Shmunter
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If the game pulls solid 30 on pro, it would pull solid 60 on PS5 due to the 2.4x GPU increase
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3liteDragon
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FrankWza
Member
He says that SE spent hundreds of millions of dollars on Outriders? Did I hear that right? @2:30
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Rudius
Member
In therms of results, PS5 is better. The load times in Miles and Demons Souls are the same as Mega or N64 games (Miles loads as fast as Sonic), but the games are not limited in space for their time. Devs often had to sacrifice content to fit on cartridges. PS5 SSD is like a Neo Geo: fast and with plenty of space.
Riky
$MSFT
Such as?
Physiognomonics
Member
Not if it's somehow I/O limited.
Riky
$MSFT
Mean frame rate 59.94fps on Series X and 59.71 on Series S, impressive without even a patch.
ethomaz
Banned
He read GAF.
One of the biggest AAA productions this year after it got announced for Gamepass.
ethomaz
Banned
About the same without the Cartridge limitations.
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Is that comparing the series s to the series x/PS5 not the ps4 Pro or one x as abel did?
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Oh I read their comment completely wrong
I thought they were just talking about the Series X.
Shmunter
Member
Yep, fair enough
LucidFlux
Member
That sounds more like a guess on his part, "something they easily spent hundreds of millions of dollars on".
With a quick google search you can see that only 3 games have cost 200+ million dollars and just over a dozen cost 100+, nearly all of which were much larger in scope and quality than Outriders. Can it still be AAA though?
The generally accepted definition of AAA is a game released from a major publisher with higher development and marketing costs and thus brings an expectation of high quality. It's really a loose definition if you think about it. If Outriders cost somewhere near 100m including marketing then I'd consider it a AAA release. Doesn't mean the quality is on par with the best AAA releases as of late, but quality is only an expectation of a game with that kind of budget, it's not a guarantee.
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FrankWza
Member
I would classify it as a ridiculous statement and the exit marker for his video
Riky
$MSFT
? Irrelevant.
I want the receipts on "tonnes" of games that the PS4 Pro version runs better than the Series S version.
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Yeah I thought they were talking about the Series X, I haven't had my morning cuppa yet
Maybe some BC games? Which won't be because the Pro is more powerful, it'll be because Series S inherits the One S versions.
Basically yeah, those would be the only cases.Yeah I thought they were talking about the Series X, I haven't had my morning cuppa yet
Maybe some BC games? Which won't be because the Pro is more powerful, it'll be because Series S inherits the One S versions.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
I just thought he was joking. The XSS is clearly more powerful than than any console last gen. CPU miles better and GPU has graphic features that don't exist last generation.
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Shmunter
Member
Seemingly there are a lot of people that prefer resolution over framerate, especially on Xbox. One X better choice for those inclined.
Riky
$MSFT
Yeah I thought they were talking about the Series X, I haven't had my morning cuppa yet
Maybe some BC games? Which won't be because the Pro is more powerful, it'll be because Series S inherits the One S versions.
Those would be Xbox One games not Series S games.
By that yardstick Series S has double the framerate of PS5 on Warzone, Rocket League etc.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Nioh 2 is up there with Sackboy and Spiderman as a showcase for Activity Cards
Such an amazing feature
Such an amazing feature
abel empire
Banned
Hitman 3 for instance, series s can't emulate series x in every game even despite being rdna 2 and having same features as series x the low 10gb of memory and lower bandwidth matter more in graphics than the fast cpu it's why xbox one x games have better graphical settings than series s at higher resolutions. The trick of the series s that's fooling people is the higher frame rates that's just the cpu working you can get higher frame rates at lower resolutions but not better or similar graphical settings as series x cause graphics is ram, flops and bandwidth limited.
And developers have said this for months but people keep denying it that 10gb low bandwidth and 4 teraflops on series s was always a bottleneck. The quality of games will suffer not just resolution, you need more assets per frame, more gpu physics/ particles, cleaner raytracing, all this thing said are vram demands.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Nah. The 1X is a dead console and it's slight res bump is not worth the poor CPU performance and the lack of future releases. If you are big into 4K get the XSX. It will have better performance and resolution.
The XSS is $200 less than the XSX and the lower graphic settings are a feature not a bug. The RAM complaints are moot if developers aren't using the memory saving features inherent to the console. There has been no proof the XSS is holding back development of other consoles.
abel empire
Banned
The console has no memory saving features it's microsoft who are lying fans with stupid sampler feedback marketing ive said this for weeks now sampler feedback doesn't save memory it's just virtual texturing made easier it's existed since Xbox 360.
