Zato
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Ah yes, "Lucky Sony" TM.
3 100million plus selling consoles ...... simply luck.
Hell their biggest flop is Xbox's biggest hit.
Lucked out indeed.
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Ah yes, "Lucky Sony" TM.
3 100million plus selling consoles ...... simply luck.
Hell their biggest flop is Xbox's biggest hit.
Lucked out indeed.
Gamernyc78
Banned
But but but I was told he has no narrative to prop up Microsoft
thnks for this, this shit is golden.
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Not really because they would have just used less for the OS & the difference would have been like 3GB for games instead of 5GB for games
devs would have worked around it ,
Zato
Banned
It's not accusations, it's facts. Richard played down every advantage in the run up and how wrong he was.
Old Empire.
Member
Microsoft advertised its Xbox One console as an entertainment system in 2013. They erroneously assumed households would purchase the console to watch TV and play games and not be bothered much about slight power differences. Sony was shrewd and when devs were able to push higher pixel counts on PS4, they went all out to assert their system was better. It turned out to be a PR nightmare as devs were also battling to make the resolution higher than 720p (Xbox One) at the start of the gen. Microsoft just forgets most console owners are children and young adults and they will receive reactions from their friends about graphics, price and other features and compare. Sony just had the right choice to build the PS4 for gamers.
That's correct about the memory, OS would also adopt some memory from the 4 gigs. Less memory notably will change the graphic textures and environments a game will have. Less memory means less opportunity to make a game stand out.
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Aceofspades
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I wouldn't go that high, my estimate for both will be in the range 12-13TF
Psyrgery ES
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899 500W here I come
ANIMAL1975
Member
Just your opinion or something else?
Zato
Banned
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
16tf for a competitively price console is more like a wish list.
FranXico
Member
16TF is ridiculous IMHO. Anywhere between 11 to 13TF, though, sounds feasible to me.
sonomamashine
Member
All im gonna say is____________luuul.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Damn I see the tflops are going up with every passing day
What are these predictions based off? Just a guess? Or some source?
FranXico
Member
It's just wishful thinking. That's a $1000 console, even if they managed to make it work.Damn I see the tflops are going up with every passing day
What are these predictions based off? Just a guess? Or some source?
ANIMAL1975
Member
Just wanted to see what he would say, we at #Team14.2 are pretty much set in stone and confortable with where we are.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Nahhhh tht power difference wasnt the reason although the messaging did sway hardcores. Again for the millionth time, upon ps3's release, at hundreds more, Inferior multiplats, online going down for months the ppl spoke and ps3 still outsold Xbox 360 worlddwide. Sony's mindshare is crazy. These results would have happened no matter what given Sony's competitive price with the ps4. Some fans are really praying Xbox is more powerful but tht won't change the fact tht Playstation will continue dominating. Ppl are too invested in their first parties and their hardware.
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TBiddy
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Great strawman. Congratulations.
Gamernyc78
Banned
OH the schilling continues
Directx12 all over again. Sony also has some of the best software ppl and engineers in the world, for every thing a company puts out Sony will have their own version. These posts are deadass fanboy schilling at its best.They already have the ninjas doing their work. The PS5 reveal spec meltdowns and damage control will be crazy. "they are stronger, but this system is more balanced and has...." smfh
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Von Hugh
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Key word here:
I just want Sony to pull ahead in raw performance instead of sad excuses like "but muh DirectX12, ESRAM, VRS, RT" and wink faces.
alabtrosMyster
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I just finished reading the post on page 362 with the gray images and leaked ps5 specs. I didn't know about the ratio, I assume there is some serious research behind this choice (I.E. the benefits far outweigh any possible disadvantage) ... that leaves you 8GB just for the GPU and 8GB + 4GB (games + OS) for the CPU, the PS4 has 8GB combined, most current GPUs have 8GB or less (however the Radeon 7 has 16, the Geforce 2080 super only has 8GB in its current incarnation).
I certainly think it looks better than a single bank of 16GB as is rumored for the top of the line Xbox P0rn (SeX get it, this is a very lame naming strategy, but it seems to stick... I get why) series in therms of potential performance, however the xbox may end up with better textures in some instances (it also depends how fast assets can be swapped in and out of memory, which is where I expect the SSD could make a huge difference).
Isn't that the average? I mean, this is how long the SeX seems to be anyways, with all those venting holes at the top, I can't imagine that they did not even put a decently sized one hidden underneath the console so that people can show their love of the machine properly.
Kdad
Member
InflationDamn I see the tflops are going up with every passing day
What are these predictions based off? Just a guess? Or some source?
Fake
Gold Member
Is he saying Microsoft invented directx?
