New Fantastic Four Trailer

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Fury451 said:
OK, that's a little more optimistic as far as performance goes at least. But if the backstory that they teased before is true, I'm not sure that even he could save it. And the look is still terribad lol
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Here's what Kebbell said at comic-con about the backstory:

“There’s no conversation about [Doom’s origins] in the film. We don’t have time to talk about me- I would love it, but we don’t have real time. Yeah, he’s still from the same place, his mother is still a gypsy and done her deals, his father still perished from exposure looking after me. He’s angry. He’s an angry dude. But now he’s in Baxter. He’s bright and he’s trying to make people proud. He found a new father in Dr. Storm, the father of Johnny and adoptive father of Sue. I kind of get adopted as well, in a fantastic performance by Reg E. Cathey. And that’s Doom as we see him. He’s a computer technician, a computer scientist. There were rumors he was a hacker or something, but no. Victor Von Doom is who we hope he will be.”
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I'm not crazy about the look, but I don't really care if the character is there. This is why Ultron didn't work for me--I didn't really care for his look (I think they chose the worst design out of their concepts), but it wouldn't have mattered if they did his character justice. They didn't (all IMO, of course), so he didn't work for me.

Neoxon said:
Hell, Marvel could even do a compelling Doctor Doom movie. He's just that awesome of a villain. A shame Fox seems to be continuously squandering such potential.
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Marvel has yet to prove they know anything about creating a good villain outside of Loki. You're giving them way too much credit.
 
Anton Sugar said:
EDIT: Also, Toby Kebbell is amazing and will do fine as Doom.

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Yep. He's good. I've seen him in a few things. He will make a good Doom.
 
Anton Sugar said:
Marvel has yet to prove they know anything about creating a good villain outside of Loki. You're giving them way too much credit.
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The idea is that they'll have to make him compelling if he's the main character of his own movie. They won't be allowed to screw up Doom if the movie is about Doom. If nothing else, it'd beat what we're getting. Which is a shame, because I think Toby Kebbell could have actually pulled off a comic-accurate Doom.
 
Zoned said:
Looks at Ultron...yeah NO.
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Please refer to my following statement.
Neoxon said:
The idea is that they'll have to make him compelling if he's the main character of his own movie. They won't be allowed to screw up Doom if the movie is about Doom. If nothing else, it'd beat what we're getting. Which is a shame, because I think Toby Kebbell could have actually pulled off a comic-accurate Doom.
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Neoxon said:
The idea is that they'll have to make him compelling if he's the main character of his own movie. They won't be allowed to screw up Doom if the movie is about Doom. If nothing else, it'd beat what we're getting. Which is a shame, because I think Toby Kebbell could have actually pull off a comic-accurate Doom.
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I would probably watch a standalone Doom movie with Kebbell, true.
 
Anton Sugar said:
I would probably watch a standalone Doom movie with Kebbell, true.
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Exactly. It's just a shame that if Marvel gets the rights back (in the event that this movie bombs financially & critically), Kebbell will be off the table. And all things considered, Kebbell is a damn good actor who could have been able to do Doom justice with the right material.
 
It would be funny to get a Doom solo movie leading up to him getting punked in pure MCU fashion in their version of a F4 film. Least he would look right though!
 
Hagi said:
It would be funny to get a Doom solo movie leading up to him getting punked in pure MCU fashion in their version of a F4 film. Least he would look right though!
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Just get the same director for both, or at least get the same writers between a Doom solo film & the proper F4 film. And even then, don't pit Doom against the F4 until later in the trilogy.
 
Anton Sugar said:
Not saying this to you directly, but I keep hearing "I want the REAL Doctor Doom" and, to me, it just reinforces how misguided it is to want a character to be based on a costume. Watch the movie before you decide someone is or isn't a character.
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The thing with that is, though, is that Kebbell himself seems to be a fan of the character, and that paragraph to me sounds more like an attempt to appease the angry fans. I dunno. People associated with a production often say "Yeah this is really cool and great and I loved doing it".

