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[DarkParadise]

Imagine being in an environment that can cool down 45C to 7C in five minutes.

Is his room -20C?

 

[smallpotatosan]

Quite a difference. I mean $10 more or whatever and if you're into the genre, why not?

nextgen is all about how clean the graphics is. i love it.

 

[hemo memo]

Imagine using this fake insider as a source. This is pretty much an Italian Tidux.

 

[Kagey K]

Imagine using this fake insider as a source. This is pretty much an Italian Tidux.

The only thing more embarrassing would be going and making a Youtube video about it.

 

[SportsFan581]

I won't pile on the guy. Did he have pictures with his XSX, seems like those that received them were supposed to promote they had them in some way.

 

[smallpotatosan]

i think some xbox fans now know how ps fans felt about FUD.

but even at 67c at the vent, it is within the normal working temperature for those silicons. xbox will be fine. it also helps keep your room warm. we need it for the winter. one catch is whether xbox will do thermal throttling. i doubt it will otherwise MS cannot say xsx has a fixed frequency anymore.

on a different topic, i feel the fixed frequency is quite a waste nowadays. Is it really fixed?

 

[SSfox]

am I missing something? This trailer wasn’t that impressive graphically

Work-in-Progress (WIP) Definition With Examples

A work-in-progress (WIP) is a partially finished good awaiting completion and includes such costs as overhead, labor, and raw materials.

www.investopedia.com

 

[Great Hair]

Quite a difference. I mean $10 more or whatever and if you're into the genre, why not?

That Steph Curry 3 pointer from the top of the key looks like a real broadcast in comparison.

Damn that's a pretty good difference especially for a sports game where they usually look the same year to year

I havent played 2K for a few years but I remember the models looking more like the left on PS4

Have they dumbed down the models on PS4 and just kept them for next gen?

Yoboman
You are correct!
WE ALL got bamboozled.

 

[Anchovie123]

Thats all were getting today? A 3D audio blog post?

 

[ethomaz]

He basically made up the numbers, was called out and now come with a new excuse for the numbers.

There is no way anybody will say 7 / 44 to mean the decrease instead the 27 / 80.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Yoboman
You are correct!
WE ALL got bamboozled.

Well good thing I don't buy sports games anyway but that's a pretty shitty thing to do.

 

[mikefrails]

Really makes you think

 

[Jose92]

Really makes you think

This guy should not be used as source to anything, he is a bad journalist lacking integrity full stop.

Him, Jeff Grubb, Jez cordon shown that they cannot be unbiased and thrown their integrity in the bin.

 

[Handy Fake]

Really makes you think

Makes me think Tom Warren is desperate for that Microsoft job.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

yep.

i remember the PS2 Disc Read Errors. There is no way Sony didnt know about that before launch.

That said, my PC heats up my room whenever I play and this after installing a pretty fancy heatsink on the CPU and three new fans on top of a new cool and quiet case.

if you want high end gaming, thats the price you have to pay. I expect the PS5 to be hot too.

I leave my pro about 18 inches from the wall on a stool so it's in open air. Have only blown it out a couple times with compressed air and it works great and quiet (launch day pro). It's pretty high too so dust stays minimal. I think people need to stop putting these things in closed areas where their vent is close to a wall. I saw a guy with a series x and the shelf above it was like an inch away from the top of it where the hot air comes out. Seems like they're asking for heat problems

 

[PaintTinJr]

yep.

i remember the PS2 Disc Read Errors. There is no way Sony didnt know about that before launch.

That said, my PC heats up my room whenever I play and this after installing a pretty fancy heatsink on the CPU and three new fans on top of a new cool and quiet case.

if you want high end gaming, thats the price you have to pay. I expect the PS5 to be hot too.

I'm not sure it can run hot and have the SSD/IO complex performance - that has effectively been verified by Epic with UE5's demo.

