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Yea I don't think she is a good counter, her rockets are loud and slow.
And bastion worth half his salt would move away before she even has a chance to kill him, or he'd just kill her since she is so squishy.

Getting bastion to move basically works well enough for a team to do anything. Pharah can peak shot him well, though she is dead if she goes airborne.

I think she's a better counter than the ever popular genji which literally only works if the bastion nonstop fires right into an obvious deflect.

 

[adz2ka]

Is there an official response to creating a game mode where there are no duplicate characters? Would extremely balance the game out

 

[nOoblet16]

Having counters predicated on the idea of not being seen doesn't feel like a solid counter to me. If Bastion sees you, you're going to be chewed up. And If Bastion has a Widowmaker on their team you have to assume as much. Multiple Bastions just makes it even worse.

No it works (because of his critical point at his back)...just not with any of those characters he mentioned.

Reaper, Tracer and Genji can take Bastion with little to no trouble really since they are flankers and all about moving stealthily as their toolkit allows them to do so easily.

Getting bastion to move basically works well enough for a team to do anything. Pharah can peak shot him well, though she is dead if she goes airborne.

I think she's a better counter than the ever popular genji which literally only works if the bastion nonstop fires right into an obvious deflect.

Uh not at all...you are assuming the only way for Genji to kill Bastion is by deflect when most of the time you are only going to use it to finish one off if you haven't killed them already.
Genji is the most mobile character in the game meaning he can get to anywhere without being seen easily and attack Bastion from back. His combo does a burst damage of 200+ in less than a second...if you still haven't killed him for some reason then you can deflect to finish the Bastion off.

Because no matter how good the Bastion player is he will still shoot some bullets at you and eat some damage from deflect before stopping, usually this is enough to kill him if you've already done your combo, or enough to bring him down low enough to kill him usin gthe combo.

 

[Surface of Me]

Having counters predicated on the idea of not being seen doesn't feel like a solid counter to me. If Bastion sees you, you're going to be chewed up. And If Bastion has a Widowmaker on their team you have to assume as much. Multiple Bastions just makes it even worse. Add Reinhardt into the equation and its just fucked.

I've taken out Bastions seeing me as most of the characters I listed off. And you talk about Bastion having teammates like you dont have any yourself. A Soldier 76 with a Mercy behind? Buh Bye Bastion, easily!

 

[Flintty]

Is there an official response to creating a game mode where there are no duplicate characters? Would extremely balance the game out

I'd like to see this happen.

 

[SolidChamp]

My buddy and I are team players and are looking for a solid team to play with on a consistent basis. Getting a little sick of randoms.

We play on Taipei time. Anyone looking for two more regulars. I like maining support like Mercy or Lucio, but we both switch it up according to what the occasion calls for.

PS4. PSN IDs: SolidChamp and/or Anjin49

 

[Xater]

No it works (because of his critical point at his back)...just not with any of those characters he mentioned.

Reaper, Tracer and Genji can take Bastion with little to no trouble really since they are flankers and all about moving stealthily as their toolkit allows them to do so easily.

Not to mention Genji's deflection ability.

 

[LiK]

Yea I don't think she is a good counter, her rockets are loud and slow.
And bastion worth half his salt would move away before she even has a chance to kill him, or he'd just kill her since she is so squishy.

Getting bastion to move basically works well enough for a team to do anything. Pharah can peak shot him well, though she is dead if she goes airborne.

I think she's a better counter than the ever popular genji which literally only works if the bastion nonstop fires right into an obvious deflect.

Disagree with you guys. Pharah is a great counter for Bastion airborne. But she is my most played character so maybe I just do good with her against him.

 

[The Yo Tornado]

whydopeopleneverpushthepayload

There's literally a marker on your screen at all times saying escort. Why would you spend the first three minutes of a round having a shoot-out outside of the spawn? ;-;

 

[Deleted member 325805]

But you get the advantage of fewer enemies at objectives and less resistance due to a sniper in your team who is doing their job.