Zato
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Key word here:
I just want Sony to pull ahead in raw performance instead of sad excuses like "but muh DirectX12, ESRAM, VRS, RT" and wink faces.
Ah yes, Variable Rate Shading that technology not exclusive to MS.
I wonder how they will compete.
Heard this same MS tech advantage based on their PC heritage.
Sure as shit helped the Xbox One.
DeepEnigma
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Dabaus
Banned
One thing that really sticks out to me is that around e3 of 2018 we got a few articles from actual tech sites that said Sony had a hand in helping the design of Navi. It was even speculated that navi would be exclusive to sony for a time. No one has disputed that sony had a helping hand in navi but obviously it being exclusive wasnt true. So here's my question, IF sony actually did have a hand in developing navi, why do some people assume they are going to get the crappy GPU, or will have a significantly weaker one? What benefits would sony have IF they really did help with the development of NAVI? Would they get a discount on mass purchasing chips, exclusive features or first dibs on new technologies?
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Gamernyc78
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Thy nervous thts when all this pr bs starts poppin up. Just premptive damage control.
Old Empire.
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You forgetting here Sony was dominant for a decade before Xbox even joined the console race. Sony did not impose a charge to use online services. So Xbox 360 achievement can't be denied. In financial terms 360 performed better for Microsoft than PS3 worked for Sony.. Difference this gen Sony also charges for online play, so they're now making considerably higher profits because their userbase accepts to pay to play online. In reality Xbox won last gen and Sony won this gen. Will Sony keep the momentum going time will tell!
Gamernyc78
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I'm not forgetting any of tht I am just showing tht Sony's mindshare is too strong. Whatever ground Microsoft garnered last Gen thy squandered this gen. They had some advantages last Gen thy no longer had this gen nor it seems will have next Gen e.g. Better online, multiplats, better price etc
Lets not forget ps3 released over a year and a half later last Gen and still caught up in sales.
Agnostic2020
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lol sounds like shit is about to hit the fan on the power and they want to control the narrative so they don’t look bad.sounds like xcloud and dgpu all over again
alabtrosMyster
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Where is mister x media when you need him the most?OH the schilling continues
The thing is that depending on the memory setup, CPU and GPU cache sizes/ frequencies in each console they could end up having different performance profiles (One machine could perform better in CPU stress cases, the other in GPU stress cases... also, a memory bandwidth or latency advantage could ).
Also, Sony has proven themselves much better than MS in therms of extremely optimized/low level APIs as far as I can tell.
Another point, doesn't the PS4 PRO have some sort of VBR implemented to facilitate stable performance in the VR titles? Maybe I am mixing things up with some other features. Either way, I suspect VBR is a hardware feature that MS decided to expose through their API, now they tout is as something "special" to them, just like they did with mega textures early in the xbox one days... and they claim some magic asset streaming techniques, just like they did to explain the small esram size the last time around.
How much time will it take for people to differentiate PR from a complete specs sheet?
alabtrosMyster
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I suspect that if they release a truly compelling product they can get some serious traction, they would have with the One (if it made sense as a product).... But as of now, it seems way too bulky and big for a lot of places (I like how it looks, but it will take up quite a bit of room).
Ms also needs to step up their game in all regions, Sony did not make a name by not caring about the local markets, they bought studios in all major markets of the world early on, and they made sure they were culturally relevant. All I see from MS is some lame excuses for their sales team not doing their job (maybe it's a ressource problem, but there is no way people would not buy a good product "just because").
Old Empire.
Member
Yes Microsoft messed up and Sony seized advantage of that. It not like Microsoft released a console comparable in 2013 and consumers decided to just go with Sony instead. They went with Sony as the PS4 was more powerful and better economical with the price. Will Microsoft ever get back those customers that shifted over is unknown? I agree Sony would have to mess up for people to leave the Playstation. It too early to tell what will happen in 2020.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
My card (2080ti) does 14.2tf and retails for over a grand, but people in here think the PS5 will be £400 and 16tf.
I’m loving all this.
I’m loving all this.
Agnostic2020
Member
I highly doubt anyone thinks ps5 can pass 13 tf NaviMy card (2080ti) does 14.2tf and retails for over a grand, but people in here think the PS5 will be £400 and 16tf.
I’m loving all this.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
My card (2080ti) does 14.2tf and retails for over a grand, but people in here think the PS5 will be £400 and 16tf.
I’m loving all this.
Where? Who said this? Quote them.
Oh, and that nVidia tax tho.
