I'm torn on a Super Metroid remake. Sure, the control improvements from Zero Mission/Fusion would be great, but the game is damn near perfect as is.
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I'm torn on a Super Metroid remake. Sure, the control improvements from Zero Mission/Fusion would be great, but the game is damn near perfect as is.
Magicpaint
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Yeah it bothered me that I couldn't make the finer details of the music. Both streams!
While we're on the subject of the post-game additions, ala Zero Mission, I'd like to see at least some reference to the X Parasite.
For those who never played Fusion, SR388 was home to the X Parasite, which can mimic their prey. In Fusion, and the tie-in manga to Zero Mission, it's revealed that the Chozo biologically engineered the Metroid species as a natural predator to the X, as it was quickly becoming a problem for the entire planet's ecosystem. This drove the parasite to near extinction.
Then, due to the events of the original Metroid, Metroid 2 and Super Metroid, the Metroid species has since been eradicated, and the X Parasite are now free to multiply again. In Fusion, Samus leads a GF scout party to SR388 on a routine survey, and is attacked by the parasite. Ultimately, Samus destroys SR388 and every trace of the parasite, and becomes an enemy of the Federation (who were wanting to use the X as a weapon).
Yes, Metroid Fusion was Samus' first encounter with the X Parasite, but it'd be nice to see some sort of reference to them in this game. Your actions in Metroid 2 have significant repercussions down the line (leading to Metroid Fusion, and Samus becoming an outlaw).
Even something as simple as defeating a boss enemy, leaving the room and the camera panning back to the carcass showing it dissolving into X, would be some nice foreshadowing.
For those who never played Fusion, SR388 was home to the X Parasite, which can mimic their prey. In Fusion, and the tie-in manga to Zero Mission, it's revealed that the Chozo biologically engineered the Metroid species as a natural predator to the X, as it was quickly becoming a problem for the entire planet's ecosystem. This drove the parasite to near extinction.
Then, due to the events of the original Metroid, Metroid 2 and Super Metroid, the Metroid species has since been eradicated, and the X Parasite are now free to multiply again. In Fusion, Samus leads a GF scout party to SR388 on a routine survey, and is attacked by the parasite. Ultimately, Samus destroys SR388 and every trace of the parasite, and becomes an enemy of the Federation (who were wanting to use the X as a weapon).
Yes, Metroid Fusion was Samus' first encounter with the X Parasite, but it'd be nice to see some sort of reference to them in this game. Your actions in Metroid 2 have significant repercussions down the line (leading to Metroid Fusion, and Samus becoming an outlaw).
Even something as simple as defeating a boss enemy, leaving the room and the camera panning back to the carcass showing it dissolving into X, would be some nice foreshadowing.
TheMoon
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And it'll forever remain perfect.
Remember, remakes don't unmake the original games all of a sudden.
Banjotanooki
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I can't see them completely ignoring the X parasite but we would probably either get a post credits scene with them or a new part of the story after defeating the Queen Metroid showing the X parasite a la Zero Mission's Space Pirate ship section.
And it'll forever remain perfect.
Remember, remakes don't unmake the original games all of a sudden.
True, but at the same time, why waste the development time, energy and money to remake a game that really doesn't need it.
I'd rather Nintendo focus on making a new Metroid game instead of remaking one that really doesn't need it.
Metroid 1 and 2 needed remakes, Super Metroid really doesn't.
I could be remembering wrong, but I recall seeing a new section in one of the streams were the electric armor seemed to be mandatory. It was a room where the walls were infested with hostile algae looking things and there was no way to avoid damage without the armor.
It'd be cool if there were more new things like this so Aeion abilities aren't relegated to just be beginner friendly stuff.
It'd be cool if there were more new things like this so Aeion abilities aren't relegated to just be beginner friendly stuff.
I'd take a Super Metroid remake that reworks the jumping. It's the one thing that has made it difficult for me to get into Super Metroid in the three times I've tried. The way she loses all forward momentum when jumping. Sure, the game is designed around it, but I don't find it fun or intuitive.
TheMoon
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iron out flaws (wall jumps), possibly expand it, give it alternate twists (how about a remixed/harder/etc mode instead of redesigning the core game by itself only), spice it up. you could do a lot to add on top of this, despite it being fantastic already.
No, you're right.
I like Electro Armor a lot because it's both a beginner friendly ability and one that experienced players can get use out of (going through enemies without knockback). And it definitely looks like it won't make the game too easy.
MrCookiepants
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Super Metroid is a game too many people haven't played. That's reason enough.
I'm pretty ashamed about it, but I haven't been able to get over Super Metroid's controls whenever I've tried starting a playthrough, I'm just too used to the GBA controls and I find Super's quite uncomfortable.
I don't know if there's a certain control scheme I'd find more agreeable, I know you can remap stuff, but yeah. I'd love a remake that would no doubt tweak that stuff a little.
I've got the eShop version download on 3DS though! I'll try to get into it again. :s
I don't know if there's a certain control scheme I'd find more agreeable, I know you can remap stuff, but yeah. I'd love a remake that would no doubt tweak that stuff a little.
I've got the eShop version download on 3DS though! I'll try to get into it again. :s
If you don't mind playing on an emulator there's a romhack called control freak that changes the controls to be similar to the controls in the gba games.
ArchedThunder
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So is Amazon just not going to make the Amiibo available for preorder?
davidwhangchoi
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i need the special edition amazon
Triforce141
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Amazon puts amiibo up for order the day the figures come out, so you gotta stare at that listing and spam F5
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I agree. I also want Metroid 5 to be sprite-based. But seriously, what is there to be gained from remaking Super Metroid? It's the best game ever, you're not going to improve it.
