Infested Goblin
Member
Thank God for Witcher 4 good like\dislike ratio so they can't blame intergalatics reception purely on "chuds hates female protagonist"
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AyraSutoraifu
Member
Too bad we can't talk about what the game will be outside of the mc.
Hope cruising through space and combat with this
Hope cruising through space and combat with this
Trilobit
Member
Groundking
Neo Member
So apparently saying;
'ND has fallen off
Produce placement
uke:'
Is a ban worthy event for 'trolling' on resetera I did not realise they were THAT uptight.
The bad reaction to this just keeps rolling on and on and on. It'll still probably sell well due to the ND name (and no doubt the production values will still be unbelievable) but I can see this easily being the worst performing ND game in 2 decades.
'ND has fallen off
Produce placement
uke:'Is a ban worthy event for 'trolling' on resetera
I did not realise they were THAT uptight.The bad reaction to this just keeps rolling on and on and on. It'll still probably sell well due to the ND name (and no doubt the production values will still be unbelievable) but I can see this easily being the worst performing ND game in 2 decades.
Ellery
Member
No matter whether you have great taste for games or are full of ideological grievances seeing yourself in a modern day identity politics battle everywhere you go it is fascinating that Naughty Dog can bring out threads like this. Nearly 100 pages for the next GOAT game that releases of the end of the PS5 lifecycle that is going to annihilate everything and win everything and people are upset the lead character is not an anime girl with huge eyes completely breaking the immersion.
Sometimes it is quite magical to observe the same sensation Neil Druckmann triggers in some Neogaf users as I see Donald Trump has on left wing media. It drives them mad and makes them unable to logically and critically think.
I thought this looked ND quality from the very first second and we get a completely new IP what everyone (including the TLOU haters) has been asking for.
Looks absolutely sublime. My most anticipated game by far.
Hope I can get the Collector's Edition.
Sometimes it is quite magical to observe the same sensation Neil Druckmann triggers in some Neogaf users as I see Donald Trump has on left wing media. It drives them mad and makes them unable to logically and critically think.
I thought this looked ND quality from the very first second and we get a completely new IP what everyone (including the TLOU haters) has been asking for.
Looks absolutely sublime. My most anticipated game by far.
Hope I can get the Collector's Edition.
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Calm down in stop projecting whatever I was saying. I didn't say anything about them going crap or something.
Astray
Member
They will be more than fine because they have the actual dislike numbers in their YouTube creator page.Ratio update: It's in the 70-78% dislikes now
Imagine showing this to your brand partners
Adidas, Porsche: 'So how's the trailer reception?'
ND:
The restore dislike plugin gives idiots fake numbers so they can feel good about dislike-bombing.
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Loboxxx
Member
And if she was wearing makeup or boots I wouldn't have noticed her either, in fact I didn't see anything strange in the trailer, I saw a woman bounty hunter in a typical 80's sci-fi setting. The most normal thing in the world. That's why I was surprised by all the noise about if she's woke, if she's ugly, if she's a man, etc. It's amazing what we've come to with all this stuff.She should probably take off these fresh pair of Adidas trainers off too and put on some safety boot.
Astray
Member
Mister Wolf
Given that you think I'm being hyperbolic or non-factual, here's the extension devs themselves telling you, in their github, where the numbers come from:return-youtube-dislike/Docs/FAQ.md at main · Anarios/return-youtube-dislike
Chrome extension to return youtube dislikes. Contribute to Anarios/return-youtube-dislike development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
This shit has not been factual for a long, long time now. 1000 people with the extension can completely rig the numbers by doing a dislike campaign.
God knows how many projects got derailed and railroaded because of that dumb extension. You got fucking gaming journalists using that shit to make articles etc too.
Pedro Motta
Member
88 pages of non sense!
midnightAI
Banned
You said I was to 'calm down', I just need to know what I should 'calm down' about
bighugeguns
Member
Well, someone here has to buy it, I can't, I have something I'm doing that day.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
AyraSutoraifu
Member
Astray
Member
How is this cope? It's literally factual you dumb fuck.Wait what? is this new cope mechanism for Sony/ND simps?!?