Rossco EZ
Member
this guy lol but he’s been smoking something
Edit: it won’t allow me to add his quote on my phone but right at the top of this page someone said 16TF haha
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Dabaus
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It doesnt need to be 13, or even 12 for that matter. All ps5 has to do is be within 10-11 teraflops, have good exclusive software, and be 399. If they hit those goals then it really doesnt matter what microsft does. Its game over.
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SmokSmog
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With 7nm Euv + only 1575mhz and aggressively low voltage 0.85V
80cus gpu would draw no more than desktop RX 5700xt
Inside info lol
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Kdad
Member
He was taking the piss.this guy lol but he’s been smoking something
Edit: it won’t allow me to add his quote on my phone but right at the top of this page someone said 16TF haha
Zato
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My card (2080ti) does 14.2tf and retails for over a grand, but people in here think the PS5 will be £400 and 16tf.
I’m loving all this.
It's funnier you took it seriously.
Rossco EZ
Member
simply just telling the guy where the 16TF came from
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Fine, since we're posting prediction specs...
PS5:
**12.8-13 TFLOPS NAVI RDNA
**8 core/16 thread Ryzen
**ARM or RISC-V based coprocessor (background OS tasks)
**20GB GDDR6 via 10x 32-bit 2GB chips, 2Ghz chip clock (max clock 2GHz) , 320-bit bus, 640 GB/s bandwidth
**1TB Samsung SSD via NVMe over PCIe 4.0 @ 4GB/s (x2 PCIe 4.0 lanes) (replaceable)
**64-96GB PCM-based (i.e Optane DC Persistent Memory) memory cache @ ~ 25GB/s (non-replaceable, DRAM-style memory controller)
(speeds of around DDR4 RAM, read and write performance/alterability of DRAM, permanent storage abilities of NAND)
**$499.99 MSRP
XSEX:
**12.1-12.5 TFLOPS NAVI RDNA
**8 core/16 thread Ryzen
**ARM or RISC-V based coprocessor (background OS tasks)
**24GB GDDR6 via 12x 32-bit 2GB chips, 1.5 Ghz chip clock, 384-bit bus, 576 GB/s bandwidth
**1TB Samsung SSD via NVMe over PCIe 4.0 @ 2GB/s (x1 PCIe 4.0 lane) - 4GB/s (x2 PCIe 4.0 lanes) (replaceable)
**64-128GB PCM-based (i.e Optane DC Persistent Memory) memory cache @ ~ 25GB/s (non-replaceable, DRAM-style memory controller)
(speeds of around DDR4 RAM, read and write performance/alterability of DRAM, permanent storage abilities of NAND)
**499.99 MSRP
PS5:
**12.8-13 TFLOPS NAVI RDNA
**8 core/16 thread Ryzen
**ARM or RISC-V based coprocessor (background OS tasks)
**20GB GDDR6 via 10x 32-bit 2GB chips, 2Ghz chip clock (max clock 2GHz) , 320-bit bus, 640 GB/s bandwidth
**1TB Samsung SSD via NVMe over PCIe 4.0 @ 4GB/s (x2 PCIe 4.0 lanes) (replaceable)
**64-96GB PCM-based (i.e Optane DC Persistent Memory) memory cache @ ~ 25GB/s (non-replaceable, DRAM-style memory controller)
(speeds of around DDR4 RAM, read and write performance/alterability of DRAM, permanent storage abilities of NAND)
**$499.99 MSRP
XSEX:
**12.1-12.5 TFLOPS NAVI RDNA
**8 core/16 thread Ryzen
**ARM or RISC-V based coprocessor (background OS tasks)
**24GB GDDR6 via 12x 32-bit 2GB chips, 1.5 Ghz chip clock, 384-bit bus, 576 GB/s bandwidth
**1TB Samsung SSD via NVMe over PCIe 4.0 @ 2GB/s (x1 PCIe 4.0 lane) - 4GB/s (x2 PCIe 4.0 lanes) (replaceable)
**64-128GB PCM-based (i.e Optane DC Persistent Memory) memory cache @ ~ 25GB/s (non-replaceable, DRAM-style memory controller)
(speeds of around DDR4 RAM, read and write performance/alterability of DRAM, permanent storage abilities of NAND)
**499.99 MSRP
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Von Hugh
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Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys.
vpance
Member
lol sounds like shit is about to hit the fan on the power and they want to control the narrative so they don’t look bad.sounds like xcloud and dgpu all over again
Very optimistic about PS5 power now
MilkyJoe
Member
And you think the XBox X is a big case...
On that one, people laughing at the Size of series X had better pray the PS5 is the same, as physics is dictating that power there...
Kdad
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DeepEnigma
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I have been saying all along that 30x15x15 (12x6x6) is not that big. It just looks plain.
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