And sadly, so far, Fox has not convinced me that they are capable of producing a good villain. They've cast a few absolutely magnificent actors (Ian McKellen as Magneto was a stroke of genius, Kevin Bacon was a great choice for Sebastian Shaw, and I also really liked the casting of Peter Dinklage as Bolivar Trask), but the characterization and dialogue for the villains, even the ones that got casted well, have been lackluster at best.

Given their track record with sub-par super hero films and particularly disappointing villains, I'm not sure I trust Fox to make a character like Doom work well. While some of the supposed backstory is faithful to the source material, I'm still not sure as to why they feel that a dude in an armor and cloak looks inferior to their really dumb visual designs. Any producer who looks at that visual design and approves it speaks, at least to me, that they don't have a lot of regard for the source material.
Because there's no need to update Dr. Doom's visuals. His design is timeless. I mean if you really need to have some glowy bits on the armor fine, nobody would complain about glowy bits on the armor, but this whole robo-zomie look just screams disregard of the source to me. That they want to have "their own thing" and don't need no stinky Mahvel to make "cool" designs.

Finally, I'm not going to knock down Kebbell - I've never seen any of his performances but he seems to be held in high regard so he might do well. But as it stands, the bar of expectations is very low for me.

I hope I made sense (cause I sometimes tend to ramble) and helped you understand why this Doom look isn't very promising to me (and perhaps others, I can't speak for em).
 
Anton Sugar said:
Don't sleep on Toby Kebbell. He was the other half of the Shakespearean tragedy that was Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.

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He was also the lead of the best episode of Black Mirror (IMO).

Not saying this to you directly, but I keep hearing "I want the REAL Doctor Doom" and, to me, it just reinforces how misguided it is to want a character to be based on a costume. Watch the movie before you decide someone is or isn't a character.
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I mean, the best? But it was certainly good enough (that and RocknRolla) to make me keep track of what he's doing.
 
Really not a fan of how this is looking, especially Doom. Which is odd because I like the recent X-Men films and thought the Deadpool trailer looked okay.
 
Just sell the fucking rights back for a billion or some shit, Fox. Don't drag this out further with a sequel to this half hearted faff and keep this going for like another decade for fucks sake.

So much wooden shit delivery. Human Torch is the worst of the bunch. If youre gonna do a big ethnicity swap like that, actor better be unbelievably into it and firing on all cylinders, not dragging the whole thing down like here. Such a total misunderstanding of what made the FF comics and gave them their different feel. Pro-tip: THE INCREDIBLES IS A GOOD MOVIE YOU SHOULD BE TAKING EVERY CUE FROM.
 
Looks like a run of the mill origin story

Doom interpretation obviously the biggest problem

The Thing also looks kinda shoddy in certain scenes
 
looks awful imo but one thing thats weird, why do they barely show Reed's powers? Lots of Torch being Torch, barely any Reed, besides some weak ass stretch punch at the end

Im guessing he barely does anyway with his powers in the movie
 
Rhaknar said:
looks awful imo but one thing thats weird, why do they barely show Reed's powers? Lots of Torch being Torch, barely any Reed, besides some weak ass stretch punch at the end

Im guessing he barely does anyway with his powers in the movie
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All the other powers are easy to make look 'bad-ass'. Weird uncanny valley limb stretching is always going to look a bit crap unless you really know what youre doing and trailer cuts know that this lot dont.

Its also why a super serious slant on FF doesn't work. Reed is supposed to be stretching round like a weird goddam taffy worm half of the time, all while Johnny is pranking the crap out of Ben. Their iconic vehicle is a flying bathtub for instance, not a military blackbird thing.
 
Pie and Beans said:
All the other powers are easy to make look 'bad-ass'. Weird uncanny valley limb stretching is always going to look a bit crap unless you really know what youre doing and trailer cuts know that this lot dont.

