bigbaldwolf86
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MS are going to learn a harsh lesson at the rate they are going
MS marketing director: "We are going to kill Sony at E3!"
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SenjutsuSage
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I don't deny that MS dropped the ball. However, this was going on before Microsoft even said a word. Personally, I don't think it means anything in the end. Games always decide a platform's fate. The other policies will not be enough to keep gamers away if Microsoft's showing of games is strong enough. I can guarantee that much.
But, seriously, what if they bring the house down at E3 in a good way? What then? I think we're going to need a post conference fuck up from MS the way they are talking about their E3 conference. It sounds like they genuinely have some incredible stuff to announce and show.
With all this focus on the cloud, can you imagine if Microsoft announced that they were funding a Xbox One Exclusive Final Fantasy VII remake?
Gaf would be down for days.
iamshadowlark
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MS has been getting smacked by the press/public because of their mixed, inconsistent messages and PR.The fact is Sony has been every bit as cryptic and slippery on the subject. The only difference is that the press has given Microsoft a harder time for it and all the rumors that came out mostly targeted Microsoft's console. We still don't know the entire details of what Microsoft will do. We have some solid ideas based on what they've said, but with nothing being finalized, almost any aspect of what we believe now could end up different before long.
And an online check every 24 hours or whatever, from my point of view, makes sense because how else would you prevent 10 different people from installing the same copy of a game and running it off their hard drive? Microsoft's install every game policy actually introduces a new risk to developers that didn't exist on the same level before.
These games need to be protected the same way any major digital purchase might be protected on Steam or on consoles. The difference now is we are talking discs being fully installed on a hard drive and then no longer being needed for the game to be played. Traditional methods of keeping that game from being passed around to countless people are no longer sufficient, as much as I hate to say it.
Okay, you owe me a keyboard.
Sony isn't being cryptic at all. They've simply said that they aren't talking about it. That could be due to alot of reasons, one of those being that nothing is finalized yet.
The notion that GAF would give Sony some sort of pass if they were to reveal a strategy like MS needs to die though.
I'm not sure why some people are so defensive of MS. Why are you so worried about their console selling?
Do you honestly think it will be swept under the rug if PS4 has the exact same DRM?
Roland Deschain
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No need to kill anything. MS will do just fine with Xbone though.
maniac-kun
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If you care for Forza or Halo maybe.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
MS is rumored to have Fallout 4, Mirror's Edge 2 and the new Respawn game. Sony the Witcher 3 and a bunch of indie games. Yup MS seems better in that regard. Have to wait till E3 to see the full picture tho.
BlazingDarkness
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The fact is Sony has been every bit as cryptic and slippery on the subject. The only difference is that the press has given Microsoft a harder time for it and all the rumors that came out mostly targeted Microsoft's console. We still don't know the entire details of what Microsoft will do. We have some solid ideas based on what they've said, but with nothing being finalized, almost any aspect of what we believe now could end up different before long.
And an online check every 24 hours or whatever, from my point of view, makes sense because how else would you prevent 10 different people from installing the same copy of a game and running it off their hard drive? Microsoft's install every game policy actually introduces a new risk to developers that didn't exist on the same level before.
These games need to be protected the same way any major digital purchase might be protected on Steam or on consoles. The difference now is we are talking discs being fully installed on a hard drive and then no longer being needed for the game to be played. Traditional methods of keeping that game from being passed around to countless people are no longer sufficient, as much as I hate to say it.
Okay, you owe me a keyboard.
That's the thing though, there were a plethora of rumours concerning Microsoft and the online-only DRM and the issue of used-games in the weeks prior to its reveal, with Sony there was virtually nothing of that nature and we've not heard much of anything that might imply otherwise since its reveal (aside from that comment from Dorito's Pope) and Xbox One reveal served only to confound what people feared - which is precisely why people at large feel negatively about that platform. There's not a whole lot to suggest the same for the PS4, so to me it comes across as though it's deflecting to try and remove responsibility on Microsoft's behalf, as though it were inevitable, rather than a forced decision.
As for your second point, any easier way to eliminate exploitative sharing is to require the game disc to be in the tray when the game is running, no? I'd rather that than online DRM.
Where does the Fallout 4 rumor come from really?
SenjutsuSage
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That's where the catch is. I really don't care how any of these consoles sell. I just don't buy into the idea that the Xbox is in as much trouble as people think. I'm also getting a PS4 and Wii-U. I own all three systems from this gen and I plan to own them all again going into this gen.
