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NBA Finals 2016 |OT| - The King demands seconds. The Chef delivers.

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Gigglepoo

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rambis said:
Yeah im not sure what he's talking about. Cavs have been ruled out since the WC semis at the least.
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Everyone on ESPN (except Tom Haberstroh) thought the series would go 6 or 7 games with 7 picking the Cavs. Again, a lot of people thought this was a bad matchup, but no one was saying the Cavs were a team of bums before this series began.
 
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J2 Cool

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Gigglepoo said:
It would be so great, though! And Melo can play defense when he wants to. He was great on both ends when Denver got to the WCF.
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He would be so fun to see in a Klay Thompson role. I imagine his efficiency could go up quite a bit, while holding 20ppg. Too bad we likely see his career play out, without another meaningful game played.

Gully State said:
https://streamable.com/3zs7
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Bet the kid could average a better free throw percentage though.
 
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MushroomSamba

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CrocMother said:
Well Lebron is possibly the best two-way player of all time.

Outside of that, I guess you're right.
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I think there was a dude by the name Michael Jordan who was a pretty decent two-way player. I probably don't need to talk about his offensive achievements, but defensively:

1 DPOY
9x all-defensive first team
3x steals leader

vs Lebron:
0 DPOY
5x all-defensive first team
1 all-defensive second team
 
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Ninja Scooter said:
Pretty sure most if not all of the gate money stays with the home team, so the NBA wouldn't have much vested interest in risking the entire credibility of the sport just for a few extra thousand ticket sales. C'mon people use some common sense. If the league had the ability, or even cared enough to, rig the league to this level all in the name of ratings the Lakers and Knicks would be in the Finals every year. The league is healthy as fuck even if the Warriors (you know the team that features the leagues most popular and well liked player since maybe Jordan) sweep the Cavs in embarrassing fashion.
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Extra games gonna cause the cap to go up even higher than expected

http://sportsnaut.com/2016/06/warriors-record-setting-playoff-revenue-will-impact-nba-cap/

I mean i agree with you. Im just saying theyd have a good reason to rig it for 7 if they wanted to
 
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Gully State

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That and Frye's offensive game plays right into the Warriors small ball lineup. He isn't going to be getting open straight away 3's let alone corner ones.
 
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beat

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Mike Prada says LeBron has declined enough that GSW can disrupt their entire offense. He's just slightly less explosive but it's enough that the Dubs can send last-second help if necessary while mostly smothering ball movement otherwise.
That's why critics of the Cavaliers' isolation-heavy approach in this series miss the bigger picture. The first step toward moving the ball is drawing two defenders to one offensive player. The Warriors' switching prevents the Cavaliers from doing that on pick-and-rolls and cute off-ball action, so Cleveland must count on their stars to suck defenders into their vortex by themselves.

But as long as James going one-on-one against any Warrior spits out less than a point or so per possession, the Warriors won't double-team. Therefore, no openings are created, no purposeful ball movement happens and everyone complains about ISO-ball.
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Also, as for the Cavs' defense, I was rewatching clips highlight clips from the two regular season meetings. (I believe both were played with Blatt's defense and before the Spurs showed the league that switching on Warriors screens was more successful than other plans.) While both games were losses for the Cavs, they didn't look nearly as confused or badly out of position as they have in the Finals. I don't think the Cavs have the personnel of the Spurs or esp the Thunder to run a defense that'll stop the Warriors, but also they don't remotely have the experience with such a scheme to play it.
 
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clevbrowns94

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I think at least psychologically, Love out may help. Because once he starts shooting like crap (which is often) and playing poor defense, it's like the other non-Lebron players follow suit. I don't know though. The net effect is still the same: Cavs were unlikely to win with him and unlikely without him. Only hope at this point is for J.R. to go off.
 
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rambis

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Gigglepoo said:
Everyone on ESPN (except Tom Haberstroh) thought the series would go 6 or 7 games with 7 picking the Cavs. Again, a lot of people thought this was a bad matchup, but no one was saying the Cavs were a team of bums before this series began.
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Nobody's saying they are bums now. People really buy into the narratives for whatever reason. Learn how to find a middle ground instead of polar opposites.

Cavs need more depth, particularly at the 4-5 spots and a bench. That doesn't mean they are bums. That doesn't mean "Omg now Lebron needs help".
 