They should get right on it as soon as this one finishes tbqh. Imagine if we could get a 2D Metroid every three years or so.
Man, I hate that they're using the Zero Suit from Other M. I fucking hate those heels. Such a trash redesign, contrary to the original functional concept of the suit.
He was one of three general directors for Other M, and as far as I can tell he was basically just the go between Sakamoto and Hayashi. I again wouldn't put the blame of Other M on him.
Because the quote conveniently left out he also co-directed Other M.(which I really like so no dig here from me)
He was one of three general directors for Other M, and as far as I can tell he was basically just the go between Sakamoto and Hayashi. I again wouldn't put the blame of Other M on him.
Neoleo2143
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I mean there are some slight tweaks to the weapon Switching that I would make. And rebalance the damage somewhat. But largely yeah, Super Metroid doesn't need much changing.
TheMoon
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TheMoon
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You don't buy sprites off a rack. That's a weird question. Cost comes from the time it takes to make a thing. A sprite has to be drawn in various incarnations to enable an animation to be made out of a single sprite. A 3D model has to be modeled, animated and the textures have to be drawn. You change a thing on a character, say the helmet on Samus has the wrong color green and you need to change it, every sprite pose showing that visor has to be recolored in that area to match. For the 3D model, you just have to fix the helmet texture (or visor texture depending on how they're split up).
wait where is zero suit? i need to see this
DecoReturns
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In the treehouse demo, when she got Gameover you saw her in the Zero Suit
When Samus dies her suit explodes off and reveals her in the Zero suit.
TheMoon
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Death animation. Watch Treehouse Day 1 when Theresa dies fighting the Zeta.
Tathanen
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I actually like the heels on the zero suit for utilitarian reasons, they slot into the pivot of the varia suit's boots better that way.
I mean....this is what I meant. I imagine games are made in 3D like this instead of 2D because it is more efficient and therefore cost-effective to make them this way. They don't look better or anything.
Simple. Reboot it
Jonneh3003
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SpacePirate Ridley
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Im really happy the metroid team with sakomoto producing is back and mercury steam is doing the grunt work.
People hate Sakamoto for other m, but even when I dont dislike Other M as many of you, the man only had a blunder on his career (and as I say, as much as people hate it I wouldnt call it that personally), and the rest of his portfolio has been amazing, the other metroids, wario ware... even tomodachi for what it is.
At least I have more confident in this team that the idea of Tanabe being a creative producer on Metroid Prime 4. That man has only been good as a producer overseing more talented people because he is not really cut for this type of work (his interviews of federation force not understanding why forcing that game were he thought his idea was great was not a good idea is head scratching). You can see every game that he has produced working with foreign teams like the prime series, punch out, luigis mansion... were he took a back seat and actually let the directors of those studios do the interviews and talk about their creative ideas are amazing. All except the one where he tried himself.
So I really hope his creative touch on prime 4 is absolutely minimal and stops forcing that stupid hunters story into the series.
People hate Sakamoto for other m, but even when I dont dislike Other M as many of you, the man only had a blunder on his career (and as I say, as much as people hate it I wouldnt call it that personally), and the rest of his portfolio has been amazing, the other metroids, wario ware... even tomodachi for what it is.
At least I have more confident in this team that the idea of Tanabe being a creative producer on Metroid Prime 4. That man has only been good as a producer overseing more talented people because he is not really cut for this type of work (his interviews of federation force not understanding why forcing that game were he thought his idea was great was not a good idea is head scratching). You can see every game that he has produced working with foreign teams like the prime series, punch out, luigis mansion... were he took a back seat and actually let the directors of those studios do the interviews and talk about their creative ideas are amazing. All except the one where he tried himself.
So I really hope his creative touch on prime 4 is absolutely minimal and stops forcing that stupid hunters story into the series.
Dark Cloud
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I'm just so excited Metroid is back and you hear very good things about this game. It showed so good at the Treehouse. I'm ready day 1 for this and I hope Nintendo fans buy it.
TheMoon
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Well but they look flashier. I love pixel art like crazy. Especially of the 16bit+ variety. But remember they're doing these camera pans that you can't do with straight 2D art and the depth effect that you can do somewhat with layers but you'll have a tough time making things look like objects that way if that's what you're going for. It sucks that NOE didn't put out the 3D trailer like NOA because I have to imagine what it really does look like here but I can see why you'd do this.
Another way you could deal with this is by using hand-drawn art that looks like 2D in a 3D engine. Like what the Guilty Gear people did (are they making that new DBZ fighter?). That could also maybe look really cool with Metroid designs.
TheMoon
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soundtrack and reversible cover. as you can see in the picture.
Hmmm...that could be cool (the GG approach). Metroid's great art has always been a draw and this just doesn't pull me like that.
But at this point it is not so much a concern as a hope that a hypothetical Metroid 5 pleases me more to look at it. And a dream of a moody, anime Metroid look. It isn't going to get in the way of enjoying this game for me.
I guess I always do undervalue 3D. Never worked for me too well on OG 3DS and I'm just not in the habit of using it on N3DS.
Cutscenes weren't even Team Ninja, that was mostly D-Rockets/Kitaura + Sakamoto.
Team Ninja mostly handled gameplay design, course design, audio design and encounter design.
People need to look at the credits. They speak volumes.
TheSpaceBetween
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They did it for Ocarina. I wouldn't mind a Super remake, but I'd much prefer Metroid V first.
Synless
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I honestly can't believe we have made it to Metroid Prime 4 and are still no closer to Metroid V.
blame space
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how come the eshop trailer isn't in 3D?
You have to hunt a bit, but you can download the video to your home screen to watch in 3d. You'll know youve found the right one on the eshop as it specifically mentions the 3d effect.
*It looks great btw