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HAL-01
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Is the UI resolution a factor.
The boot from standby measure is moot due to the timer already running before he pressed any buttons, though the Xbox does seem pretty instant. PS5 is 9-10 seconds at most, which seems fine. There’s also 2 different settings for rest mode on ps5, a super low power one and one where extra functions remain active, would be nice to know which one it was
demigod
Member
What's the fucking point of load comparisons if its not 1 to 1 besides Witcher 3?
Kaiserstark
Member
Apparently his numbers are kind of strange, get2sammyb said that :
I get about 5 seconds from Rest Mode to the User Login screen. Then another 3 seconds from User Login to a suspended game. Didn't watch his video so not sure what he's doing differently to me, but those are the numbers I've been getting.
More in my review here: https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/11/ps5_review_-_the_future_of_playstation#loading-times
PS5 review: The joy of discovery and a real feel of next-gen
In this PS5 review you'll find out how fast games load, how impressive the DualSense is, the way PS4 games perform, and if the console feels next-gen.
www.usgamer.net
Did the Xbox QR feature either set expectations higher for reviewers so the Switcher kinda feels 'lame'?
xacto
Member
Sinthor
Gold Member
So I think we need to see "native" next gen games to really tell what's going on here, but this is surprising. I mean, we KNOW that the PS5 has roughly double the performance capability of the XSX when it comes to the internal drive. Did Sony have to gimp this due to thermals or something? Or is this more a matter of BC and BC related issues?
icerock
Member
Honestly, PS5 BC being this good and Series X loading times coming so close (even quicker in some cases) is one hell of a twist given all the chatter around both. I have given a lot of shit to Sony for what they are doing Spider-Man Remastered, so not having to fork out more money to play existing games at 60fps is a relief.
Strong reviews for Miles and Astrobot too, Sony need to fund a full blown Mario esque world game with Astrobot. And, with Nathan Drake retired, make Astrobot the official PlayStation Mascot.
Strong reviews for Miles and Astrobot too, Sony need to fund a full blown Mario esque world game with Astrobot. And, with Nathan Drake retired, make Astrobot the official PlayStation Mascot.
LiquidRex
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Tbh its only natural that many would expect games to load faster on the PS5, being how vocal so many have been on the SSD/IO of the PS5.
So I guess Oodle/Kraken optimisation is yet to be implemented on current gen games running on the PS5, if that happens at all.
I'm hoping we hear more on the Geometry Engine and how powerful it truly is, plus other potential RDNA 3 features.
So I guess Oodle/Kraken optimisation is yet to be implemented on current gen games running on the PS5, if that happens at all.
I'm hoping we hear more on the Geometry Engine and how powerful it truly is, plus other potential RDNA 3 features.
BC games use the CPU to load from SSD, and it’s pretty probable games unpatched Sony is using similar frequencies for CPU and GPU to PS4 and Pro
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ethomaz
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I guess you are right about the expectations.
But there is no way to PS5 BC to be faster loading running at PS4 / PS4 Pro BC modes... they run at original clocks... it will be bottleneck by GPU before even reach 10% of the SSD speeds.
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pasterpl
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xbsex bc loads faster in almost all tests we have seen, so it is not that xbsex is coming close and it is quicker in some cases, it is actually faster in most cases, in addition most of xbsex bc games run at higher resolution (due to it running xbonex versions)
aliadiere25
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Xbox was always going to program the BC games much better. They've always had it whilst Sony hasn't had it in years. So, it's hardly surprising about the load times..... even though, most are pretty close. I still think Sony hasn't got a proper handle on the BC aspect just yet, but they will with future patches.
I'm not sure that most of the BC games have been fully optimized for the PS5 yet, so we may get faster loading times in the future.
I'm not sure that most of the BC games have been fully optimized for the PS5 yet, so we may get faster loading times in the future.
HAL-01
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We’ve already seen native ps5 games going from boot to in-game in 7-8 seconds, I’d put it down to some quirk with the way bc games are handled
Dibils2k
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this is honestly surprising, but it must be reiterated that it is BC games
i am now really interested to see loading times on 3rd party games that are built with next gen in mind. Series X matching PS5 speeds would really make alot of people look silly
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Pretty close, missed out on PA being called. but we are getting there.
MastaKiiLA
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Load times and framerates on BC isn't the benchmark for next-gen consoles. Wait for Dirt 5, and other next-gen games, if you're actually interested in comparing what the 2 boxes can do. Otherwise, expect inconsistent results, as BC games aren't built for the new drives. The PS5 has more raw speed, and not by a small margin. So it taking longer to load anything is all the evidence you need to know that the comparison is faulty. The question isn't really if the PS5 can load faster, it's how much faster. Will it be an appreciable amount for anyone to care? I don't know. I never bought an N64, because CD load times didn't bother me, compared to carts. I will say, though, that the Miles Morales video from DF shows impressive loads, and I hope that Sony's 1st party studios can maintain some of the practices shown, such as skippable splash screens, and super-low load times.