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PadWarrior said:
No Love so maybe a 40 point dubs win?
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He hasn't been half the player he was in MIN. I wonder if Lebron would even do that trade now. Especially after Love showed up out of shape in his first season with the Cavs, injury or not. I think game 4 will be the last time we see Love in a Cavs uni since people still have some sort of overvalue on him going on.
 
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clevbrowns94 said:
I think at least psychologically, Love out may help. Because once he starts shooting like crap (which is often) and playing poor defense, it's like the other non-Lebron players follow suit. I don't know though. The net effect is still the same: Cavs were unlikely to win with him and unlikely without him. Only hope at this point is for J.R. to go off.
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The other non-LeBron players follow suit because the Cavs roster is full of guys who are a streaky shooters and shit defenders, not because they fall under some spell caused by the mere presence of Kevin Love.
 
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PadWarrior

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Teletraan1 said:
He hasn't been half the player he was in MIN. I wonder if Lebron would even do that trade now. Especially after Love showed up out of shape in his first season with the Cavs, injury or not. I think game 4 will be the last time we see Love in a Cavs uni since people still have some sort of overvalue on him going on.
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Wonder who the sucker will be to trade for him lol.
 
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Gigglepoo

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rambis said:
Nobody's saying they are bums now. People really buy into the narratives for whatever reason. Learn how to find a middle ground instead of polar opposites.

Cavs need more depth, particularly at the 4-5 spots and a bench. That doesn't mean they are bums. That doesn't mean "Omg now Lebron needs help".
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What i find odd is that people keep expecting Lebron to go into this solo dolo mode again but won't go so far as to make the connection to say that maybe the pieces around him just aren't that good.
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People weren't saying the other Cavs players weren't good before the series began. Experts were expecting a long series and some even thought the Cavs would win. Before this series, LeBron's teammates were seen as good and now the narrative has turned. That's what I'm responding to, the idea that "the pieces around him aren't that good."
 
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love being out might make them better if they can improve their defense? heh

but then again if they can't score...thompson sucks so bad on that end
 
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Unfortunately the Cavs play small ball and against GSW it won't work as they arguably have the best small ball lineup of all time.

OKC took it to 7 thanks to their bigs like Adams, Kanter and Ibaka. In addition, the length of KD and Westbrook created problems for their small ball.

To beat GSW you need to go big and force GSW to match you, not the other way around.
 
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Gully State

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On a similar topic, I will never understand this narrative that Delly just completely shut down Curry. The numbers illustrate otherwise. Steph figured out Delly last year. The guy had maybe 2 solid defensive games against Curry in the finals.

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MushroomSamba said:
I think there was a dude by the name Michael Jordan who was a pretty decent two-way player. I probably don't need to talk about his offensive achievements, but defensively:

1 DPOY
9x all-defensive first team
3x steals leader

vs Lebron:
0 DPOY
5x all-defensive first team
1 all-defensive second team
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Hakeem Olajuwon would also be there before Lebron.
 
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Stat Flow

He gonna cry in the car
LeBron is more versatile of a defender (due to size). That's about the only thing he's got a leg-up on.

Offensively...it's not even close because LeBron's jumper is broken as fuck. How are people saying LeBron is the best two way player of all time?
 
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rambis

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Dell's life as the Curry stopper was short lived. Curry was dancing on him by the end of it.


I want to see a fully healthy, playoff Heat squad take on this Warrior team. Especially with how Steph and Klay are playing mediocre. Wade was looking better than he has in years and Bosh would've got his on Draymond I think. Whiteside to protect the rim and clean the glass. And a lengthy bench to actually compete with the Warrior's.
 
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PBY

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rambis said:
Dell's life as the Curry stopper was short lived. Curry was dancing on him by the end of it.


I want to see a fully healthy, playoff Heat squad take on this Warrior team. Especially with how Steph and Klay are playing mediocre. Wade was looking better than he has in years and Bosh would've got his on Draymond I think. Whiteside to protect the rim and clean the glass. And a lengthy bench to actually compete with the Warrior's.
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Wait what

I'm a heat fan and stahp.

I think healthy heat vs cavs would be fun though, I think the heat would be the old pacers in those pacers v heat series, super close but lose in 6 or 7 always.
 
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rambis

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PBY said:
Wait what

I'm a heat fan and stahp.

I think healthy heat vs cavs would be fun though, I think the heat would be the old pacers in those pacers v heat series, super close but lose in 6 or 7 always.
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They match up better than these Cavs do at the very least. And Spo is actually a decent defensive coach.
 
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