The Road to PS5 explanation about constant boost clocking screams less energy wasted as heat IMHO, because the clocking is designed to consume excess power - from the constant supplied wattage - on narrower occupancy workloads. Even smartshift is designed to do the same on the CPU side - by pushing excess power to the GPU to drive the GPU clock marginally higher to absorb more of that energy as work done.

in the simple equations of:

TotalPower = PowerForWorkdone + PowerWastedAsHeat

It stands to reason that minimising the PowerWastedAsHeat for a config, increasing the volume over which the heat is dissipated, and doubled your cooling solution - say with a heatsink on both sides of the APU - allows you to have a super powerful config, that is quiet and as a modest temperature too.

 

[mckmas8808]

Yoboman
You are correct!
WE ALL got bamboozled.

What are these comparisons supposed to be showing?

 

[Entroyp]

Really makes you think

He’s mad Sony doesn’t bribe journalists for positive coverage.

Plus we all know he’s a fanboy.

 

[Yoboman]

Yoboman
You are correct!
WE ALL got bamboozled.

Can't trust those sneaky fucks at 2k for a minute

 

[Great Hair]

What are these comparisons supposed to be showing?

yoboman was right. the ps4 footage vs ps5 is fake. the ps4 never looked that "dull", hence my screenies. BESIDES!!! we suppose to get this quality of next gen
edit: removed videos

 

[Dibils2k]

people still on the heat thing its amazing how far people take things, proves to people here that its not just one side who spreads FUD

also it all started from out of context clip?


EDIT: realized i said "people" alot

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Really makes you think

Oh so if it's a big corporation they can't make mistakes. Good. Cause I totally thought the cell processor, RROD, Virtual Boy, Sega Saturn surprise release, and that book thing on ps3 existed.

 

[DarkParadise]

I won't pile on the guy. Did he have pictures with his XSX, seems like those that received them were supposed to promote they had them in some way.

Well, someone quoted him and i don't know why anyone would use him as a legit source lmfao. But just wanted to acknowledge you that he actually fixed his ridiculous claim before.

 

[Insane Metal]

FACTS!

Yup. I mean Nvidia has a freaking >30TF GPU yet DLSS is used pretty much everywhere to get better results. That's the right way forward.

 

[Jose92]

yoboman was right. the ps4 footage vs ps5 is fake. the ps4 never looked that "dull", hence my screenies. BESIDES!!! we suppose to get this quality of next gen

That animation fluidity is insane we could only hope next gen sport games reach such fluidity.

 

[Nowcry]

Yup. I mean Nvidia has a freaking >30TF GPU yet DLSS is used pretty much everywhere to get better results. That's the right way forward.

Totally agree,

Shaders will be used to decompress via GPU and match the PS5 IO by brute force. Which possibly occupies about 2 Tflops approximately.

They will improve the geometry and textures up to 8k as we saw in the UE5 on PS5. And I think that's what they will do. Trying to keep 4k barely but DLSS will save the 4k 60 fps on PC. (3080 20 gb or 3090).

However, it will be a very big change both playable, argumentative and graphically. By removing many limitations with the old IO.

 

[DarkParadise]

 

[Nowcry]

I think he are confusing Liquid Metal refrigeration design seen in sony's patents with liquid refrigeration. I would love to see that assembled, it would be a very elegant and innovative solution that could improve many devices in the future.

But they are nothing alike. Liquid Metal is the interface between the heatsink and the SOC. However the cooling solution will still be heatsink + air. In front of liquid refrigeration.

They are not the same thing.

 

[SSfox]

Really makes you think

And here's come the White Knight.

 

[ethomaz]

Ohhhhh damage control in bargain phase.

 

[thelastword]

i think some xbox fans now know how ps fans felt about FUD.

but even at 67c at the vent, it is within the normal working temperature for those silicons. xbox will be fine. it also helps keep your room warm. we need it for the winter. one catch is whether xbox will do thermal throttling. i doubt it will otherwise MS cannot say xsx has a fixed frequency anymore.

on a different topic, i feel the fixed frequency is quite a waste nowadays. Is it really fixed?

