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Nioh Review Thread
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Chaos2Frozen
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Magic is mostly buff and debuff and various utilities. I could go on and on about different elemental affliction.
If you want something more directly offensive, Ninjutsu is the way to go- Kunai, shuriken, bombs, traps, bombs, and more bombs...
I more or less just answered a comment of that flavor in another thread, though in that case it seems like the post was intended as a joke.
And this:
I get that people are hyped and that the gameplay and difficulty are reported to be quite a treat, but I don't get the Demon's Souls references because everyone's just talking about combat and difficulty. What about other aspects of that comparison like world coherence, storytelling, level design, atmosphere... feeling of wonder on discovering how it all works?
Are we just throwing souls around as measurement of how punishing combat is and that there are similar online elements or is there more substance to those comparisons with Demon's Souls?
Are we just throwing souls around as measurement of how punishing combat is and that there are similar online elements or is there more substance to those comparisons with Demon's Souls?
The perfect Dark
Banned
Thanks, but I don't have this dialogue option :/
I don't know why.
It's not easier than Dark Souls.
Even if you've played the souls games. Imagine playing Demon's Souls for the first time. It all feels familiar (almost exactly like the souls games) but you have to start at the bottom. And that's because the combat system is completely different. It's like a souls game with a new (better) combat system. So you know the basics but every encounter is a challenge. It's not like "I've seen this in Souls and Bloodborne so I can beat Nioh".
edit: And yes, the bosses are hard. The first real boss kicked my ass.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
It's as hard as the first time you played a Souls game.
It borrows some gameplay elements, therefore the easiest way to describe it is using a game everyone is familiar with it.
Don't read too much into it. It's not a 'clone', it doesn't aim to become the new Dark Souls.
SonicXtreme
Member
is getting into coop with a friend easy? souls 3 was fairly easy but had those disconnection and difficulties at release. please tell me it's easy and reliable to coop the game with a buddy?
I played the Alpha and was convinced to give it a shot when it comes out anyway, so I know it's not a clone. Just wondering how much can actually be likened to the level of the Souls games beyond combat and difficulty or how other aspects of the game compare in general to games of that ilk, because Souls is not as big as it is for being punishing, but for being very, very well thought through and coherent on how all of its elements come together.
What I want to know is if Nioh, within its own parts and elements, achieves something similar or if I should just look forward to be having a challenging experience in a pretty cool setting.
Coriolanus
Banned
If you tackle them earlier you can probably still just hit revenants near the spawn point until you're decked in very high level gear, at which point level doesn't really matter.
Sure worked in the beta and LCT.
Eolz
Member
I thought it was really cohesive and coherent personally.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Is this more Ninja Gaiden Black or Demon's Souls?
Chaos2Frozen
Member
The short answer is that systems unique to Nioh, makes sense in Nioh.
Take the loot system - Okay so you have diablo/destiny type system, how do you support it? You have a blacksmith that:
- Allows you to increase the levels of the gear you like so you don't have to replace it if you don't want to.
- Allows you to chance the appearance of the gear to the ones you like.
- Allows you to reroll stat bonus to customize your gear
- Allows you to forge said gear with random bonuses
There's definitely a lot of synergy in the game, and a very clear vision of what the game wants to be.
ASilentProtagonist
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Chaos2Frozen
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Are you sure you're not thinking of "The Surge" ?
Let's not get carried away here. Big words wouldn't even begin to describe this statement.
I await next week.
pretty done
Member
Or just replay a Souls game instead of settling for copycat shitware. If you enjoy good games there's no reason to play a Lords of the Fallen.
SonicXtreme
Member
ps4 exclusive
Primethius
Banned
Never say never. But not as of now.
JoeyJungle
Banned
God damn it why did this game have to be good, I can't afford all these games I'm interested in coming out at the same time. Fuck this new "We're actually gonna use the Jan to March release window" trend, this is bullshit.
Half joking, but also only on Chapter 4 of Yakuza 0
The perfect Dark
Banned
But he's right.
Primethius
Banned
He's saying since, not better than. Bloodborne probably won't get touched in a while due to the combination of things it does right.
