shot as X-Men is the only passable ones of the blockbuster bunch they don't have rights to.

 

[mreddie]

Marvel's heavily rumored to be doing a reboot of some kind next summer. This probably ties in with that rather than the film rights.

Basically, Inhumans will rule while Mutants will be minimal and F4 will be retgone.

 

[Zombine]

Marvel is most certainly going to get Fantastic Four back sooner than later. You better believe that if the new film does horribly I expect Fox to give up the rights shortly after.

 

[TheSeks]

Suddenly, tens of people cried out in anger.

Basically. Fantastic Four has always been one of Marvels weakest IP's. It's honestly blown my mind how it's gone on as long as it has. Fox owning the movie IP or not.

Though, it is hilarious they're canceling it as a "Fuck You" to Fox AND doing it because one of the shareholders is butthurt about Fox.

 

[Slayven]

Basically, Inhumans will rule while Mutants will be minimal and F4 will be retgone.

Mutants been minimal for the last 10 years

 

[kswiston]

Yeah, had a definite moment of deja vu.

The actual news here is that a solicitation for a trade paperback releasing in June actually confirms the end of the current Fantastic Four series. Before it was just rumoured.

Basically, Inhumans will rule while Mutants will be minimal and F4 will be retgone.

The Inhumans plotline seems to be going nowhere. Infinity ended a year ago, and the awakening of all those inhumans has meant jack shit for the larger Marvel U.

 

[_Ryo_]

Haven't been keeping up. Did Marvel really kill wolverine, as in he's never showing up or being revived in their main universe ever again? They're doing the same to the FF too? Woah.

They're really kirkman-ing it up, aren't they?

 

[jelly]

The actual news here is that a solicitation for a trade paperback releasing in June actually confirms the end of the current Fantastic Four series. Before it was just rumoured.

Right, fair enough.

 

[Parallax]

Haven't been keeping up. Did Marvel really kill wolverine, as in he's never showing up or being revived in their main universe ever again? They're doing the same to the FF too? Woah.

They're really kirkman-ing it up, aren't they?

no