Walter Matthau
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Might not see any price drop on the original Switch at this stage if the rumor is true that the Switch 2 will be backwards compatible. They'll want everyone on board the Switch 2 train.
Nintendo demoed Switch 2 to devs at Gamescom | Sources Claim it runs Matrix UE5 Demo With Comparable Graphics to PS5/XSX
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Might not see any price drop on the original Switch at this stage if the rumor is true that the Switch 2 will be backwards compatible. They'll want everyone on board the Switch 2 train.
Trogdor1123
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Wouldn't that make the switch 2 cost a fairly significant chunk of change then?
Kenneth Haight
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I'm in day one for this from what I'm hearing about this thing. Sounds like it will be a significant jump in power from the switch which is nice.
StereoVsn
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They will sell you BOTH new Zelda games at $70 a pop.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Question - and please don't "guess answer" if you're not sure.
Why would Nintendo hold a behind-the-scenes developer "preview" of a system that presumably comes out, at max, 1 year from now?
If it truly does come out in 1 year, developers would've needed access to a development kit (or at least the specs) for several years already. Otherwise how would games be available to launch with the system in late 2024 if Nintendo is just now "previewing" capabilities? The end of the article says development kits are landing in the hands of key partners… just now? A year from launch?
We also already know this wasn't shown to journalists - only developers. Unless I'm missing something, this doesn't line up.
Also keep in mind everyone was wrong about Switch 1, pretty much about everything. Euro gamer also perpetuated the rumors about a Switch Pro for years.
Why would Nintendo hold a behind-the-scenes developer "preview" of a system that presumably comes out, at max, 1 year from now?
If it truly does come out in 1 year, developers would've needed access to a development kit (or at least the specs) for several years already. Otherwise how would games be available to launch with the system in late 2024 if Nintendo is just now "previewing" capabilities? The end of the article says development kits are landing in the hands of key partners… just now? A year from launch?
We also already know this wasn't shown to journalists - only developers. Unless I'm missing something, this doesn't line up.
Also keep in mind everyone was wrong about Switch 1, pretty much about everything. Euro gamer also perpetuated the rumors about a Switch Pro for years.
Horseganador
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Gambit2483
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EverydayBeast
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Is Nintendo actually going to release a new console? I can't wait to see I hope gamers aren't made about it's specs
onnextflix5
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It won't even hit 1.5 tf, with low ram bandwidth but somehow it's gonna run Dlss 3.5 and ue5 tech demos 
, u guys are living in dreamland.
, u guys are living in dreamland.
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I hope nintendo announce the console in next month or two as will be torture seeing also these rubbish leaks for next god knows how many months, worst thing is people will believe all the current rumours, then when nintendo announce there console and it nothing like the leaks people will be shouting off complaining
ThaMonkeyClaw
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I understood the point, but the PS5 (as well as the XSX) are far from noisy is all I was saying. I don't see the Switch 2 being as powerful as the current gen consoles either, it will probably be closer to PS4 specs if I had to guess with a few extra bells and whistles included (DLSS, etc.), just hoping they put some kind of NVMe type storage on their new system!
LiquidMetal14
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I don't think this is some of our first time seeing stuff like this. Especially those of us that have been following this industry for close to 40 years. And it's very easy to take a nugget of something and just make a clickbait article for attention. And that would be great if it could do stuff like that and assuming dlss is as robust as it seems to be I'm not sure if it's out of the question depending on the concessions that were made but people really need to temper their expectations. Yes Nintendo will probably join the ranks of a modern console of maybe last generation in terms of having upscaling technologies but I wouldn't get my hopes up for it also being a high-end machine competitive with the newest consoles with their feature sets. As much as Nintendo Fanboys would want to have that happen, they all need a pretty harsh reality check. And I think there are those fans of Nintendo that have a rational common sense of you on this. The bottom line will always be the games and unfortunate for Nintendo they have been sorely lacking. And no, their own rehashed first party stuff while fun, it just isn't enough for most of us. I have kids though and they do love it.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
The reports here do NOT line up with the tech available and presumably being used in the Switch 2. Under the best case scenario, a Switch 2 could possibly have ~2 tflops at a 15-20W TDP.
I know that tflops aren't going to give us the whole picture, but that's still only 20% of the compute of a PS5. People expecting anywhere close to similar power to a PS5 or XSX are dreaming.
