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SLB1904
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Bryank75
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Meh, they could buy TakeTwo and CDPR and I'd still not pay them a cent.
Fake
Gold Member
Until official, could be both possibilities.
Yes. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Especially when they did that very thing for the GPU in the: Xbox original, 360, ps3, PS4, XB1 and XBX all customized, 3rd party customized, GPUs. Oh and GameCube, Dreamcast etc...N64(custom Silicon Graphics anyone) man, again, comprehension is low in on this regard. But I keep seeing post after post #facepalm
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Dim
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You already can have RT with three different ways before RDNA1 era,the problem with RT is you need extra processes power.
Do you think is coincidences both companies aim to transfer data speeds?
AMD in new PCI 4 motherboards have the ability to offer double performance of PCi4
PCI-Express 4.0 Performance Scaling with Radeon RX 5700 XT
PCI-Express 4.0 has been one of the main new features prominently brandished on the product boxes of both the 3rd generation Ryzen desktop processors and Radeon RX 5700 series graphics cards. We examine the performance impact of running these cards on older generations of PCIe.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Sure: https://www.tele.soumu.go.jp/giteki...=413ul&SN=%94%46%8F%D8&LN=2&R1=*****&R2=*****
Also this is from the leaked docs showing the same model number:
Rightisright
Banned
We havent even reached the level of that Sorcerer demo that was done on base PS4.
Mass Shift
Member
Everything your saying is true. It's also true that even biased individuals get tiny bits of valid information. How they choose to color things afterwards is the litmus.
I suspect at least one platform is going to get alot of doom and gloom from now on. Lol
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
Sure, anything can be done, it’d be hella expensive though.
Dim
Banned
AMD already do RT with Radeon cards with Radeon Rays
AMD uses shaders core for RT
A patent application came to light in July 2019, which pointed to AMD utilizing a “hybrid” hardware and software approach to ray tracing. This patent suggests that AMD’s plan for ray tracing involves leveraging bespoke hardware to accelerate it, whilst performing the bulk of the work on more general hardware via software. This, it claims, makes it so that there isn’t too much of a performance hit, without requiring game developers to work with its very specific definition of ray tracing rendering.
3rd way Cloud RT
Just RDNA2 have dedicated cores in GPU for RT as Nvidia have Tensor cores
Reindeer
Member
Maybe not in terms of image quality, but few games came pretty close. Let's also not forget next gen consoles will be at least 8x more powerful than current gen ones.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
Xbox doesnt have anything together at all yet, we giving them praise because they showed a console and a trailer for a game that's not coming out for three years?
Ill start giving them praise when they ellie something compelling worth of purchasing, to start some actual critically acclaimed games for starters.
Dim
Banned
Is just a construction design certification back in December 2015 about Radio wave type, frequency and antenna power not APUSure: https://www.tele.soumu.go.jp/giteki...=413ul&SN=%94%46%8F%D8&LN=2&R1=*****&R2=*****
Also this is from the leaked docs showing the same model number:
Dim
Banned
Shader cores in GPU are hardware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You do know that Sony and MS have both confirmed they’re using hardware acceleration though right?
For that you need Next-Gen RDNA/RDNA2.
Next Gen RDNA in this photo is RDNA2
If you just try to read the pattend maybe you save your self from Ouroboros posts
AMD Files Patent for Hybrid Ray Tracing Solution
AMD's stayed quiet about how it plans to support ray tracing, but a patent application published on June 27 offered a glimpse at what it's been working on.
P.S you already answer to your self about RT needs hardware with your post
divided personality????
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Reindeer
Member
Actually to think about it, Death Stranding looks more impressive in its cutscenes, so does Last of Us 2. There's also Ghost of Tshushima. The image quality is the only point of argument.
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TLZ
Banned
That would either be a great heater or would light my house on fireOne more
BattleScar
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Having hardware RT doesn't automatically mean RDNA2. Features can be backported.
These consoles are semi-custom. Semi means they're leveraging AMDs IP and custom means they're customising it.
How many times do I have to being up the original PS4 offering 4x the number of asynchronous compute engines as Pitcairn, upon which it was based.
How many times do I have to bring up PS4 Pro having 4 more compute units than Polaris 10, upon which it was based, and backporting double-rate FP16 from Vega.