The developers know this and it's why they've complained about the memory do you think that devs are so stupid that they can't use sampler feedback nope it because just marketing palaver fooling fanatics, and sampler feedback or virtual texturing is already being used in 90 percentage of the games out there for fuks sake gpus do more than just textures, every graphical setting is consuming memory. You don't magically turn a game made for series x to consume 13.5gb of ram to just consume 8gb by magically lowering the resolution and using some magic ram savings. What are people smoking. This reminds me of soft ram. There's no memory multipliers that's just ridiculous marketing. And it's why Xbox one x keeps having better graphical settings than series s it's just mathematics 1gb is 1gb it can never be 2.
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Superayate
Member
Honestly, you are tiring to write totally stupid messages and toss bullshit all the time about Series consoles and shitting on them and its users. That start to really be annoying to see you writing the same stupid things in every (xbox or not) topics.
Riky
$MSFT
You said Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, let's see the receipts.
Dibils2k
Member
1080p? i am pretty sure its running the OneX version (4k) and making it 60fs on XSX
abel empire
Banned
What's tiring isn't my facts it's the constant lies and excuses from series fanatics especially after developers have talked about their bottlenecks for months. If anything is irritating you it's facts. Just say you hate to hear facts and you like to live in ur lies utopia
ethomaz
Banned
FallOut 4 BC is 1080p in 60fps mode on Series X.
The 30fps mode is 4k.
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Superayate
Member
It seems that's currently not the case with FPS boost (with the mod it's seems to work with One X version boosted).
abel empire
Banned
Superayate
Member
No, I don't care about your facts that came 99% of the time from your ass, what I hate is reading always the same retarded messages all along the days from the same member in every topics (or as answer of messages) linked to Series consoles.
abel empire
Banned
As I said earlier what you hate is facts and it doesn't matter what consoles I talk about, I say facts unlike you who Is here all day and in 24/7 all u talk about is lies and asses!
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Superayate
Member
Riky
$MSFT
That's your "tonnes" of games
You do know that the Series S version holds 60fps whilst the PS4 Pro drops frequently? Even in that one example.
So you were caught lying again, there are not "tonnes" of games where PS4 Pro outperforms Series S, even one is a stretch.
abel empire
Banned
I showed an example of one there's tonnes of games you can go check and if you ready my comments before I said series s is better at frame rates because of its cpu but bad at graphics.That's your "tonnes" of games
You do know that the Series S version holds 60fps whilst the PS4 Pro drops frequently? Even in that one example.
So you were caught lying again, there are not "tonnes" of games where PS4 Pro outperforms Series S, even one is a stretch.
Riky
$MSFT
You're the one making the claim not me, show us these "tonnes" of games or stop with the FUD.
ethomaz
Banned
I had the same impression yesterday reading the thread...
"Where is the hint? Emotes become hints now?"
But I avoid to post in Xbox threads because they did not receive options very well.
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abel empire
Banned
I ain't got time for this bullshit again last time I wasted my time showing you defects in. Series consoles texture streaming and it became a whole campaign about tools, lazy devs, HDR and sdr. And everything else. So I don't have time to prove an obvious thing again.so you take ur time go through digital foundry videos and when u have had enough we can chat about something else. Cause it's like ur asking me to prove why water is wet.
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mejin
Member
Grubb, Corden, etc are basically trolling the xbox community.
There is no doubt we are seeing great news coming to xbox, but they extrapolate everything. Lots of BS are mixed with the real stuff.
LucidFlux
Member
You are looking at Series S in isolation when Series X also employs these features. It would be one thing if Series S alone could stretch its limited RAM further but Series X is also stretching it's much faster and larger RAM pool which means it will always be an issue for Series S.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
I just realized the ps5 doesn't have a browser, that is kind of an oversight, no?
Is it just a piracy avoidance strategy?
Is it just a piracy avoidance strategy?
DarkMage619
$MSFT
The XSX because of it's larger memory pool can get away with fewer optimizations. If those features were deployed on the XSX it would only mean higher graphical fidelity and even better effects. Things fitting for a more expensive and graphically capable box. There has been no evidence that the XSX is 'stretching' its memory pool especially since the PS5 has the same size memory.
FranXico
Member
The browser is in there, but not directly accessible by the end user.
It's to avoid exploits, yes.
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Zoro7
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Oversight is a bit strong. Never used the browser in previous generations. Always seemed pointless to me considering everyone has a smart or a laptop etc...
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