That somehow the plugin gives fake dislike numbers for Intergalactic but yet honest numbers for all other games, Elden Ring, Onimusha, Okami 2, Witcher 4, etc
It would be equally true for any game or any video on YT, not just Sony ones.
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realcool
Member
That's fair.
Most of the arguments that challenge the authenticity of dislikes dismiss them as inorganic whilst assuming likes are organic.
I think alienation is Naughty Dog's intention. It's ironic, in a way.
I don't think it matters to Naughty Dog at all.
If a product is polarizing, it stands to reason that sales will be affected either way. To what extent? In totality, I don't know. However, I can confidently say that the number of sales affected by a polarizing product will not be zero.
This is true. It's entertainment at the end of the day. Consumers will consume, ultimately.
midnightAI
Banned
I dont see it personally, they look very different (and thats after working loads of mech/robot designs myself, as you can see from my avatar)
LectureMaster
Gold Member
Wait what? is this new cope mechanism for Sony/ND simps?!?
That somehow the plugin gives fake dislike numbers for Intergalactic but yet honest numbers for all other games, Elden Ring, Onimusha, Okami 2, Witcher 4, etc
crackajack
Member
Dislikes might not matter, sure. but i guess positive hype is nevertheless preferable to attracting negative buzz of that magnitude. I am kinda perplexed that ND did fail so much close after Concord. That must have made them aware that some stuff better sticks the landing? I personally was not even hating Concord at all in its first trailer and would probably have had fun with it as a f2p title if they did not pull the plug. (Foamstars was kinda fun too.) Concord looked okay, good enough to have some hours fun. This might also be good or great, but the trailer did not really pitch the IP, its design, the main character well, not at all. Cinematic to the max, which works when the content is right, but pointless effort if not.
I personally found the info that Trent and Atticus do contribute to the soundtrack quite enticing. (Best part of that Tron Game was its sound, just in the main menu when booted... glorious.) Soundtracks can be a great elevating part of a game.
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Kotaro
Member
calm down, you're an emotional wreck
When I post ratio numbers, I post for all other games too, so if the plugin methodology is consistent for all games, that still looks bad for Intergalactic in comparison to other games
Intergalactic dislikes ratio = 70-78%
Onimusha = 0.5%
Elden Ring = 3%
Witcher 4 = 8-10%
you may doubt the total number, but in comparison to other games Intergalactic number is a disaster
Senua
Member
KaiserBecks
Member
I knew that someone would go "AcKtually"...
What does Kavinsky have to do with Reznor doing the OST for Heretic ?
I was referring to how Drive kick-started the whole 80s "craze" back then and the fact that - at least for the trailer - Heretic looks like a "wink* look at all this 80s shit *wink" which - again - is not a novelty anymore.
Besides, like @Saturn Dragon dragon said, at least for us geeks, Vice city kick-started the same thing for games 20 years ago.
My comment had purely to do with the more..."commercial" 80s perception, cause while you and I may know and have played VC, my aunt in her mid 60s surely hasn't (but has watched both Drive, Super 8 and Stranger things).
So, again, what does the fact of Drive having some Kavinsky have to do with Reznor doing the OST for Heretic ?
I get what you're saying, but you make it sound like Intergalactic is chasing some trend. Utilizing Trent Reznor not through licensing but by letting him create a soundtrack is what stands out here. Unlike Kavinsky, he isn't a one trick pony.
Guilty_AI
Member
All problems and doubts could be put to rest if youtube returned the dislike count. While they don't, i'll gladly keep using the extensions as reference as its what we have.
return-youtube-dislike/Docs/FAQ.md at main · Anarios/return-youtube-dislike
Chrome extension to return youtube dislikes. Contribute to Anarios/return-youtube-dislike development by creating an account on GitHub.
This shit has not been factual for a long, long time now. 1000 people with the extension can completely rig the numbers by doing a dislike campaign.
God knows how many projects got derailed and railroaded because of that dumb extension. You got fucking gaming journalists using that shit to make articles etc too.
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midnightAI
Banned
Now that would get the adrenaline pumping (not the best Nine Inch Nails song, and it is from their Fixed album which is a kind of remix/reimagining of the Broken album, and I;m sure the music for the game will be less Nine Inch Nails and more new wave, but still)
Then Google should just reveal the actual figures, YouTube is unusable without that extension as far as I'm concerned. Google is dumb and a sellout, the extension is necessary and awesome, and very transparent as to how it works.
