Roman Empire
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Players expecting every game releasing to be 60fps are bound to be disappointed when they discover the bottleneck is the CPU.
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People seem to forget that the Pro is premium product
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Topher
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I don't think they could release it at $499, but $599? Certainly. That's what I was expecting and ready to buy.
existensmaximum
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Yes the only thing missing is premium games.
HeisenbergFX4
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I would have traded that extra 1TB for a disc drive and stand instantly if given the choice
DaleinCalgary
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Correct, if it's too expensive for you that is fine as the ps5 is still fantastic. You don't need to buy an Audi either.
I agree to the above statement.
I agree to the above statement.
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Gaiff
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Was thinking of the original DE model that I think now is discontinued?
PeteBull
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asdasdasdbb
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Again, for the thousandth time, the US price doesn't include sales tax or anything comparable to a VAT.
EU is getting shafted a little bit but it's not as much as people think it is.
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Eszti
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just wrong we already have cpu limited cases and a 300mhz boost will change absolutely nothing. watch the most recent case space marine 2 it drops below 40 fps. thats a huge delta from its 60 fps target. the pro will drop too just in a fancier resolution. zen 2 latency is way to high for modern games.
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Xaeroxcore666
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It´s always amuzing watching people making mental gymnastic to defend this kind of stuff.
Reizo Ryuu
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Do you have blinders on? Do other regions not exist in your reality? The ps5d is 450€ currently, the ps5p will be 800€, so indeed "almost double" the price as the person you replied to said and straight up double when looking at launch prices.
Topher
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As would I, but Sony knows the markup on that 1 TB is substantially better than the disc drive.
I'd take the disc drive. Would have been nice to have had a choice.
Eszti
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good joke 1.8 tflops to over 4 tflops vs 10 tflops to at best 18 tflops and lets not pretend its linear more performance but the pro was over 2 times as fast this one is not even half as fast
totally the same
omegasc
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maybe they didn't want to have one number lower than the new Series X SKU
HeisenbergFX4
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More money in their pocket as they know people will now buy their drives and stands
intheinbetween
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Premium product with standard controller and the lack lack of disc drive and a cheap stand the launch day PS5 disc version included, so yes, some sort of premium product.
I'm wondering if they will the break the bank including a 8k HDMI cable
I'm wondering if they will the break the bank including a 8k HDMI cable
omegasc
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I think it's more fair to compare it with the Slim, for the updated costs and components.
asdasdasdbb
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Plus the original Slim was decently subsidized.
KloetenQuetsche
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People seem to forget that not everything labeled with pro/best/Premium and so on is always worth the price.
In the end there are graphic enhancements, but for 800 i want to see a real difference and not just an update.
In the end there are graphic enhancements, but for 800 i want to see a real difference and not just an update.
Audiophile
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The price difference is $300. The actual additional cost to make it vs the base unit and recoup costs is probably less than half that. They could've charged an extra $200 instead and and still made a tidy extra profit on the Pro units while addressing a wider market. Instead they went full on greedy and have likely shaved a few million sales off and soured the brand image.
It's less to do with whether it's premium or not but the extreme they've gone to in price difference as well as misreading the room on various aspects. There's nothing here in terms of costs that really warrants the markup we're seeing. They have every right of course to mark things up as much as they want to make extra profit, but this isn't just a bump, it's a complete departure.
It's less to do with whether it's premium or not but the extreme they've gone to in price difference as well as misreading the room on various aspects. There's nothing here in terms of costs that really warrants the markup we're seeing. They have every right of course to mark things up as much as they want to make extra profit, but this isn't just a bump, it's a complete departure.
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CoreyFlawless
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Stop justifying this. If you do, they just gonna keep doing it and make it worst. Hopefully it fails hard. Don’t get me wrong, first month it gonna sell. All your content creators gonna buy it and blah blah.
Mr.Phoenix
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So I should also read people's minds? Did the person I responded to specify?
Preseznik
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My point is that the PS5 Pro is nowhere near the performance uplift the price increase wants to suggest.
I'm not sure if you're trying to disagree here or what.
FeralEcho
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How could you name all those things and forgot to mention the Lambo you also bought?
Just because you like to spend your money on overpriced crap doesn't mean that it's justifyiable for crap to be overpriced in the first place.
Not that hard to get.
Reizo Ryuu
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Who gives a shit.
You could've just responded with "yes in some regions it's almost double the price, and that's terrible, but in my region it's not that bad"
Instead you decided to ignore other regions because it didn't fit your response to dunk on the poster otherwise.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
This will have a 3 year life span, and as you said technology moves on.
It's ain't a premium product, it's an half step update.
If this was the PS6 with a generational leap over the PS5 people my react differently, but the lack Disc Drive is still a problem.
And before the Digital Loyalist chime in, regardless of what released reports say we know the disc edition of the fat sold more and the Slim sold more then the Slim Digital Edition.
And Sony's own games sell double to triple the amount physically.
Sony is misreading the market yet again.
HeisenbergFX4
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Most "premium" products are in fact not worth the price but again thats all subjective on what people can and are will to pay
DeltaPolarBear
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I don't know where you came from to think that being premium means the same as being a bargain. if you think you are being financially prudent you are not buying a premium product.
It doesn't matter what you are willing to pay for, what matter is why they are willing to SELL for. Premium means they have the incentive to overcharge, because at the very least it makes PS5 look cheaper. As far as Sony is concerned there is no down side.