So that's that fixed frequency everybody was beating their chest about......So you are going to play a BC game or an indie that can give you 4k 60fps with half the GPU power and half the CPU power, but you will keep your XBOX at max clocks just for shits and giggles.....or to boast about max clocks online, silly wars.....Yet the detriment was always more consistent heat and power consumption, without the box really needing to burn all that energy....

 

[Hendrick's]

This guy is an idiot.

 

[bitbydeath]

yeah, this thing was done way back in December when Phil said he took it home. Then DF and others literally picked it apart and put it back together in March. These are the final units and there is not a goddamn thing they can do to fix it other than changing the vapor chamber cooling system or changing the fans.

And lets not forget that they have only been running backward compatibility games on it that are not using the full power of the GPU or CPU. if i had to guess they are running at half power.

I also find it funny that after literally a year of rumors about the PS5 running hot, its actually the xbox series x. First it was no RT and now PS5 has more games with RT and MS is literally shipping DMCV with no RT. Then PS5 being RDNA 1.0 and then we find out the XSX GPU architecture is literally identical to the 5700xt. These guys project more than Trump.

Karmas a bitch.

 

[Entroyp]

This guy is an idiot.

X2. I can’t stand reading this guy’s tweets. I whist I could filter them out of my tweeter feed. Such a doofus.

 

[DeadOblivion78]

How did this moron come to the conclusion of a console using water cooling? That's not a reasonable solution for a console cooling system in the first place.

 

[Imtjnotu]

you know the damage control is in full effect when you have to bring another system into the conversation

 

[DarkParadise]

Does this guy live in his own bubble and why the hell does he have so many followers lmfao.

 

[Doncabesa]

Are you guys still banging on about the exhaust fan of a strong pc venting out heat properly? Both systems are going to vent a lot of heat, they're high powered and compact.

 

[Insane Metal]

Rogame teasing some nice performance from RDNA2. He's not saying anything any sources told him, but it makes perfect sense tbh:

 

[MasterCornholio]

Rogame teasing some nice performance from RDNA2. He's not saying anything any sources told him, but it makes perfect sense tbh:

That's the card that some people are saying the PS5 is similar to. Not that I think the PS5 matches a 3070 btw.

 

[saintjules]

He basically made up the numbers, was called out and now come with a new excuse for the numbers.

There is no way anybody will say 7 / 44 to mean the decrease instead the 27 / 80.

That dude...now he's got over 10K followers. Nearly 7000 since the PS5 June event. Like Ants to a Colony.

 

[TKOFromTokyo]

I’ve already lost interest in the next gen launches. I cancelled my XSX preorder and will do the same with my PS5 preorder. I’m content catching up on my backlog and waiting a year or two to see which console suits me best. I had more fun playing Super Mario Bros. 35 than I’ve had with any PS4 games this generation.

 

[mejin]

@sircaw

 

[Insane Metal]

I'm convinced at this point that there's double fans on PS5. I imagine it's something like this:

 

[MasterCornholio]

Pretty popular dish where I used to live.

Basically it's an oven baked fish covered in rock salt. And when it's done cooking the salt forms a hard later so you have to break it off. I usually liked mixing the salt with fresh herbs because that gives the fish a wonderful aroma.

 

[ipukespiders]

Thats all were getting today? A 3D audio blog post?

 

[DeadOblivion78]

I'm convinced at this point that there's double fans on PS5. I imagine it's something like this:

You think the PS5 has enough room for 140mm fans or even 200mm? They move a shit ton of air and make less noise.

 

[Insane Metal]

You think the PS5 has enough room for 140mm fans or even 200mm? They move a shit ton of air and make less noise.

Absolutely, for 140mm at least.

 

[Yoboman]

Grubb simping so hard he'll break a record

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I'm convinced at this point that there's double fans on PS5. I imagine it's something like this:

I've been thinking twin fans for months and this huge 8K image from 4gamers points to this being the case. Both sides between the central black section are identical (click pic to enlarge):

https://www.4gamer.net/games/990/G999027/20201002016/SS/004.jpg