I'd say that we need to wait for launch day game and OS patches to be sure of the final real level of performance here.
There are so many different games and consoles out there with different patch updates. ACG was talking about this a couple days ago.
FunkMiller
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I’m going to pay attention to all this Ps5 goodness properly at some point soon, but right now I’m too busy being all silly and emotional about Biden winning.
What a day.
What a day.
onesvenus
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GoPats1
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Important note from Polygons review. "The PlayStation 4 titles I tested didn’t have any of the next-gen patches Sony and other developers have promised for launch, so there weren’t any additional graphical enhancements that capitalized on the new hardware. They ran like native PS4 games "
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
So for BC
Performance goes to PS5
Load times go to the XSX
Lol wow
Performance goes to PS5
Load times go to the XSX
Lol wow
pasterpl
Member
doesnt xbsex render the bc titles in higher resolution (Xbox one versions vs PS4 pro versions)
onesvenus
Member
And resolution also goes to the XSX.
I don't think it's fair to compare performance on two different resolutions.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Sure but performance still goes to the PS5 regardless of the reason
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
We can compare performance. Regardless of why its happening its still happening
Crazychipmunx
Member
Pretty impressive overall, better than I thought but what happened here?
DF Theorise the gpu clock is being limited to ps4 base clock. In the patched version both run at 30 fps
Logically a 3070 could be more performant than 3080 if the 3080 needs to do raytracing.
When is the destiny patch? I would like to see the before and after results, it could flip in favour to the ps5.
GoPats1
Neo Member
This has been known for months...
Lysandros
Member
There is something very wrong with the load times for BC games of PS5 right now, that must be said. While a cross gen/open world game like Spiderman loads in sub 2 seconds from menu to gameplay, BC games don't seem to use even the brute speed difference of the SSD. I expect an explanation and an update pretty soon.
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Crazychipmunx
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Quick bit of speculation.
The ps5 has a new storage system that no longer uses folders. Therefore for backwards compatible games the ps5 has to emulate the ps4 file system. Could explain load times for back compatible games. We will have to wait and see for true next gen games
The ps5 has a new storage system that no longer uses folders. Therefore for backwards compatible games the ps5 has to emulate the ps4 file system. Could explain load times for back compatible games. We will have to wait and see for true next gen games
LucidFlux
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December 8th
And also important to note that the OS is probably going to be continued to be patched up to and on launch day. Same for games.
We need to remember that we may not be seeing final loading performance levels at this point. Everyone's doing their reviews now (well in the last few days/week) but once the consoles are actually out additional patches may decrease the loading times on both or one of them.
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Jose92
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IGN: PS5 games can be stored on an external HDD but need to be copied back to the SSD to play (Update: Currently you can not.)
https://www.ign.com/articles/playstation-5-review PS5 games can be stored on an external HDD but need to be copied back to the SSD to play, though the near-instantaneous loading times for PS5 games make this palatable. In another news gamespot jumped the gun edit: Seems to be some outlets...
You can but it seems it is not available in the pre release firmware.
pasterpl
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i think hitman showed that 1440p on ps5 resulted in locked 60fps vs xbsex 52-60fps at native 4K, but there are games where FPS is other way around while resolution still favours xbsex, so would be careful with statements that are definitive
Andodalf
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XSX has a 1440p mode, so exact same performance, but with Auto HDR and higher AF
Ass of Can Whooping
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The majority of games struggling to hit locked 60fps on the SX hit that performance on the PS5 so yeah i'd say that's pretty definite
onesvenus
Member
Well yeah, but it's not an apples to apples comparison.
At least it shouldn't be used to infer that a platform is more powerful than the other.
Sinthor
Gold Member
According to the DF video, the PS5 is outputting HDR by default as long as the monitor/TV supports it. So these games will be HDR as well.
best case scenario imo
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
I don't think the XSX I/O solution is superior either just because its doing better in load times
It is what it is though
LucidFlux
Member
We saw the initial round of Xbox Series X load times and while they were impressive they still didn't match up with the raw speeds of their SSD. I think these unpatched games are still heavily relying in the CPU for decompression as well as aiding the initial load, acting as the bottleneck here.
With the Series X having a 300mhz cpu advantage (without SMT) that could easily be accounting for the differences we're seeing here.
I expect both machines load times to drastically improve on next-gen games built to leverage their SSDs and I/O (look at MM on the PS5). That's when we'll better see and compare the actual capabilities of both Series X and PS5 respective SSDs and what impact CPU will still have then.
Nowcry
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Ass of Can Whooping
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