The Xbox One could sell worse than the original xbox, and it wouldn't matter to me as long as I get some incredible games to play that are right up my alley. I bought a Wii for 2 games. Xenoblade Chronicles and The Last Story. Those aren't the only wii games I own, but those games are why I own a Wii. My purchase is vindicated by those two games alone. For me it really is about the games. I like this other side stuff regarding features and OS capabilities, too, but it's truly all about the games. And I genuinely get excited when one of the two starts talking this way. E3 is about drumming up excitement, and when you see statements like this, it gets the job done. You build up what you're going to show, and if you can deliver, it pays off. If you don't, you pay the price.
Microsoft are raising the stakes. I like it. A platform holder that supposedly has no games for the hardcore, sure seems to be making some pretty big talk about the games they have up their sleeves and are saving for the biggest gaming event out there. I have to believe that there is good reason for this. But we will see at E3.
Misterinenja
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People here sound scared. I say bring it!
I haven't been this exited over E3 in years.
I haven't been this exited over E3 in years.
Napalm_Frank
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Bethesda being in bed with MS this gen+GopherD namedropping it as an ''example'' of possible Xbone exclusive+I think some Giant Bomb guy talked about it.
Don't forget Versus
BlazingDarkness
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It's not even a rumour, it's pure speculation.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Giant Bomb? Dunno actually... but it has been buzzing around for a while now.
Tricky I Shadow
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Psycho_Mantis
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The same place where the FIFA, BF, COD being exclusive to Xbone came from.
BlazingDarkness
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Or maybe Sony are keeping their cards closer to their chest? Lack of rumours doesn't mean there's nothing happening behind the scenes.
iamshadowlark
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Honestly I'm leaning towards this whole thing about having to install each game as nothing more than a coverup excuse for their drm.
It makes no sense to force your customers to install every game on an unreplacable HDD.
What are other examples of 3rd console curse?
Sony of course (PS3)
And?
Nintendo? Third one should be N64 that was not a fail.
Sega? Saturn was owned by PSX indeed.
Chuck Norris
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Suicide bomb?
DragonSworne
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MS seriously thinks they have something over Sony?
GoofsterStud
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How exactly? It's what Marketing and PR people are expected to say anyway. Those words would have had more credibility in the mouth of some "unbiased" insider...
You can scrap the Witcher3, really. It's going to be multiplat from the get go.
Yeah, everybody is shaking with fear...facepalm!
amstradcpc
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People must remember how the "Sony defence force" was crushed when Sony was behaving like this with PS3 launch.
GHG
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I don't deny that MS dropped the ball. However, this was going on before Microsoft even said a word. Personally, I don't think it means anything in the end. Games always decide a platform's fate. The other policies will not be enough to keep gamers away if Microsoft's showing of games is strong enough. I can guarantee that much.
But, seriously, what if they bring the house down at E3 in a good way? What then? I think we're going to need a post conference fuck up from MS the way they are talking about their E3 conference. It sounds like they genuinely have some incredible stuff to announce and show.
With all this focus on the cloud, can you imagine if Microsoft announced that they were funding a Xbox One Exclusive Final Fantasy VII remake?
The final fantasy vii remake boat has long since sailed. The gaming world has move on since then and the final fantasy franchise's stock is arguably at its lowest point ever. It would be the worst time to announce something like that and the impact would be minimal for the demographic that microsoft are after.
BlazingDarkness
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I agree completely. Forcing you to be online to play your single player games (and install every one of them) is no more convenient than taking a game from your shelf and popping the disc in.
The FBI better get access to this guy's Xbone and Kinect since he has some dangerous thoughts.
It really seems like they've gotten too arrogant for their own good now just like most companies in this industry have in the past. Getting knocked down a peg or two is sometimes the best thing for your company going forward.
It really seems like they've gotten too arrogant for their own good now just like most companies in this industry have in the past. Getting knocked down a peg or two is sometimes the best thing for your company going forward.
MomoPufflet
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I like this bravado. Gaming industry needs more oddly translated death threats.
Clear
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I can't remember when MS last showed a game at E3 that got me excited; they've been coasting along on the same few franchises for years now.
Does anyone seriously expect a real change of direction from what's characterized the Kinect "era" thus far? They believe they have a winning formula, so they aren't going to deviate from it by much.
Does anyone seriously expect a real change of direction from what's characterized the Kinect "era" thus far? They believe they have a winning formula, so they aren't going to deviate from it by much.