That being said, I have no doubt that a very modified version of even the Matrix demo could run on a modern mobile chipset. However, I'd be interested in finding out what the TDP is, because if Nintendo cranked up an Orin SoC to 50W+ , it could absolutely get similar perceived results to a PS5 with use of DLSS. But since there's no way a Switch 2 would have a TDP higher than 15 or 20W, I don't see why they would do that.
Even with DLSS and significant tweaks and optimizations, I have a very hard time believing the Matrix demo could run decently on an Orin SoC at 20W. It'd be similar to running it on an overclocked Steam Deck. But who knows, maybe Nintendo hired Panic Button to port the Matrix demo lol.
In any case, y'all need to get your expectations in check. There is no physical possibility that a Switch 2 could perform at the level of a PS5 or XSX.
I know that tflops aren't going to give us the whole picture, but that's still only 20% of the compute of a PS5. People expecting anywhere close to similar power to a PS5 or XSX are dreaming.
That being said, I have no doubt that a very modified version of even the Matrix demo could run on a modern mobile chipset. However, I'd be interested in finding out what the TDP is, because if Nintendo cranked up an Orin SoC to 50W+ , it could absolutely get similar perceived results to a PS5 with use of DLSS. But since there's no way a Switch 2 would have a TDP higher than 15 or 20W, I don't see why they would do that.
Even with DLSS and significant tweaks and optimizations, I have a very hard time believing the Matrix demo could run decently on an Orin SoC at 20W. It'd be similar to running it on an overclocked Steam Deck. But who knows, maybe Nintendo hired Panic Button to port the Matrix demo lol.
In any case, y'all need to get your expectations in check. There is no physical possibility that a Switch 2 could perform at the level of a PS5 or XSX.
Walter Matthau
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Likely somewhere in the area of $400 which will put it roughly at the same inflation adjusted price that the Switch launched at. Really depends on if they launch with a single SKU or follow the footsteps of their competitors.
I don't think you'll be seeing many Switch units on shelves after Switch 2 launches. Maybe they keep the Switch Lite around for a little while longer than the others as to not completely abandon the cost sensitive segment of the market similar to how the 2DS and 2DS XL still had reasonable availability a year or two after the Switch launched.
BlackTron
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Are you implying there is a chance Switch is their last system? lol
It'll be a neck-snapping twist going from "graphics don't matter" to "I HAVE THE POWWWAH!" back to "whatever, graphics don't matter". This thing can't come out soon enough.
Exactly.
Trogdor1123
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I guess that would probably be ok. We bought our switch years ago so I'm actually unsure what we paid (I think like 350 cdn) or what they go for now
Stop talking any further i don't want to hear all this
Pokemon's problem is one of developer talent/skill (or lack thereof) not hardware.
BootsLoader
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FP32 discussions intensifies.
Hudo
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To be fair, everyone of the so called "reliable leakers" like NateDrake etc. were droning on and on about the Switch Pro. And then proceeded to gaslight everyone when it turned out to only be a revision with an OLED instead.
So the only lesson here is: Unless it comes straight from Nintendo's mouth, treat everyone as the bullshitters they are.
Virex
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True if big
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Well, there is a difference between a publication speculating based off of manufacturing leaks versus someone saying "I saw this demo run behind closed doors".
I'm insanely skeptical, but the specificity of someone explicitly stating that the Switch 2 was running the Matrix demo gives it more weight than assumption-based speculation.
markusho3k
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Well, If they're partnering with Denuvo then ofc they need to beef up their next machine in order to run their games with such protection.
Bridges
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Nintendo chasing power is something I'd never expect, but it'd be incredible if true.
Imagine a Switch that has day and date support for all major third party releases, it'd be a true force to be reckoned with if the price was right.
Not going to believe any Nintendo rumors until I see it for myself though
Imagine a Switch that has day and date support for all major third party releases, it'd be a true force to be reckoned with if the price was right.
Not going to believe any Nintendo rumors until I see it for myself though
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mystech
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Good question and it's mainly the same reason that Apple gave developers their development tools for Vision Pro less than a year from the projected release of the Vision Pro (and yes I know these are different platforms but the logic is the same). The same could also be said of the rumors that certain 3rd parties just now got their hands on the PS5 pro dev kits when the system is expected to launch next year.