Once again. Ray tracing and VRS doesn't not automatically mean RDNA2.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But it's no certainty. To assume that it is, is faulty logic.
These consoles are semi-custom. Semi means they're leveraging AMDs IP and custom means they're customising it.
How many times do I have to being up the original PS4 offering 4x the number of asynchronous compute engines as Pitcairn, upon which it was based.
How many times do I have to bring up PS4 Pro having 4 more compute units than Polaris 10, upon which it was based, and backporting double-rate FP16 from Vega.
Once again. Ray tracing and VRS doesn't not automatically mean RDNA2.
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But it's no certainty. To assume that it is, is faulty logic.
Gamernyc78
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Fake
Gold Member
Could mean 1.5
Imtjnotu
Member
Not at all.You didn't think Crackdown 3 and Sea of Thieves was a compelling start
Horizon is their go to for me and that's about it.
The First party support from them is the weakest of the big 3 by a large margin
Fake
Gold Member
You seem a bit stressed. Let me help you clear. Until confirmed, can be anything. Can be RDNA 1.0? No, even if was a RDNA 1.0 will be a custom piece and will be called 1.5 because 1.0 don't support RT.
Can be RDNA 2.0? Can as well. Again you believe in what you want. People can choose in what they want to believe as well.
Again, until confirmed, all speculation.
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Dim
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Agree 1000% with you
And from the moment you use Gpu cores as shader core runing Rt pipelines you have actually RT acceleration on GPU
Cerny never say RT cores on GPU ,say support RT acceleration on GPU.
When AMD introduce Radeon Rays talk about built in in hardware,what is built in?????
Radeon-Rays is a GPU intersection acceleration library with basic support for heterogeneous systems
AMD developed Radeon-Rays to help developers get the most out of AMD GPUs and CPU or APUs, as well as save them from maintaining hardware-dependent code. Radeon-Rays exposes a well-defined C++ API for scene construction and performing asynchronous ray intersection queries. The current implementation is based on OpenCL, which means Radeon-Rays supports execution on all platforms conforming to the OpenCL 1.2 standard. It is not limited to AMD hardware or a specific operating system. Radeon-Rays can be easily distributed and through its API helps assure compatibility and best performance across a wide range of hardware platforms.
Most notably, because AMD hardware can already do ray tracing. It showcased professionally-targeted real-time ray tracing in the form of Radeon ProRender four months before Nvidia’s RTX reveal, but we didn’t hear much after that.
Secret sauce is on customizing ,high data transfer,memory bw,and magic tricks on API ,Gpu and PCI 4 with ways a PC with same HW cant achive
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Dim
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Crackdown 3 was a epic failYou didn't think Crackdown 3 and Sea of Thieves was a compelling start
Destruction powered by the cloud
Duh
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
The creators of Forza are thee only studio that was consistent and kept xbox as a brand afloat this generation, and thats a low bar to begin with because I hate racing games and dont play them but I recognize talent when I see it.You didn't think Crackdown 3 and Sea of Thieves was a compelling start
Dim
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Gamernyc78
Banned
I know I was pulling your leg lol
Dim
Banned
I cant confirm anything.
Is pure companies decision if they jump current gen of RDNA 1 and how hard they want push the launch timeline.
Only Sony and MS knows the truth.
I just say the way you think is not valid.
Everybody wish for RDNA 2 but without evidences we are THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Ok what about smart assistants?
I can see the Xbox SeX being a good Google Home/Alexa alternative. Thats only if you can pick between running google assistant on it or Alexa.
Should I stop dreaming?
I can see the Xbox SeX being a good Google Home/Alexa alternative. Thats only if you can pick between running google assistant on it or Alexa.
Should I stop dreaming?
Fake
Gold Member
No. Is Microsoft trying to push AI or deep learning?
TeamGhobad
Banned
phil spencer has said the new console is built for one purpose only and that is to play games. there won't be any snap tv alexa function. thank god.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Shader cores in GPU are hardware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next Gen RDNA in this photo is RDNA2
If you just try to read the pattend maybe you save your self from Ouroboros posts
AMD Files Patent for Hybrid Ray Tracing Solution
AMD's stayed quiet about how it plans to support ray tracing, but a patent application published on June 27 offered a glimpse at what it's been working on.www.tomshardware.com
P.S you already answer to your self about RT needs hardware with your post
divided personality????
