Chris_Rivera
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That‘s subjective. The game also hasn’t been released? That said, just about every console war argument hinges on a subjective take or misinformation.
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Neo Blaster
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The guy is literally looking at the damn game every day, how could he be setting unrealistic expectations?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Because shit's subjective. Some people will forever stay unimpressed by the graphics just because of the art style.
For the record, I find Rift Apart way more impressive than the Demon's Souls remake.
Neo Blaster
Member
My point is that he is in a position where he can most definitely compare the new game to the old one and tell what has improved.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Yeah man I see you have forgotten your predictions about the XSS performance in that other thread are now acting like you made no predictions at all. That's fine. You've never made a point in good faith.
My prediction is that the XSS will get full support this generation and will get improved performance as developers actually use the features of the device just like every other console ever. It is nothing like Kinect which is absolutely ridiculous. I hope you'll be ok when MS has significant success this generation XSS included.
ethomaz
Banned
Seems like the happened with TFs the PS5 is more efficient in the use of 825GB than the 1TB in others consoles.
dcmk7
Banned
This should be very easy for you to prove.
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Shmunter
Member
Lame
FranXico
Member
azertydu91
Hard to Kill
What are you talking about?I don't mean it in a negative way, I just don't know what you are talking about.
Darius87
Member
XSX ssd speed ms specifies as 2.4 GB/s raw and 4.8GB/s compressed that's exactly x2 ratio
PS5 ssd speed sony specifies as 5.5 GB/s raw and from 8GB/s to 9GB/s compressed that's is from x1.46 to x1.64 ratio.
Physiognomonics
Member
One is giving theoretical max numbers (that you'll never actually reach in a real game), the other is giving real numbers routinely reached in real conditions.
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skit_data
Member
Thats an average, the theoretical peak is higher. Oodle texture increases it even further, at least theoretically.
PS5 IO System to Be 'Supercharged' by Oodle Texture, Bandwidth Goes Up to 17.38GB/s
Sony has licensed the Oodle Texture technology, 'further superchanging' the PS5 IO system with a peak bandwidth of up to 17.38GB/s.
wccftech.com
Edit: Might be worth noting that since this article was written, Epic has aquired RAD and further statements have been made by Sweeney and UE devs on the topic of how closely Sony worked with them when designing the PS5
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Shmunter
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Little bitch blue balled the fan base
LOL, must not bite
KingT731
Member
Averages and small numbers. It's just math.
Mr Moose
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LiquidRex
Member
I wonder how much involvement Sony had at the re-establishment of Kojima Productions in December 2015.Me, trying to work out when Kojima Productions was created.
LiquidRex
Member
Many PS Vita Devs Cancel Projects After Sudden PS Store Closure
Others rushing to finish titles in time
www.pushsquare.com
Sony could have done better.
Darius87
Member
i though that but ms doesn't mention up to 4.8GB/s we should consider same average ratio as PS5 that would give 3.5GB/s to 3.9GB/s that would be more realistic scenario i guess.
Elog
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It is the system latency that determines how far from the theoretical peak a real world scenario with multiple files end up. I would expect the RW scenario to have a lower ratio on XSX than on the PS5 due to the higher latency. If you look at the infamous Linus Tech video on SSD in a PC, he only reaches even close to theoretical peak under LINUX (since the Windows file system is ancient and slow due to BC requirements) and using one massive file (i.e. to get rid of latency). When he worked with multiple small files and with the Windows file system the actual read speed was only a fraction of that due to system latency challenges.
Latency is the real secret sauce since you want to load individual texture files instantly into (V)RAM - that is the RW scenario that will truly impact how games look.
FatKingBallman
Banned
PS5 compression ratio which you've mentioned is without Oodle texture, just Kraken. With Oodle Texture is from 15 and above ( and around average around 13-15)
Well, i suppose you know that theoretical max on XSX is around 6.
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Jemm
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For Xbox the theoretical max is 6GB/s and 4.8GB/s is the average with compression.
ethomaz
Banned
There is no Vita projects lolMany PS Vita Devs Cancel Projects After Sudden PS Store Closure
Others rushing to finish titles in time
Sony could have done better.
It doesn't receive a game in ages.
C'mon.... I have a Vita and I'm using it as a YouTuber device for my son when I want to watch TV.
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Darius87
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i know but that's just for textures i'm talking in general compressing multiple types of data which you can't really compress at x2 ratio loseless.
XSX also woudl give better ratio then x2 for texture compression because it have SFS.
Darius87
Member
don't you find that weird XSX can compress x2 ratio and PS5 can't why is that?
ethomaz
Banned
PS5
RAW: 5.5GB/s
Average compressed with Kraken Lossless: 9GB/S
Theoretical max compressed: ~22GB/s
Series X
RAW: 2.4GB/s
Average compressed BCPack Loosy: 4.8GB/s
Theoretical max compressed: 6GB/s
Because MS average is using loosy compression with BCPack like for example MP3 that has loss of quality.