Every EA game three months exclusive and GTA V exclusive confirmed.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
lol I listed a whole bunch of "possible" exclusives with no base on truth whatsoever and you only tell me to scrap the Witcher 3? Yeah...
I think Nintendo would consider N64 a bit of a failure, similar to Sony with PS3. They may have survived, but they lost a near lockdown on the market. Inevitable for any company, but I don't think they would consider it a success.
I don't deny that MS dropped the ball. However, this was going on before Microsoft even said a word. Personally, I don't think it means anything in the end. Games always decide a platform's fate. The other policies will not be enough to keep gamers away if Microsoft's showing of games is strong enough. I can guarantee that much.
But, seriously, what if they bring the house down at E3 in a good way? What then? I think we're going to need a post conference fuck up from MS the way they are talking about their E3 conference. It sounds like they genuinely have some incredible stuff to announce and show.
With all this focus on the cloud, can you imagine if Microsoft announced that they were funding a Xbox One Exclusive Final Fantasy VII remake?
They fired a ms employee because of always on etc, following on from leaks about what ms was going to do. What happened following the reveal only added fuel to the fire, if they had said we will give you specifics on how the console at a later date it wouldnt have been as bad. Its a strange situation as if sony now follows ms lead (if ms does all what we think) then the backlash towards sony could be even more vicious.
IonicSnake
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I think it's best to keep expectations in check, remember when MS hyped up their reveal and people started acting like the 2.4TF bump rumor was basically confirmed? I'm sure MS will have a bunch of exclusives but better be cautious with that hype.
Beautifully Shaped Monsters
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I think among many gamers N64 was considered a failure, at least somewhat. It sold significantly less than PSX (after SNES had been king) and also the use of cartridges instead of optical media held it back.
The saturn as well, mastersystem and mega drive were big sellers in uk saturn was bomba.
SenjutsuSage
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But then there goes that beautiful suspend, resume and quick switching that is possible with next gen games. It isn't quick switching or proper suspend and resume if we get a message saying put in the disc first. If a simple online check every 24 hours is all that's required for me to not lose these features, I welcome it, as much as I would like for it to not exist.
That's just my view on things.
I doubt it would be so bad for Sony, not because there is some MS bias, but simply because of this very simple truth: Misery loves company lol.
BlazingDarkness
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I think it's best to keep expectations in check, remember when MS hyped up their reveal and people started acting like the 2.4TF bump rumor was basically confirmed? I'm sure MS will have a bunch of exclusives but better be cautious with that hype.
There were people in the pre-conference thread frothing at the mouth because there was guaranteed to be truck loads of 'salt' on GAF after Microsoft shot down all of those rumours in a glorious fashion. Funny how that turned out.
BlazingDarkness
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I respect your view, but to me that's basically saying 'I give up my consumer rights and I enable online-DRM for the sake of convenience' which I (and many others) won't settle for.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Microsoft did also tell people quite clearly what kind of event it would be before it happened. They were hyping their E3 presser literally days before the initial reveal even happened, so I think there's a big difference this time. I'm among the crowd that liked that reveal event. I understood that it definitely needed more games, but I sorta understood it on a strategic level, even if it still didn't completely go over well with a lot of folks.
Same to you, I absolutely respect your and anyone else's view on this matter. I just don't see it as giving up my consumer rights. I'm one of those people that literally fears one day this habit that I love so much might go away entirely, or turn into that crap that you see happening on smartphones. I want to see developer's profits protected when they make a big game. I hate seeing all those layoffs happen in the games industry. I know that they will likely happen even if certain policies take effect, but maybe there might be less of them if games ultimately profit for developers and publishers more. We always think it will never happen to the big developers, or the ones we really love, but I see a lot of worrying signs about the games industry, and as much as I hate to see it happen, the industry may have to change if it's going to survive and thrive over the long haul.
My most loved part of the games industry, the Japanese games industry, seems like it's slowly falling apart before my very eyes and I have a lot of serious concerns about that. I see accepting certain realities or inevitabilities as doing my part to preserve my favorite hobby. Maybe I'm wrong. And, trust me, I would be right there with everybody else in loving the decisions if somehow none of it was going to happen on either side. However, I just see this as definitely happening eventually, and if a more proactive and reasonable approach isn't arrived at sooner rather than later, we may dread the alternative later and practically start begging for one or more platform holders to do something to help balance things out. Could you imagine if each individual publisher and developer started crafting their own solutions as opposed to agreeing with and following the lead of one or more platform holders? I don't know about anyone else, but this prospect of developers/publishers taking matters into their own hands sure scares the crap out of me.
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