Shader cores aren’t in the GPU.
Shader cores are software.
Dim
Banned
-Xbox SEX
-Yes
-Power on my PS5
-Ps5 remote power on done,you are ready to play games
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Hmm yeah. I really liked the "Xbox on", "Xbox record that" and "Xbox play some music on Spotify" functions with Kinect.
Ah well, I guess its not for the majority.
TeamGhobad
Banned
they can do that with a mic and software.
ethomaz
Banned
But these functions needs Kinect?
I mean I can do that with PS4 without any addiction hardware... using the mic that come with the DS4 controller.
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Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Yeah its what I ment when I said the Xbox SeX should have a built in voice assitant. No kinect.
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Dim
Banned
Software use GPU or CPU cores for calculation RT pipelines
For one more time you dont read how hybrid RT works in patent
Marc Cerny says "Ray tracing acceleration in GPU"
AMD says Radeon Rays support are built in in Radeon GPUs
Radeon-Rays is a GPU intersection acceleration library with basic support for heterogeneous systems.
Both talk about RT acceleration in GPU
bitbydeath talking about RDNA2/RTRT based in words of Cerny about Ray tracing acceleration in GPU
Ouroboros effect
TeamGhobad
Banned
just a jack you can put in any mic
RaySoft
Member
Ok, calm down people.
It's not like MS shoved more money at AMD so they got access to their backroom wich contained AMD's full roadmap for the future and MS saw RDNA 2.0 on the chalkboard and ofc said; "We want that!"
Sony on the other hand, with somewhat shallower pockets than MS, only got access to their front desk and after the meeting with the receptionist, ended up shopping RDNA 1.0.
Seriously, both MS and Sony had the same data in the bag after meeting with AMD. In NO WAY would Sony choose an older architecture over the newest available RDNA2. Am I saying that PS5 will be 12TF, on pair with Series X? Hell no, what I AM certain of is that they wouldn't go all-in on an older architecture. If, for some strange reason they are, it will at least be a rly good reason for it.
PS5 will be RDNA2 with GPU TF comparable to the Series X, but with a much better SSD solution. MS have traditionally just used shelfware without much proprietary changes. Sony are more known for tweaking things to their liking (i.e 8 ACE's on PS4 compared to the One's 2)
Both consoles will be great, but I'm afraid the MS fanboys will taste some salty tears come february...
It's not like MS shoved more money at AMD so they got access to their backroom wich contained AMD's full roadmap for the future and MS saw RDNA 2.0 on the chalkboard and ofc said; "We want that!"
Sony on the other hand, with somewhat shallower pockets than MS, only got access to their front desk and after the meeting with the receptionist, ended up shopping RDNA 1.0.
Seriously, both MS and Sony had the same data in the bag after meeting with AMD. In NO WAY would Sony choose an older architecture over the newest available RDNA2. Am I saying that PS5 will be 12TF, on pair with Series X? Hell no, what I AM certain of is that they wouldn't go all-in on an older architecture. If, for some strange reason they are, it will at least be a rly good reason for it.
PS5 will be RDNA2 with GPU TF comparable to the Series X, but with a much better SSD solution. MS have traditionally just used shelfware without much proprietary changes. Sony are more known for tweaking things to their liking (i.e 8 ACE's on PS4 compared to the One's 2)
Both consoles will be great, but I'm afraid the MS fanboys will taste some salty tears come february...
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bitbydeath
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I guarantee it won't be exactly 1.0 or 2.0 but customized for both Sony and MS. Obviously it's custom on a custom APU that WONT be released for PC and there will be differences that the exact feature(there will be differences) set by addition or subtraction won't be on PC or the other customer..ala MS or Sony. That point shoukd make it easier to see that. I'd place a wager on it. Next gen game of winner's choosing?
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bitbydeath
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Little Chicken
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A Japanese studio partnering with Microsoft for a game that would irritate PlayStation fans?
I can only think of FROM/Dark Souls, really.
I can only think of FROM/Dark Souls, really.
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