This is something I wish some would take into account. This quite possibly is something as simple as in order for an older game (BC games) to fully account the PS5 SSD or IO there needs to be changes in the coding, which would explain why new games already use it. Meanwhile on the other hand Microsoft took into account making BC games use it out of the box in terms of pulling and mimicking the data transfer methods. None of this is bad, or anything. Just 2 different potential priorities. It can only get better on those games if those companies decide they wanna improve them.
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Nickolaidas
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Oh for Fred Fuck's sake ...
HAS NO ONE BOTHERED TO TEST FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE ON THE PS5!?!?!?
Aparently, each game is different. A lot of PS4 games will need patches to take advantage of that SSD ...
I must admit I did NOT expect MS to one-up Sony on that regard ... (BC games load speed)
The UI is amazing! I love how the Game Library is sorted out between platforms! REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE OUR PS3 GAMES INCLUDED IN THERE ...
HAS NO ONE BOTHERED TO TEST FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE ON THE PS5!?!?!?
Aparently, each game is different. A lot of PS4 games will need patches to take advantage of that SSD ...
I must admit I did NOT expect MS to one-up Sony on that regard ... (BC games load speed)
The UI is amazing! I love how the Game Library is sorted out between platforms! REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE OUR PS3 GAMES INCLUDED IN THERE ...
MasterCornholio
Member
Very interesting the results with load times on BC. Didn't expect the XSX to have the edge. Now I'm wondering what next gen games are going to be like.
Nickolaidas
Member
FTFY
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I was looking at that extended storage screen. The last sentence seems to hint at formatting a drive for PS5. I'm wondering if someone were to put a USB drive on there, format for PS5 and try to store just PS5 games on it, would it then do just that.
The rest of the sentences are talking about taking your existing stored games and hooking up the drive to PS5 to play the PS4 games. Separate content type, separate drive?
The rest of the sentences are talking about taking your existing stored games and hooking up the drive to PS5 to play the PS4 games. Separate content type, separate drive?
THEAP99
Banned
disappointing to be honest. come on.PS4 vs PS5 load times via Kotaku
my hype has decreased for next gen big time
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Faithless83
Banned
Easy Allies did. Same blurry door, sadly. Hopefully it will get a patch.
Doncabesa
Member
I'd imagine having Cyberpunk park directly on your release window is good incentive to delay, along with a 2nd wave of covid hitting Europe hard.
vpance
Member
PT cannot be transferred to PS5 anymore. It did work recently until it was flagged for non-compatibility.
https://www.polygon.com/2020/11/6/21549228/pt-ps5-backward-compatible-playable-playstation-5
https://www.polygon.com/2020/11/6/21549228/pt-ps5-backward-compatible-playable-playstation-5
saintjules
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Beaten
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Mahavastu
Member
something doesn't add up and I also would like to know what the problem is...
I mean adding a slow Sata SSD to the PS4 cut the loading time roundabout in half in most cases.
If you look at the PS5 loading times, it is only 2-3 times faster then a PS4 with HDD, so it would not be that much faster then a PS4 with SSD, despite a way faster SSD, way faster decompression block, way faster CPU, way faster RAM.
And I don't buy the "games have to be optimised for the SSD" argument, the loading should still be way faster then it is now.
I am quite puzzled at the moment. Maybe it is something that will be fixed with new firmware?
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ArcaneNLSC
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kyliethicc
Member
It clearly has some kind of multi game resume from the footage I've seen today. They swap back and forth from games with no warning of one game being closed or potential loss of save data.
Seems hard to believe that the each game is being fully shutdown and reopened every time with no warning that the user could lose progress.
But if I'm wrong I'm wrong and I'll accept that.
beck_
Member
Seems there may be an issue with load times on PS5 for PS4 games. See this TLOU2 example..
PS5 takes 50 seconds longer then PS4 which of course should never happen. Not sure if this is intermittent or only happens for this TLOU2 level but could indicate a PS5 issue that may be able to get a firmware update to address.
I'm still hoping TLOU2 is going to get a free PS5 patch for 60FPS, they could also improve load times with this patch.
PS5 takes 50 seconds longer then PS4 which of course should never happen. Not sure if this is intermittent or only happens for this TLOU2 level but could indicate a PS5 issue that may be able to get a firmware update to address.
I'm still hoping TLOU2 is going to get a free PS5 patch for 60FPS, they could also improve load times with this patch.
Ancient Gamer
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Faithless83
Banned
Oh this is getting ridiculous.
kyliethicc
Member
PS5 is auto recording last 1 hour of gameplay and has built in options to let users save clips of various sizes from the Create button pop up menu.
You can select in settings the default save clip for the double tap shortcut, but now we can save various sized clips always.
For up to 1 hour of video, I kinda doubt that its 4K HDR video but he didn't say quality.
You can select in settings the default save clip for the double tap shortcut, but now we can save various sized clips always.
For up to 1 hour of video, I kinda doubt that its 4K HDR video but he didn't say quality.
Metroiddarks
Member
Well Cyberpunk will be release the same day as them.... was a good decision to escape from that.
