Nickolaidas
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So, will the PS5 have better framerates on BC PS4 games which run with uncapped framerate (i.e. Bloodborne) without the need for a patch?
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Ah, damn, I forgot about that one!
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TherapistGaymer
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My favorite post of the day!Yes a console using liquid metal and other interesting things to be seen should have a video. But Alex seems to imply because they haven't had one they are less interested.
SONY DIDN'T SEND US A PS5 SO WERE NOT DOING A VIDEO.
kyliethicc
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Yes, uncapped games should be boosted with no patch.
But sadly Bloodborne is capped at 30 FPS. It even has no PS4 Pro version either. It's FPS will likely suck same as always until Sony pay Bluepoint to remaster it lol.
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Yes it will do. I don't know what the cap was on Bloodbourne was.
I didn't know that Bloodbourne had a capped frame rate so that won't do unless it gets a patch. Patches come in different forms.
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Moridianae
Member
In terms of that person seeing the UI, I don't really know who they are.
The UI, PS Now, PS Store and any PS+ adjustments have to be coming out very soon. We hit the 30 day marker on Monday...not a lot of time left.
The UI, PS Now, PS Store and any PS+ adjustments have to be coming out very soon. We hit the 30 day marker on Monday...not a lot of time left.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Typical DF BS, now one of the most infamous games in history, AC Unity, running at 60fps is somehow interesting. Seems too dry and they're trying to make shit smell good. Glad more people are getting it and calling them out.
No freebies from Sony.
Wow, all that praise about AC Unity and it was 900p@60fps!
Insane Metal
Member
thurnishaleygw
Member
What a fucking take, Alex. Very nice.I just dont get Alex to him testing a last gen 5 year old game in BC mode is more intersting than talking about the tear down of a new console that is just weird.
I understand they have already committed to releasing these videos, but his response is just baffling comes across a bit snobbish. Like this video was 100% fluff, anyway i am sorry for the rant.
First of all, I'll be the first to say that Unity running at 60fps is amazing news, as I thoroughly enjoyed the setting of the game, but pretty much stopped playing because of the bugs and janky frames. So, Richard releasing that video? Amazing, kudos to him and I'm happy with that.
Now, the "rather uninteresting" PS5 video has more than 7 million views already, so, if a good reason to prioritize content is saying that that very same content is something "people actually care about", do the fucking math, Alex, mate. I don't keep count on how many Xbox videos they do versus PS videos, and I think looking at it like that is not necessarily the right way, but, the disdain with which he dismissed the idea of providing content to people that are so obviously, with statistics in hand, eager to consume it and know just a bit more about a platform, goes to show his equity and how profesional he is.
Seriously, is not even the fact that they're not releasing a video about it, I think that's perfectly fine, it's the fucking disrespect towards people excited for PS5. Some fans are more worthy of content than others, apparently. His attitude and words are saying exactly that.
Disgraceful.
And I stated many times, I have no issue with Digital Foundry as a whole, I watch their videos and Richard, John and Thomas, whatever their biases, do good work and are often informative and nice to hear. But this guy, seriously, I don't understand his fucking problem.
Edit: And besides what I already stated, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe having liquid metal as a stock cooling solution on a piece of hardware mass produced on the volume PS5 is going to be produced is a first, so, as tech guys, are they not interested in something like that? I find it odd. But that's beside the point, as I said, my main issue is not with DF not releasing a video, is the disdain on Alex's words. Everyone, Xbox fans or PS fans, deserve respect, and this guy clearly seems uninterested in such a thing.
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One of my questions is whether ps now has ps5 games at launch and who is actually providing the infrastructure?
Insane Metal
Member
Hey don't be so harsh, that is WAY more interesting than a new console teardown showing a brand new cooling system with liquid metal!Wow, all that praise about AC Unity and it was 900p@60fps!
Oh wait...
Wraith Phantom
Member
Thats what the patent showed. I always pictured PS4 Ui+Netflix UI+Stadia quick jump in features.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Its backward compatibility, as opposed to its resolution and number of supported games is immense.Wow, all that praise about AC Unity and it was 900p@60fps!
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Bloodborne running at 60 fps on a hacked PS4 Pro.
If it can run at 60 fps on a 4 tflops gpu with jaguar cores then it can easily run at 120 fps on a 10 tflops gpu with zen 2 cores.
This is extremely disappointing to see Sony completely ignore this fan favorite game for an entire generation. With next gen coming up, it should've been Sony's priority to create an internal team for enhanced BC. 120 fps is amazing and every 30 fps PS4 game should be able to hit 120 fps on the PS5. I get that they want to focus more on next gen, and demon souls is an example of that, but I was really hoping boost mode would be a bit more extensive this time around, letting us uncap the framerates and really go wild above and beyond 60 fps.
If it can run at 60 fps on a 4 tflops gpu with jaguar cores then it can easily run at 120 fps on a 10 tflops gpu with zen 2 cores.