PS5 average is Kraken... lossless without any loss of quality.
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FatKingBallman
Banned
It can't. Because around 6 is already max
FatKingBallman
Banned
BCpack + general compression is already included in 4.8 GB/s.
PS5 with Oodle can go up to 3.3x or something.
Anyway
| Zip | 1.64 to 1 |
| Kraken | 1.82 to 1 |
| Zip + Oodle Texture | 2.69 to 1 |
| Kraken + Oodle Texture | 3.16 to 1 |
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azertydu91
Hard to Kill
Some people answered beter than I would but yeah I recall sony saying up to something like 20Gb/s in optimal conditions, so more than 2x.
Thirty7ven
Banned
What’s weird is you’re taking these theoretical numbers at face value and forgetting Oodle texture wasn’t accounted for in the numbers shared at Road to PS5.
Basically the same CPU and a whole lot less decompression HW. Dems the breaks.
Mr Moose
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skit_data
Member
It could potentially use a compression ratio of 3.16 to 1
Source: https://cbloomrants.blogspot.com/2020/09/how-oodle-kraken-and-oodle-texture.html?m=1
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Setsuna Mudou
Member
No, actually there are games still being released there regularly. Mostly indy afaik, but that is even more painful on the publishers supporting it.
I really hope Sony will keep indefinite access for people to download previously purchased games, i would rage if not.
Thirty7ven
Banned
It could potentially use a compression ratio of 3.16 to 1
Source: https://cbloomrants.blogspot.com/2020/09/how-oodle-kraken-and-oodle-texture.html?m=1
There it is.
It will be a crazy generation for data management. A lot of people being hired atm.
ethomaz
Banned
People makes some confusion because MS marketing.
BC Pack uses loosy algorithms... there are loss of quality in the final result (the texture will lose quality).
Kraken uses lossless algorithms... there no loss of quality in the final result (the texture quality will be the same)
Kraken should be compared with Zlib on Series X.
BC Pack probably with Oodle on PS5 (that is a guess).
The 4.8GB/s avg. on Series X is using BCPack that have a better compression ration because it discard data making the data less accurate.
The 9GB/s avg. on PS5 is using Kraken that will maintain the exactly original quality from beguiling to end... so it has lower compression ratio.
If you guys wants to understand better it is the same case for MP3 vs FLAC.
The comparison was always dumb to me because Kraken and BCPack have different purposes.
BCPack can be used only in assets that can lose quality (mainly textures).
Kraken can be used to everything.
You won't use BCPack for a game binary for example because after the decompression the binary won't work because it lose part of it data but you can compress a game binary with Kraken.
That is a dumb example because game binaries is not that big to need compression but it gives you the ideia.
BC Pack uses loosy algorithms... there are loss of quality in the final result (the texture will lose quality).
Kraken uses lossless algorithms... there no loss of quality in the final result (the texture quality will be the same)
Kraken should be compared with Zlib on Series X.
BC Pack probably with Oodle on PS5 (that is a guess).
The 4.8GB/s avg. on Series X is using BCPack that have a better compression ration because it discard data making the data less accurate.
The 9GB/s avg. on PS5 is using Kraken that will maintain the exactly original quality from beguiling to end... so it has lower compression ratio.
If you guys wants to understand better it is the same case for MP3 vs FLAC.
The comparison was always dumb to me because Kraken and BCPack have different purposes.
BCPack can be used only in assets that can lose quality (mainly textures).
Kraken can be used to everything.
You won't use BCPack for a game binary for example because after the decompression the binary won't work because it lose part of it data but you can compress a game binary with Kraken.
That is a dumb example because game binaries is not that big to need compression but it gives you the ideia.
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skit_data
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Darius87
Member
so XSX 4.8Gb/s figure is general compression(zip?) + BCpack compression? and could reach theoretical max 6GB/s because BCpack can compress over x2 ratio and PS5 8GB/s to 9GB/s figure is just Kraken compression.
so if that's the case:
PS5 should be compared against XSX with Oodie texture comp which is 6GB/s vs 17.38GB/s
without texture comp XSX ??? vs PS5 8-9GB/s.
so if that's the case:
PS5 should be compared against XSX with Oodie texture comp which is 6GB/s vs 17.38GB/s
without texture comp XSX ??? vs PS5 8-9GB/s.
Neo Blaster
Member
Great, now we have teasers for job departures, yaaaay!!!
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Do we know what the internal resolution for the new ratchet game is? Or Miles?
btw, i played this last night and man the lighting is so dull. the ps5 version looks sooo much better thanks to the lighting alone.
Insane Metal
Member
PS5 looks a bit blurry and the bad AF doesn't help. XSX takes this one (BC) again.
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ethomaz
Banned
Can't wait for this
That is the game that dethroned Saint Seiya Awakening as F2P Gatcha King in mobiles.
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