Now we have to wait more games are dev using the new SSD instead only crossgen titles.
inflation
Member
Should've written it in yellow background
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Load times and console boot times seem to be all over the place. Not sure what’s up. Maybe a combination of different console firmwares, game patches, and different levels loaded for bc titles? Dave Lee’s boot up times are vastly different than Tom Warren’s:
And Greg Miller’s video shows a variety of rest mode features/customizations on PS5:
And Greg Miller’s video shows a variety of rest mode features/customizations on PS5:
There are contradictory reports on the PS5 loading time for TLOU2. I've seen it quoted at being considerably shorter than PS4.
I think this clearly shows that different people are testing the same games in different ways and on PS5 units with different game/OS patches applied. Until we get all that cleared up and squared away it's impossible to make accurate comparisons.
Krisprolls
Banned
SSD loading times are incredible on Spiderman (only a few seconds) so it's a lot of noise for nothing. It's either a bug on BC games or a restriction Sony put for BC games to avoid breaking the game. It may be patched later.
What matters is it works perfectly fine on next gen games. Also, on next gen multiplatform games, PS5 will load the game notably faster. Then again, XSX is pretty fast too on loading times, so it's not really game changing.
The real point of the faster PS5 SSD is being able to stream higher quality assets, but you won't see it before probably 1 or 2 years.
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kyliethicc
Member
KNACK IN 60 FPS BABY CERNY DID IT
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Like I said the other day; the game is running right there in the background.. it's readily apparent in that UX that you are running a game, and thus it doesn't necessarily have to ask you.
And it's possible it's dependent on what you are doing in the game as I said the other day.
But unless Sony is using a hypervisor there is little chance of any sort of quick resume happening.
Metroiddarks
Member
If the PS4 pro can compete in a cold boot without problem against both new gen consoles only using a traditional sata SSDLoad times and console boot times seem to be all over the place. Not sure what’s up. Maybe a combination of different console firmwares, game patches, and different levels loaded for bc titles? Dave Lee’s boot up times are vastly different than Tom Warren’s:
And Greg Miller’s video shows a variety of rest mode features/customizations on PS5:
then both need work in its respective software.
MasterCornholio
Member
Looking back at Sonys marketing they usually hyped up the SSD for next gen games. I'm guessing those extremely fast load times will occur with those titles. Now while BC does have improvements it's possible that the loads won't match next gen games.
I've read here that Spiderman through BC takes alot longer to load than the Remastered version. Maybe this is proof of that?
Great Hair
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THEAP99
Banned
So xbox continues to struggle to get newly awaited games and the ps5 lacks good performance. Man, the start of this next generation is going to be rocky
Faithless83
Banned
Care to elaborate the "ps5 lacks good performance"?
devilNprada
Member
PS4 vs PS5 load times via Kotaku
Those load times are still too long...
I was really hoping under 20 seconds for a game like Odyssey....
Mr Moose
Member
Scared of Bugsnax, makes sense to move the date.
Razvedka
Banned
None of these titles are 'optimized' to work with the new architectures in the XSX and PS5. That's why all loading gains are marginal.
I agree, it'd be cool to just throw in Ghost of Tsushima or Master Chief Collection and just have it explode into the menu instantly. But that sort of thing requires extra work on the part of developers for older titles, and they're probably too busy working on the new stuff to spend the manpower to do that.
Edit: Although in MCC's case that sort of thing may be in the works given they're supposed to be readying it for a proper next-gen experience (my guess is PC settings maximum or something).
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Nickolaidas
Member
Framerate?
Faithless83
Banned
I think they said it runs the same, so likely same framerate. It was locked on pro, right? I'm a base ps4 peasant.
Great Hair
Banned
They used different save games, save states to conduct these tests. Except for Witcher 3 and Yakuza (PS5 was 50 to 150% faster)
Krisprolls
Banned
Obviously Spiderman case reflects there's some kind of bug only present in BC loading times OR Sony simply made the choice to cut SSD speed on BC because it was too fast and it was breaking some games (very possible).
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LucidFlux
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We saw there was more to it when the initial XsX load time comparisons came out. While improved, the load times weren't matching up with what we expected from the raw speeds of the Xbox SSD.
One thing to point out is that the BC games haven't been patched to take advantage of the new compression techniques available on both PS5/XsX. While a smaller % difference than the raw throughput will be, this is an area not taken advantage of in BC games.
Another factor is how much of current gen decompression relied on the CPU vs the zlib decompression blocks current gen? Was it all done by the blocks? Does this require a patch to rework file look up tables, as well as fully leverage the new decompression blocks?
Just guesses. We do know that games with next-gen patches load about as fast as we expected so I don't believe its a system firmware issue but rather a game by game change that needs to be implemented.
ResilientBanana
Member
The more I see the PS5 itself, the more I want to wait for the slim. The controller is pretty, but that beast is ugly as fuck.
Krisprolls
Banned
It's either bugged or restricted by Sony on BC. We're not even day 1 after all.
Look at next gen times, they're stellar and that's the same SSD at work.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Nice; I have gigabit and PS4 is always depressingly slow to download.
This is actually one of the best pieces of news I've seen lol
And install/copy is a separate step.. just downloading also takes forever on PS4.
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Nickolaidas
Member
I think it will be ironic that older and far less demanding games will take a minute to load, while newer and more impressive games will take 5 seconds.
Bittermich
Banned
How is this even possible?
FunkMiller
Member
Quite a big deal considering the SSD size.
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