Remember, there is actually no real financial benefit from Sony for most people to buy a Pro; because a Pro owner would pay the same price for games as people buying the ordinary PS5. Your purchase of a Pro does NOT significantly improve PlayStation's profitability. Sony just gives you the option, but they have no reason to convince anyone to upgrade. You literally need to be someone with money to burn.
PCs have no guarantees period. i have no idea why you think PCs is where you get Guarantees, where is the magical guarantees coming from for PC gamers?
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FeralEcho
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Celcius
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I agree with you OP, everyone's salty and have forgotten what things cost these days.
The base PS5 is $500.
An extra $200 gets you a significantly better gpu, PSSR, WiFi 7, an extra terabyte of storage, faster RAM, and beefier cooling.
There's no way the PS5 pro was going to be the same price as the base PS5 and then have the base PS5 price lowered like they did with ps4 pro. In fact, they've raised the price of the base PS5 in most territories. This is what things cost these days. People don't seem to realize that it's optional.
The base PS5 is $500.
An extra $200 gets you a significantly better gpu, PSSR, WiFi 7, an extra terabyte of storage, faster RAM, and beefier cooling.
There's no way the PS5 pro was going to be the same price as the base PS5 and then have the base PS5 price lowered like they did with ps4 pro. In fact, they've raised the price of the base PS5 in most territories. This is what things cost these days. People don't seem to realize that it's optional.
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lughnasadh123
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It's fair and accurate to call it that, but personally it's disappointing that they didn't lower the base price and bring the Pro down a bit. Seems the better strategy to fight lagging sales is to push a discount rather than seeing how much your base will put up with price gouging. There was an instant ripple of ridicule immediately after launch pissing away even more good will (Sony and MS are doing a great job of that this gen) that better represent that more hardcore gamers that buy shit like this. PS+ increase, $70 games, $500 VR2, $700 pro console, AND no permanent price cuts? Fuck off.
edit: forgot the damn Dualsense increase too.
edit: forgot the damn Dualsense increase too.
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proandrad
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Isn’t this the case for every consumer electronic item?
Reizo Ryuu
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Fabieter
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hinch7
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Digital PS5 is $399, regular $500.
$300 difference and another $30 for the stand.
Granted it has a larger APU and needs a bit extra cooling I don't see where that $300 comes from. The BOM cost maybe would've gotten about $100 more than base PS5.
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HeisenbergFX4
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You're not ever getting any sort of guarantee
Best you will get is this being the best place to play console games for the time being
Celcius
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wifi 7 isn't cheap, just compare the price of wifi7 routers vs wifi 6 routers for example
the extra storage costs more, the faster ram costs more, the R&D, etc...
The extra performance is premium, y'all are just salty that better things cost more
and I say this as someone who doesn't even plan to buy one because I know it's optional
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PeteBull
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And yet at ps4 launch we got :
ps4pr0:
ps5 launch price:
and yet ps5pr0 price is so bad for us in europe despite
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Topher
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More I think about this, I just disagree that this is a premium product. What this is, in my mind, is an unsubsidized product. Consoles have been sold at cost or a loss for so long that the sticker shock of a product sold for profit is hard to take. This is what happens when a corporation has no competition.
SkylineRKR
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The problem with the Pro is that its a PS5 Digital edition. Which Sony offers from 449.
Another problem is Europe, where the base PS5 versions have an 1:1 price with the US, so 449 for the DE as well. Yet the Pro is a whopping 799 over here.
Had they included a disc drive and stand, it would've been a truly premium product and I think the 699 price was kind of justified.
Another problem is Europe, where the base PS5 versions have an 1:1 price with the US, so 449 for the DE as well. Yet the Pro is a whopping 799 over here.
Had they included a disc drive and stand, it would've been a truly premium product and I think the 699 price was kind of justified.
Interfectum
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Sony's biggest problem with the PS5 Pro is how they're marketing it. They're asking $699 for a console, but focusing on how much better PS4 games will look on it—missing the mark completely. Here's how I would approach it: showcase three demos of graphically demanding games like Cyberpunk 2077—one running on a standard PS5, one on a $3,000 gaming PC, and one on the PS5 Pro. Invite the press to experience all three firsthand and report back on the differences. Repeat this with other titles that struggle on the current PS5 but run smoothly on high-end PCs with 4090 GPUs. This would position the PS5 Pro as a legitimate competitor to high-end gaming PCs, rather than just a console that can play PS4 games at higher frame rates.
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Fabieter
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Do most people even own wifi7 routers. I would argue being able to play disc is more important for people than a new standard most people don't use yet.
Rayderism
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I figure the exorbitant price is mostly to help cover money lost on Concord, and probably the likely failure of Fairgames.
Do I want a PS5 Pro? At the price they're asking, and with no disk drive, it's a pretty hard sell. I never was one to fuss over framerates, so that means little to me. Now the better ray-tracing is very welcome, but is that really enough to warrant putting out $700 on a console that's only going to be relevant for about 3 years? And PSSR....yay, now I can see the ugly women even more clearly.
I don't know man. Just seems like arrogant Sony is back in spades, and they're in full money-grubbing greed mode this time.
Do I want a PS5 Pro? At the price they're asking, and with no disk drive, it's a pretty hard sell. I never was one to fuss over framerates, so that means little to me. Now the better ray-tracing is very welcome, but is that really enough to warrant putting out $700 on a console that's only going to be relevant for about 3 years? And PSSR....yay, now I can see the ugly women even more clearly.
I don't know man. Just seems like arrogant Sony is back in spades, and they're in full money-grubbing greed mode this time.
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