Nothing is getting derailed because of it as the uploader knows the actual dislike count anyway. If Sony doesn't like the narrative they can just reveal the real dislike ratio if they wish.
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Guilty_AI
Member
From the site's description, seems everything will take place on a single planet on land. There could be some segments in space but probably won't be a focal element.
Fabieter
Member
return-youtube-dislike/Docs/FAQ.md at main · Anarios/return-youtube-dislike
Chrome extension to return youtube dislikes. Contribute to Anarios/return-youtube-dislike development by creating an account on GitHub.
This shit has not been factual for a long, long time now. 1000 people with the extension can completely rig the numbers by doing a dislike campaign.
God knows how many projects got derailed and railroaded because of that dumb extension. You got fucking gaming journalists using that shit to make articles etc too.
Companys like ND could also push for a honest system. But druckmann wasn't even brave enough to have comments enabled on their own YouTube channel. They knew exactly that people wouldn't like their political content. They deserve all the shit thats coming at them.
Giallo Corsa
Member
At least we can agree on Kavinsky being a one trick pony mate, i mean this is still his best track and it was released...how many years ago now ?
And hey, i always liked NIN but again, it doesn't have anything to do with Intergalactic, my main gripe with what has been shown so far is that it doesn't have the "impact"/gravitas they thought it would have for the reasons i mentioned in my 1st post (i.e, the 80s motif being played to death).
We can agree to disagree brother, ain't nothing wrong with that, cheers
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Neil fucking hates those people. It's not about bravery or lack thereof. While we argue back and forth seething, he's got at least another 3 years collecting a large pay check at ND, before retiring from the game industry and achieving what Kojima never could in actuality making a functioning career in Hollywood.
The bald-headed controversy is just another middle finger to the gaming audience that he feels bitter towards. And it's not entirely unjustified.
Astray
Member
Authenticity is not just whether the likes/dislikes are made by real people or not (that's a factor), it's also about whether the numbers are actually being returned by Google's YouTube API.
Likes are correct to the number that exists on Google's databases because Google's API returns the call for that number. That is still the case for both botted and organic likes, which are both included in the count.
This used to be the same for dislikes until 2021. That was when YouTube stopped reporting the number publicly, and accordingly stopped the API from returning any calls from any apps for the dislike count.
Whatever number you can see, whether it's good or bad, is definitely not the real number because Google's API simply won't return the real number.
The 1st step to analyzing anything numerically is to first vet the sources of data. If you don't do that then it's just garbage in, garbage out.
All these numbers are actually not correct, even the "good" ones are not correct.
The real dislike number for all of these could be higher or lower than what the extension is giving you, including Intergalactic.
Because not only does the extension not register any dislikes by those who didn't install it (meaning these guys are unaccounted for entirely, just for the record, there are 5 million people using the extension out of 2.3 BILLION people who use YouTube), it also multiplies the ratio of extension user dislikes to likes by the total number of likes.
This kinda works as an estimate for normal videos because who cares if the number that dislikes a cat video is 20 or 2000, but for an issue that attracts any kind of controversy to the point where a dislike campaign is happening, the ratio of extension dislikes to likes will almost certainly be >1 (because anyone who would be part of a dislike campaign is likely installing the extension), and those dislike figures will stop actually representing reality, because now they "grow" when likes grow.
So go and read up on how the number is calculated by the extension developer before you come in and accuse people of coping.
They should almost certainly return to posting the real figures, that was honestly a bad call (and almost assuredly made as a capitulation to advertisers and corporate entities).
But I don't agree with the extension being good, the guy simply made up a formula, which clearly has deficiencies and as a result, has likely done far more harm than good. He could very simply fix it by making the extension post the dislikes of people who have it installed with no further mathematical manipulation, I have no idea why he didn't do that already.
Ultimately it's your call, but I won't agree be fed a fraudulent number just because it feeds my ego. As such I deleted the extension about 6 months ago when I found that out.