I would like an invitation to this alternate reality where snipers actually get kills and aren't an absolute hindrance to the team. It's extremely rare that either side have a competent sniper from my experience, trying to attack with a Hanzo and Widowmaker on your team is almost pointless because they seem to attract players who are allergic to playing the objective.

 

[Papercuts]

Disagree with you guys. Pharah is a great counter for Bastion airborne. But she is my most played character so maybe I just do good with her against him.

I play her a lot too and would rarely ever do that personally. But I do pick her against any turret class anyway and do well.

 

[Surface of Me]

whydopeopleneverpushthepayload

There's literally a marker on your screen at all times saying escort. Why would you spend the first three minutes of a round having a shoot-out outside of the spawn? ;-;

At one point tonight as a Widowmaker I had to stand on the payload, because all my other teammates were playing TDM near the enemie's spawn instead of pushing it.

 

[LiK]

I play her a lot too and would rarely ever do that personally. But I do pick her against any turret class anyway and do well.

I loathe Torbjorn's turrets tho. That auto aim destroys my Pharah.

 

[TatteredHat]

For Soldier lead in with a grenade launch and follow up with burst fire. Normally can kill a Bastion before he can heal himself, put down a healing field near you if you need it. Reinhardt, get close with the shield, then use the charge to kill the Bastion. Both are strats I use regularly.

What do you mean get close with the shield, Bastion shreds Rein's shield in about 3 seconds and you can't charge him unless he's dumb enough to be on the same elevation as you.

 

[m4st4]

I loathe Torbjorn's turrets tho. That auto aim destroys my Pharah.

Hate them more than Bastion. Wrecking. Not to mention after MOLTEN COOOOORE!

 

[buy teh haloz]

Disagree with you guys. Pharah is a great counter for Bastion airborne. But she is my most played character so maybe I just do good with her against him.

I find her pretty good against Bastion.

 

[chrominance]

Disagree with you guys. Pharah is a great counter for Bastion airborne. But she is my most played character so maybe I just do good with her against him.

I think Pharah's a great counter for Bastion but you're simply too exposed airborne against a Bastion paying any attention to their surroundings. Peeking from cover is so much more reliable and safe that I would never fire from the air unless I had no choice or I didn't know a Bastion was there in the first place. Against Torbjorn turrets you're 100% toast if you're airborne.

 

[NullPointer]

I've taken out Bastions seeing me as most of the characters I listed off.

I've taken out everybody with everybody, but some things are just a lot more difficult to pull off than others. Genji being a counter to Bastion makes sense - he has a move that can kill a Bastion in seconds while protecting himself from the hail of bullets coming his way. But the other counters require not being seen, unless you're crazy ninja or have a Bastion on sleeping pills. Just doesn't feel balanced.

I mean, Tracer is meant to take out your back line and flank, but she's given the tools to fight you even when you're aware of her. Being in close range with a Reaper is going to be painful regardless of whether you know he's there or not. Bastion's counters mostly rely upon him not being the wiser, and that seems off.

And that's just a single Bastion. Now throw in some auto-turrets, or another one or two Bastions, and maybe a Reinhardt, and you're in silly territory.

 

[The Yo Tornado]

At one point tonight as a Widowmaker I had to stand on the payload, because all my other teammates were playing TDM near the enemie's spawn instead of pushing it.

75% of the time I have to roll Reinhardt and try to push the payload the entire game by myself because the rest of my team can't be bothered to give a single shit about winning the round. They just want that sick k/d.

 

[Surface of Me]

What do you mean get close with the shield, Bastion shreds Rein's shield in about 3 seconds and you can't charge him unless he's dumb enough to be on the same elevation as you.

On X1 the shield lasts a lot longer that that. You dont even need to be too close, cause you can take a lot of hits anyways. Most Bastions Ive fought are that dumb. Seems to be a favorite of noobies.

 

[saskuatch]

Lucky Americans get to play all day today, here I am at work with not another long weekend to be seen till July.