The purpose is to give 3rd party developers a ballpark performance estimate of what the system can handle as a way to entice them to move their CURRENT & PAST projects into the Switch 2. This way we may be able to get some ports and multi-platform releases to help fill the launch lineup (for example: the rumor of FF7 remake running on Switch 2 hardware). Developers do not need several years to enable them to port over existing projects and as someone who has worked on games projects, I can promise you, the amount of time Nintendo has given them is more than enough to get something ready by launch (it's mainly a factor of optimization and then working in whatever new gimmick's Nintendo has).
When it comes to NEW projects, this will also give them a target to shoot for. However, if this meeting really did take place, the purpose would not be for developers to create a brand new Switch 2 exclusive ready for the systems launch. That wouldn't be enough time as you pointed out. However, best believe Nintendo's 1st parties have had access to the Switch 2 specs for years (and probably played a big part in choosing certain aspects of the system performance such as Ram amount) and that's where we will see the Switch 2 exclusive launch titles.
TLDR: The primary purpose for this meeting would be to show off what the new system can do to encourage 3rd parties to port over past projects and include the Switch 2 in their current projects. Less than a year is enough time for that purpose.
Mister Wolf
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All Nintendo has to do is pay Monolith Soft to help them.
amigastar
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I would buy that even if i skipped the Switch but a powerful Switch 2 i would buy.A genuinely powerful Nintendo console.
BlackTron
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Literally impossible before Christmas, and then there needs to be a "buffer zone" so anyone who buys a Switch for the holiday doesn't immediately say "Nintendo tricked me!!" when they reveal it January 7. Expect a reveal mid-year
zeldaring
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The problem is nintendo is gonna tax the fuck out of you for games. if they took more a xbox and playstation approach with sales then it would be amazing.
Tomofdahook17
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Great! So now we'll have a 4K, 60fps, untextured Pokémon game!
I would be so happy if this is true, if despite "Nintendo still wanting to be Nintendo" the leadership recognizes there's little to lose and more to gain from making PS5 and Series X ports feasible, and making PS4-era ports super easy. The licensing revenue should make up for the cost of better hardware. I really don't want another chipset that's two or so years old and then materially downclocked from there, it would be so disappointing.
Knightime_X
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You mean remaster?i was 10 seconds away from posting the thread gg
One Switch 2 demo is a souped up version of Switch launch title Zelda: Breath of the Wild, designed to hit the Switch 2's beefier target specs. (To be clear, though - this is just a tech demo. There's no suggestion the game will be re-released.)
what if a remake will be announced later
BlackTron
Member
Pokemon is still gonna suck unless Nintendo sends their Yakuza headed by one Sakurai type guy to the Game Freak office. Keep playing Pokemon LeafGreen on an emu handheld and buy Nintendo for something else.
BlackTron
Member
Pissers and moaners are already complaining about the lack of power on PS5 and Series X (and begging for pro models), so how is that lack of power going to be excused on Nintendo's hybrid?
You said it yourself. They're pissers and moaners.
Woopah
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Not all developers get dev kits at the sane time. Nintendo will have been talking to their biggest/closest partners about the device way before now.
But that doesn't mean every single studio has a dev kit. This demonstration is to bring more devs into the fold and persuade them to request dev kits, so they can start porting games to the console.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
If it's built around dlss upscaling tech I suppose it's possible. I'm old enough to remember when Nintendo was high tech. I still have my doubts.
Too late.
Fine, I still benefit, got the popcorn ready for all the meltdowns
THE DUCK
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Snes was competitive to the genesis in many ways, and the n64 actually broke 3d ground when it first launched, so not sure what your talking about on those two. GameCube was behind, same with wii u and we all know how that turned out. Wii was only fine due to its motion control gimmic.
Lastly, switch's weak level of performance was only accepted by the market due to the handheld nature of the product and a lack of any real competition in the space.
We may have diminishing returns, but permanently on the Switch 2 is going to matter. Even more so if ms or Sony decide to launch a portable.
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Knightime_X
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ps5 docked, Xbox one undocked
BlackTron
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That's the thing. Top end hardware isn't necessary to run a tech demo that appears very impressive to a passive observer, especially when they are used to Switch 1. They just had to leave behind an 8 year old phone chip.
Going from the X1 to whatever Nvidia has now doable in the $299-399 range will be a massive step up no matter how you look at it. Do you guys realize this tech is literally 8 years apart, and Switch 2 is coming out 3 years after PS5/XSX. Getting in touch with reality goes both ways.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
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Found these comments on reddit rather interesting.