It's one thing to not want comments or not (also who fucking cares? There are countless avenues to voice your opinion), but people should also be able to see reality as it is.
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Fabieter
Member
If the last part is true and he is just a hateful leftist and ND deserves to crash with him at the helm.
crackajack
Member
his ghost stuff almost has a sigur ros feeling- did not like it much though- or anything after. But loved his work with Saul Williams and also the How to destroy angels download. At the very least it should be interesting what he does. I would assume he knows well how to fiddle with sliders to make one endless track mellow when needed and pump it up when action is happening.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
It's not a midwestern nice response, but be honest, he was pretty badly harassed and abused on the internet when Part II leaked, as were people on the team and on the game. Can't pretend like the hate didn't exist.
If Naughty Dog crashes, gamers TM get to be "right" in the end. Druckmann walks away with millions in the bank, Hollywood connections and a generally "successful" career. Most of the ND staff will never be deprived of choices to work at big companies.
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midnightAI
Banned
Oh, absolutely, their work on The Social Network is awesome
This one may be more in style with new wave/80s/90s that they may put into Intergalactic (possibly)
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
why?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
im in shock they didn't use Jaguar instead, these brands are most likely part of this circus tooRatio update: It's in the 70-78% dislikes now
Imagine showing this to your brand partners
Adidas, Porsche: 'So how's the trailer reception?'
ND:
Sept Terrion Of Nothing
Member
We don't know the back story of this character but instead of her look, I triggered from her manners. I hate adolescent mannerisms.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Would have been far cooler to play a character which looks like that TBH.This character is a bit strange to me, her voice and mannerism sound like that of an insecure 20 year old, just like that Suicide Squad character Lawless.
MayauMiao
Member
CliffBronger
Member
When South Park said “put a chick in it and make her lame and gay” It's almost like Naughty Dog took it as a challenge.
crackajack
Member
just guessing, but a deal with Porsche could mean that we might also see Audi and Cupra or even Skoda, Seat, everything VW. Jaguar is owned by Tata now i think, so there is much less possible.
Having a plethora of freakish design studies, maybe actually from designers from those companies would be fine by me. Better a couple of brands than pushing just one on my nose.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
i was taking about the recent jaguar fiasco. but you are right about that.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I wish we knew more about the game outside of the MC like literally anything but here we are
How many times do you get to make a first impression?
Fabieter
Member
If Sony is giving him a platform to spread his hate, then Sony is equally responsible. This is absolutely disgusting. Rest assured, if the hate grows large enough, it will inevitably affect his Hollywood career. While I didn’t agree with the criticism he received in the past, it’s becoming more and more acceptable to criticize him now.
If he can’t handle criticism from gamers and acts like a crybaby, he won’t survive in Hollywood either. His overly "woke" leftist agenda won’t last forever in that industry.
So, we have Neil Druckmann, someone who seemingly dislikes gamers, producing increasingly subpar games. Why is he still in his position? Is it because he’s merely an average writer?
Are Naughty Dog fanboys seriously defending this kind of behavior?
Sethbacca
Member
Yeah, most of us don't give a fuck about the culture warring bullshit and just wanna play games. Acting like there's some big conspiracy against you all is so fucking laughable.
When a game censors a half a titty, GAF is all up in arms like "NO CENSORSHIP, CENSORSHIP BAD, PROTECT THE ARTIST"
When a dude is out here making the game he wants it turns into "WAHHH CENSOR IT TO MY LIKING, WE DON'T LIKE IT"
If there was any logical consistency to any of this shit it would be amazing. Buy it or don't, it will fail or it won't. It's a Naughty Dog game though, so I wouldn't hold my breath on it failing.
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Fabieter
Member
Duckmann just sharing his Kinks with us.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
"if you are displeased with product consume other products" would be a better summarization to what I said frankly
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Kind of, though i'm well aware that this spreads to other communities. Hence the "culture war grifter shit" i was calling out in the original post.
This type of hate-mob makes gaming more negative for everybody. It's an understandable reaction but it's still unproductive and doesn't get you anywhere.
Druckmann's views are set in stone- no amount of dislikes will change that. And the fanbase isn't going anywhere as evidenced by TLOU2's sales.
Literally, just play any of the other games shown at TGAs.