This is extremely disappointing to see Sony completely ignore this fan favorite game for an entire generation. With next gen coming up, it should've been Sony's priority to create an internal team for enhanced BC. 120 fps is amazing and every 30 fps PS4 game should be able to hit 120 fps on the PS5. I get that they want to focus more on next gen, and demon souls is an example of that, but I was really hoping boost mode would be a bit more extensive this time around, letting us uncap the framerates and really go wild above and beyond 60 fps.
Tripolygon
Banned
Correct, before optimization, compression, compiling, games are terabyte size.
Man, GPU's generate and saturate that bandwidth to the max. If games aren't using the game files as "tools" to build worlds via small code files, games should be in terabytes, instead of gigabytes.
If I'm wrong,Tripolygon @geordiemp and the rest could help here.
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Insane Metal
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Maybe they're doing all that with BC because they know there won't be games to show after launch.
/s
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah, rather uninteresting is typical of Alex... trashing the ps5 any chance he gets. DF are good people, but this guy just cant help himself.
Their response in the livestream mere hours after the teardown went live was a lot more sympathetic. Richard explained how he was in a middle of a video on the xsx and while he could just drop it and work on the ps5 video, it would cost him a day just to switch projects and the video wouldnt be out fast anyway.
this comment from Alex is far more inflammatory than John and richard's on why they werent gonna do a video on the teardown right away.
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
It would be nice to see somthing else than BC games before launch...Just for changing.
Gudji
Member
Huh, we've already seen the UI. The russian leak is legit, it's simply not a finalized version.
The functionality is the most exciting thing though.
Dibils2k
Member
all russian leak showed was the boot up, was there a new one?
Gudji
Member
There's some pics there.
Rumour: PS5 UI Leak Shows Boot Sequence, 664GB Usable Storage
But legitimacy up for debate
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Sounds it’s going to be this patent design
Is This Our First Glimpse of PS5's User Interface?
Patent potentially reveals new details
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Which ironically matches the rumored Activision employee leak
Artist from Activision leaks details about PS5 UI (4D themes, play music through controller)
Source: Originally posted and deleted from Reddit (see post #15 for more info/archived link) Reporter: https://techdator.net/ps5-leaks-reveal-users-can-play-music-from-their-dualsense-controllers/ Details capped: A “Peek on hover” option is available to check what your friends are playing...
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Deleted member 775630
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Like Alex explained, Richard is only human and has x-amount of time per day. He was working on another video.
Just because you get devices, dev interviews, doesn't mean you are automatically biased. Do they create more articles on Microsoft products? Sure, they have way more information on this. But again that doesn't mean they are biased when it comes to their analysis.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
tbh, i think sony missed a trick here by not sending a ps5 to pc focused channels like Linus, Jayz two cents and gamernexus. they have almost 20 million subscribers between them and they know about liquid metal cooling than DF who has never really done a ps4 cooling video. in fact, gamernexus knew about PS5 using liquid metal cooling months ago.
It's a missed opportunity not trying to reach an audience you are effectively courting by releasing horizon on pc.
kyliethicc
Member
He's PCMR and mad that the PS5 has some cool new tech. Like when Sweeney Epic guy was saying PC needs to catch up to PS5 I/O. Plus its got high quality exclusive games he can't play, etc. Pretty obvious he just genuinely dislikes the PS4/5, and doesn't even pretend to hide it.
And he's an Nvidia Intel guy too, so he seem annoyed seeing an AMD powered $400 console that can do real time HWRT. Must make him think "wtf did I spend $1200 on that 2080 Ti for?" Less special if the console can do it too right?
Hence why he was the one saying PS5 can't do HWRT and no way PS5 SSD is faster than PC etc. He shits on PS5 games for being "30 FPS" but they of course have 60 FPS modes, and simultaneously will say Forza at 30 FPS cinematic looks so good. He does his usual super nit picky 800% zoom on PS5 games, and says "no its just SSR" despite the devs saying its RT, on and on.
Handy Fake
Member
And he has a face like a woman's shoe.
ToadMan
Member
An NDA is a contract. NDA's typically are used to control business sensitive information.
Beyond that there is physical hardware being sent to YouTube marketers and gaming journalism websites. What happens to the hardware will also be included in the contractual arrangement - the hardware is (presumably) not a gift from MS, it is a loaned item.
Those contracts will exist in some written form for sure. As it happens though, even if they didn't, there would be still the implied contract based on the sending of a piece of hardware which has a value, as does the traffic a marketer receives for producing content about that hardware.
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Loxus
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Put that on hold, BC ain't that interesting.
It's been two days since the teardown.
The internals are more interesting that a 5 year old game running in BC mode.
DF finally can discuss the chip for piece sake.