Its also why a super serious slant on FF doesn't work. Reed is supposed to be stretching round like a weird goddam taffy worm half of the time, all while Johnny is pranking the crap out of Ben. Their iconic vehicle is a flying bathtub for instance, not a military blackbird thing.
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Reed was doing Gear Third long before Luffy

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Red Arremer said:
The thing with that is, though, is that Kebbell himself seems to be a fan of the character, and that paragraph to me sounds more like an attempt to appease the angry fans. I dunno. People associated with a production often say "Yeah this is really cool and great and I loved doing it".

And sadly, so far, Fox has not convinced me that they are capable of producing a good villain. They've cast a few absolutely magnificent actors (Ian McKellen as Magneto was a stroke of genius, Kevin Bacon was a great choice for Sebastian Shaw, and I also really liked the casting of Peter Dinklage as Bolivar Trask), but the characterization and dialogue for the villains, even the ones that got casted well, have been lackluster at best.

Given their track record with sub-par super hero films and particularly disappointing villains, I'm not sure I trust Fox to make a character like Doom work well. While some of the supposed backstory is faithful to the source material, I'm still not sure as to why they feel that a dude in an armor and cloak looks inferior to their really dumb visual designs. Any producer who looks at that visual design and approves it speaks, at least to me, that they don't have a lot of regard for the source material.
Because there's no need to update Dr. Doom's visuals. His design is timeless. I mean if you really need to have some glowy bits on the armor fine, nobody would complain about glowy bits on the armor, but this whole robo-zomie look just screams disregard of the source to me. That they want to have "their own thing" and don't need no stinky Mahvel to make "cool" designs.

Finally, I'm not going to knock down Kebbell - I've never seen any of his performances but he seems to be held in high regard so he might do well. But as it stands, the bar of expectations is very low for me.

I hope I made sense (cause I sometimes tend to ramble) and helped you understand why this Doom look isn't very promising to me (and perhaps others, I can't speak for em).
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Good post, thanks. I completely understand your hesitation. I mostly agree, but then again, I'd take both old or young Magneto over 95% of MCU villains.

I mainly take issue with "this character doesn't look like the comic character, therefore he is a bad representation of this character". It ignores artistic license and, to an extent, vision. If they get the core of the character, what drives the character to exist--that's the most important, and there's no way of judging that from a trailer.
 
DrGonzo615 said:
This stood out to me too, its like the tank turret just disappears.

This honestly looks worse than the early footage of the original Fantastic Four movie. The visuals look boring, the dialogue is terrible, and DOCTOR DOOM LOOKS LIKE FUCKING SHIT!

Everything is shot in the least interesting way possible....it just looks so goddamn boring
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What about everything Thing punches gets obliterated into dust.
 
Didn't mind it. Was pretty cliché but hopefully it won't have a cute little quip every other line. I think Marvel went overboard with the levity in their recent films and I'm ready for something more dramatic.
 
Anton Sugar said:
Good post, thanks. I completely understand your hesitation. I mostly agree, but then again, I'd take both old or young Magneto over 95% of MCU villains.

I mainly take issue with "this character doesn't look like the comic character, therefore he is a bad representation of this character". It ignores artistic license and, to an extent, vision. If they get the core of the character, what drives the character to exist--that's the most important, and there's no way of judging that from a trailer.
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I partially disagree. Doctor Doom's character is, yes, important... but the man is also a symbol, a vision. It would be like having a guy run around in a bedsheet beating up criminals and calling himself Batman... he can act the part, but he has to look the part too.

Doom's face is iconic. In the comics, when he obtains godhood, it's almost revered like any other religious symbol.
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Beyond that, Doctor Doom is simply one of the coolest-looking villains ever created. He SHOULD look the part. His design is so solid that it's barely changed at all since he was created. It's just... iconic. His look is as important as his actions.
 
This trailer decreased my interest. Seeing the plot seems to be about them working heavily with the military is boring. This lacks the heart of Captain America and the nuance of Iron man and Suicide Squad. The original trailer I felt like I didn't see the whole movie while in this one they blew their load.

At least Doom looks good.
 
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