 

[MattDoza]

I really dislike that Mei can freeze heal out of Junkrat's bear trap.

 

[Hasney]

Lucky Americans get to play all day today, here I am at work with not another long weekend to be seen till July.

Bank holiday in the UK too.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Man, I don't know about Pharah being a good counter to Bastion, her rockets are so loud, I use to lose a good chunk of hp when I go against him(2 rockets+concussive blast), no matter how far away I am.

Huh? You can damage bastion at a range he can only tickle you. And you can peak fire and take him out in 3 shots and barely take damage yourself. You can even do that with your hovering using ledges to basically the same thing midair. Concussive blast? That's wrong. Just use primary fire.

I really dislike that Mei can freeze heal out of Junkrat's bear trap.

So junkrat's trap shouldn't have a counter? Huh?

 

[nOoblet16]

Disagree with you guys. Pharah is a great counter for Bastion airborne. But she is my most played character so maybe I just do good with her against him.

What bog standard Bastions are you playing against where you can fire at them while being airborne?

I would like an invitation to this alternate reality where snipers actually get kills and aren't an absolute hindrance to the team. It's extremely rare that either side have a competent sniper from my experience, trying to attack with a Hanzo and Widowmaker on your team is almost pointless because they seem to attract players who are allergic to playing the objective.

What level are you? And what platform do you play on?

 

[Rizzi]

I got play of the game as Bastion earlier because people kept running straight at me.
It felt dirty..

 

[saskuatch]

Bank holiday in the UK too.

Lucky......

 

[LiK]

What bog standard Bastions are you playing against where you can fire at them while being airborne?

Who knows, but I have no issues taking them out 1v1 that way. it's especially good if you fly very high above them. I also like to do that when other teammates are around and Bastions are distracted and need to take out guys on the ground before looking for me.

 

[MattDoza]

Huh?! I was skirmishing and the lobby filled up and put me into a game that was ending. How!?

 

[Flintty]

I really dislike that Mei can freeze heal out of Junkrat's bear trap.

I never knew that. It's a good counter, the bear trap shouldn't have to work every time on every character. Same with any ability really.

E.g. One counter I hate (by understand why it's there) is Roadhog pulling me out of my shoulder charge as Reinhardt. So damn frustrating!!!

 

[Surface of Me]

I've taken out everybody with everybody, but some things are just a lot more difficult to pull off than others. Genji being a counter to Bastion makes sense - he has a move that can kill a Bastion in seconds while protecting himself from the hail of bullets coming his way. But the other counters require not being seen, unless you're crazy ninja or have a Bastion on sleeping pills. Just doesn't feel balanced.

I mean, Tracer is meant to take out your back line and flank, but she's given the tools to fight you even when you're aware of her. Being in close range with a Reaper is going to be painful regardless of whether you know he's there or not. Bastion's counters mostly rely upon him not being the wiser, and that seems off.

And that's just a single Bastion. Now throw in some auto-turrets, or another one or two Bastions, and maybe a Reinhardt, and you're in silly territory.

I was replying specifically to countering a Bastion turret, not countering a Bastion turret while talking about ever possibility of other enemies. And yes, you can beat everyone with everyone. Though, the characters I listed are the go to's to down a Bastion turret and the ones I've had continuous success at doing so.

 

[MUnited83]

I really dislike that Mei can freeze heal out of Junkrat's bear trap.

On the other hand , you can use the bear trap to trap a Mei after she finishes a freeze heal, si it evens out.

 

[Xater]

I've taken out everybody with everybody, but some things are just a lot more difficult to pull off than others. Genji being a counter to Bastion makes sense - he has a move that can kill a Bastion in seconds while protecting himself from the hail of bullets coming his way. But the other counters require not being seen, unless you're crazy ninja or have a Bastion on sleeping pills. Just doesn't feel balanced.