Wraith Phantom
Member
It's just a UI. It will be quality of life fixes. Focus will be on speed In> out game. In>out chat. streaming ,settings. Just better than what ps4 has.
This isn't going to appeal to non PS guys.
FALCON_KICK
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thurnishaleygw
Member
Yeah, it's definitely nothing new and nothing that he even tries to hide, but it's baffling to me. I seriously cannot fathom the idea of behaving myself like that on work related stuff.
AeneaGames
Member
Ohhh! I must have missed the user interface reveal where they showed the settings for this!
Can you point me to the video or article with screenshots of the UI?
In other words, you're assuming things here. I know it was like this on the Pro but there they didn't test all the games, now they seem to have. Since without testing them all they can't possibly know which games don't work. The list did not have a caveat that said the list could grow. This means they have also tested them in PS5 boost mode, would be silly to test them all and not try it in that mode first. Which in turn means they have a list of games they know work in what mode so we never have to change that setting ourselves.
On the Pro we basically had to find out ourselves which games worked or not so it's different now.
ToadMan
Member
I'm afraid it does. Signing a legally binding agreement between two parties is one of the clearest indicators of bias.
It's why people prefer game reviews from those who clearly state they didn't receive any free or promotional incentives. It's why game reviewers often do point out when they receive free stuff for the purpose of review in the interest of full disclosure. Receiving preferential items in order to generate revenue implies a bias.
The way this is being presented by yourself and others implies MS just selected a random bunch of gamers and sent them consoles with no controls whatsoever - "hey here's an xsex - use it anyway you like". That's clearly false based on the content we have to look at - very short game snippets of BC games with accompanying fluff pieces.
When I can watch a twitch stream or long form Youtube vid of someone using the Xsex (or PS5) to do the things a normal user would do, I'll be content the material is a true representation of the end user experience.
What we have from MS or Sony at this stage is not that at all - and both companies have produced effectively the same level of marketing content albeit via different methods.
kyliethicc
Member
I cannot fathom being German and calling myself "Dictator" either. He's even got the haircut and the master race mindset too lol
SportsFan581
Member
Regarding DF and the PS5 teardown, what do you think DF could have brought to the table there? Post the same clip but read the subtitles, make some unfounded assumptions based on things they can't test real-world yet? Aren't there already like 10m channels trying to cash grab on the popularity of the PS5 video? Why do you need another one?
That's in contrast to the Unity demo where they have direct access to something that most YT channels don't have access to yet.
That's in contrast to the Unity demo where they have direct access to something that most YT channels don't have access to yet.
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SEGAvangelist
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They should have made a 30 min video gushing over its incredible craftsmanship, including the revolutionary stand, genius screw compartment, record size heatsink, and cutting edge liquid metal solution.
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kyliethicc
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Deleted member 775630
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BC ain't that interesting for you, you mean. Because a lot of people do find it interesting.
Microsoft decides what people can discuss when it comes to their console (before launch). It's all part of a markering strategy. But that doesn't mean that those pieces they can discuss aren't worth discussing, or can't be analyzed on a more technical level.
SportsFan581
Member
I know you're being sarcastic, but how could they even do that well. It would be a strange running commentary, "look at that big shiny heatsink, I bet it's heavy, maybe it's heavy, maybe it's not". If they had a unit they could answer some specific questions at least, like say what the dimensions are of the expansion bay. They could test fit some of the current drives, not for being compatible, but just to see how big of a heatsink you could fit in there. Will any of the drives with fans fit, etc.
SportsFan581
Member
Well, duh, there's carpet so no need.
Instead of that little ditty, why not tell us what type of video you think they could have made, just to keep the discussion going.
Flippo
Neo Member
They could have talked about the impact of cooling, the slot with multiple nvme drive sizes, the first time use of liquid metal in a consumer product in mass production, the size of the die/soc (they did it with the Xbox die). But most of all, it would be an easy video everybody wants to watch. Would give a lot of clicks, because the original teardown already reached 7M views.
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Loxus
Member
Digital Foundry already did many videos about Assassin’s Creed Unity,
Only main point is it now runs at 60fps.
That's an article, not a 14 min video.
Gamerguy84
Member
SEGAvangelist
Member
No. DF must bow down to the hardware wizards at Sony. If you haven't heard, Sony is a HARDWARE company and has the resources of the infinite IQ level of the legendary Mark Cerny, creator of the timeless classic Knack.
SportsFan581
Member
Fair enough. The talk of liquid metal cooling would probably be best on a channel that specializes in high performance PC work. They could at least demonstrate the difference liquid metal makes on different CPUs, GPUs, etc.
But reasonable, no doubt.
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Deleted member 775630
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Can they themselves decide what content they want to create? If there content is shit, then don't follow them, don't give them clicks. Follow someone else you do think creates proper videos about content you care about.
Captain Ashley
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Didn't they sign a deal with Microsoft for Azure? But that doesn't include PS5 hardware.
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