The perfect Dark
Banned
Btw it's amazing that you can see the stamina bar of your enemies. No cheap deaths because enemies have unlimited stamina (like in the souls games).
Imo it's already better than Bloodborne. Nioh seems to have way more replay value.
Imo it's already better than Bloodborne. Nioh seems to have way more replay value.
There's no way. The implication of that statement is that Nioh is as refined as nothing else since Bloodborne while being the next Demon's Souls, which in turn implies far too many things to not be regarded as hyperbole.
Not doubting Nioh might be great or even amazing, but taking those words seriously would require Nioh to invent a new subgenre of games and at the same time perfecting that.
Those are indeed words too big.
You can play it slow like Demon's Souls, or fast like Ninja Gaiden depending on your weapon and stance. you can even learn Ninjutsu in the game to use shuriken, bombs, spikes, traps ect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS0vGOCTwyg&t=373s
Well, we will all find out soon enough.
Primethius
Banned
While I think it's fair for you to hold that opinion, especially as you are playing the full game, I just don't see it being the case for many who hold BB in high esteem. Some of the reasons that BB is so loved is due to its intricately crafted world, level design and overall atmosphere. And having played the betas for Nioh, I just don't think it'll match, let alone exceed BB, in those regards.
In terms of moment to moment combat, Nioh does have Souls beat easily, and even Bloodborne, having played around 16 hours of the Last Chance trial myself.
But that should not be surprising considering who team ninja are.
They have been perfecting in depth combat mechanics for almost 15 years now. From were never a master of that field, even when they were making direct action combat games like Otogi.
eyeball_kid
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Well, if it's whitewashing then the Japanese devs who made this game decided to do it.
I will say though that the historical William Adams – as far as I can tell – could not fight and didn't participate in any battles. He had the title of samurai, but that seemed to be largely ceremonial. Mostly he was doing merchant stuff.
Soulsborne. There's very little Gaiden DNA in this game; you can't fight in that style unless you are extremely skilled, and even then it's not really what I would call NG combat.
Neoleo2143
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Admittedly, it's closer to Souls overall even at high level play, but there's clear DNA of Ninja Gaiden in Nioh, particularly in the Alpha where it was possible to actually air Juggle enemies at ledges (which was removed later on).
As far as a Core Combat System, Nioh's is handily the strongest of all the Souls-Likes in my opinion, even against Bloodborne due to the incredible level of freedom that the movelist of each weapon type offers addition to weapon swapping on the Fly which is an easy trace back to the Character Action Roots of Team Ninja.
Totally relaxed, just pointing out that's a little much to ask of any game and a little expectation management is never a bad thing ^^
No, this can't be true. If it is then how did he kill all the Yokai?
to be fair, most samurai didn't fight, it was mainly, like you said a ceremonial status
The perfect Dark
Banned
But Bloodborne is just a different souls game?! I don't think Bloodborne invented a new subgenre.
Nioh though....it has a fantastic combat system (way better then Souls or Bloodborne) while borrowing a lot from the Soulsborne games.
Of course it's not a new subgenre ....it's more like the new souls game I wanted since Dark Souls 1. Bloodborne doesn't feel all that different to me. It was just Souls without shields (imo). Nioh is like an enhanced Demon's Souls.
I'm still in the second area so keep that in mind. These are my impressions after 6 hours.
Sure. Next you'll be telling us youkai don't exist!
ASilentProtagonist
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I agree, and I've beaten Nioh. Lots of hyperbole being thrown around by some of the early players here.
The story is god awful, in a funny way at times. The post game story is damn interesting, but I can't say anything about it due to embargo.
Sony is publishing but who knoes.
I'd say its more proof that William Adams killed them all if anything
That is great to hear. I enjoyed the combat as well from what I played and am expecting a lot from the full game in that respect. I also expect very solid mechanics that relate to combat. Really just pointing out that there are far more implications and expectations related to the particular statement of greatest since and new that.
eyeball_kid
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There was Frenchman Eugène Collache who did fight as a samurai, but only as a naval officer.
Not sure where the saltiness of the other responses is coming from; the game makes it seem like the real William Adams was at least skilled in swordfighting, but in reality probably didn't even know how to use one.