I mean, Tracer is meant to take out your back line and flank, but she's given the tools to fight you even when you're aware of her. Being in close range with a Reaper is going to be painful regardless of whether you know he's there or not. Bastion's counters mostly rely upon him not being the wiser, and that seems off.

And that's just a single Bastion. Now throw in some auto-turrets, or another one or two Bastions, and maybe a Reinhardt, and you're in silly territory.

On the level I am at I rarely see a Bastion that's a huge threat. Play quality changes dramatically at 30+ on PS4. That there are still people like you that think Badtion is so OP just seems silly to me.

 

[Deleted member 325805]

What level are you? And what platform do you play on?

31, PC. It's a rare treat that you get a sniper on your team who wouldn't be better off playing anything else. As I said, from my time with the game the overwhelming majority of snipers don't play the objective and couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.

 

[LiQuid!]

the only adjustment id like to see is Winstons bubble barrier get a buff . It's way too weak

It was stronger. It was nerfed a bit late in the closed beta. The way it was before (it had pretty drastically more HP before breaking but I don't know exact numbers) it made stacking Winstons on a team way WAY too impenetrable. You think you want the shield to get buffed, but trust me, you don't want the shield to get buffed.

Same with Zarya's shields. They cut their duration in half IIRC (or by a substantial amount of seconds if I'm incorrect). The way they were before 2 Zaryas on a team was nearly impossible to kill because they would just stack shields on each other forever.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

Here you go

*rewinds away*

Awesome, thanks!

Old soldiers never die, and they don't fade away. They become cute.

 

[nOoblet16]

I feel like Bastion complaints only exist now in low level plays because he can get taken out easily without proper support in games with high level players.

At times you will indeed come across some fantastic teamwork and setup where a Bastion manages to get plenty of support and hold off a point while constantly being a pain to kill because of how aware the Bastion player is. But because it's Bastion people will scream "OP" asap.

The thing to remember here is that when something like that happens it's because the entire or atleast most of the enemy team is dedicated to this one strategy, as such it's not possible to except to be able to individually counter this. It's not that bastion was OP in that situation, it's instead that they just outplayed you and your team and you just have to accept that at times and not be salty about it.

 

[NullPointer]

On the level I am at I rarely see a Bastion that's a huge threat. Play quality changes dramatically at 30+ on PS4. That there are still people like you that think Badtion is so OP just seems silly to me.

I believe you and hear this a lot.

So, take the example I keep running into: two Torbjörn turrets and a Bastion, with either a Widowmaker or Reinhardt and maybe even a second Bastion in that mix. I run into this a lot, and I haven't had consistent success using anything. Any tips?

 

[Deleted member 325805]

I feel like Bastion complaints only exist now in low level plays.

At times you will indeed come across some fantastic teamwork and setup where a Bastion manages to get plenty of support and hold off a point while constantly being a pain to kill because of how aware the bastion player is. But because it's a Bastion people will scream "OP" asap.

The thing to remember here is that when something like that happens it's because the entire or atleast most of the enemy team is dedicated to this one strategy, as such it's not possible to except to be able to individually counter this. It's not that bastion was OP in that situation, it's instead that they just outplayed you and your team.

I've already seen the Bastion usage drop noticeably the past couple of days, people are already learning he's not OP and pretty damn boring to play.

 

[Novum_Veritas]

I've already seen the Bastion usage drop noticeably the past couple of days, people are already learning he's not OP and pretty damn boring to play.

I tried Bastion, and I am not interested playing with him any further tbh.

 

[Hex]

Never gets old

And that kids is what you call a money shot

 

[chrominance]

Who knows, but I have no issues taking them out 1v1 that way. it's especially good if you fly very high above them. I also like to do that when other teammates are around and Bastions are distracted and need to take out guys on the ground before looking for me.

I could maybe see this working if you're right above them (not even sure if Bastions can look straight up, but they sure as hell never expect to). Seems a bit tougher to pull off, though, since you need to boost jump and hover, and get three or four rockets off in that time. If you're good enough to do that, though, more power to you. Maybe I'm just too trigger-happy and Bastions track me on the way up because they already know I'm there.

 

[LiK]

I've already seen the Bastion usage drop noticeably the past couple of days, people are already learning he's not OP and pretty damn boring to play.

Yea, same here.

I could maybe see this working if you're right above them (not even sure if Bastions can look straight up, but they sure as hell never expect to). Seems a bit tougher to pull off, though, since you need to boost jump and hover, and get three or four rockets off in that time. If you're good enough to do that, though, more power to you. Maybe I'm just too trigger-happy and Bastions track me on the way up because they already know I'm there.

4 direct hits usually does the job but if I don't kill him in the first boost. I retreat and wait for the boost to cool down and do it again. Usually I try to get back in before he heals himself completely. Of course, this only works in maps where I have space to work around. Hanamura doesn't work for me cuz Bastions like to hide in corners and in buildings.

 

[Mobius and pet octopus]

I believe you and hear this a lot.

So, take the example I keep running into: two Torbjörn turrets and a Bastion, with either a Widowmaker or Reinhardt and maybe even a second Bastion in that mix. I run into this a lot, and I haven't had consistent success using anything. Any tips?

My personal favorite is pharah. 3 shots to take down a turret or bastion. Just spam those shots from any range. Peek from corners if you have to. Wait for them to be distracted if you must. Hide behind a reinhardt shield and hope to take it out before the shield drops. Fly and use cover in the air to peek shot.

And ideally you're not the only person taking shots if possible.

 

[Copenap]

I feel like Bastion complaints only exist now in low level plays because he can get taken out easily without proper support in games with high level players.

At times you will indeed come across some fantastic teamwork and setup where a Bastion manages to get plenty of support and hold off a point while constantly being a pain to kill because of how aware the Bastion player is. But because it's Bastion people will scream "OP" asap.

The thing to remember here is that when something like that happens it's because the entire or atleast most of the enemy team is dedicated to this one strategy, as such it's not possible to except to be able to individually counter this. It's not that bastion was OP in that situation, it's instead that they just outplayed you and your team and you just have to accept that at times and not be salty about it.

Just one remark, not all complaints are about a character being OP, oftentimes people are just expressing that playing against a certain character/play style is not fun in their opinion.

 

[nOoblet16]

31, PC. It's a rare treat that you get a sniper on your team who wouldn't be better off playing anything else. As I said, from my time with the game the overwhelming majority of snipers don't play the objective and couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.

Well I don't really know.
I don't see snipers that much either but whenever there is one it's usually someone taking out a good chunk of the other team.

 

[NullPointer]

My personal favorite is pharah. 3 shots to take down a turret or bastion. Just spam those shots from any range. Peek from corners if you have to. Wait for them to be distracted if you must. Hide behind a reinhardt shield and hope to take it out before the shield drops. Fly and use cover in the air to peek shot.

And ideally you're not the only person taking shots if possible.

The rub here is that Torbjörn's turrets, in the same general area as the Bastion, will aimbot Pharah if she's in range - thats if the Bastion doesn't see her first. And if there's a Widowmaker they might see her coming via infra-red, and if there is a Reinhardt those shots will be absorbed.

I can deal with a single Bastion fine, or a single Torbjörn turret fine, its when there are banks of the suckers, with simple support that things get very hairy. Its easy for a defense to set them up even as individuals, but its a slog to try and cut through them, even as a team. At least thats been my experience so far.

 

[Flintty]

What do you do when you are Reinhardt, low health with no healer and the opposing Reinhardt is pushing forward at the payload with support? You could fall back and wait for more support, but that would be too sensible. I chose this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqw9sLnCpmA

 

[JumPeRJumPzZ]

Is there an official response to creating a game mode where there are no duplicate characters? Would extremely balance the game out

Would love something like this.

Because shit like this is getting out of Hand...

 

[kromeo]

I'm loving the game at the moment but I wish the objectives were a bit more varied, there only seem to be 2 game types and they're pretty much the same